Posted on 06/14/2008 11:41:26 AM PDT by Ron Jeremy
You really haven't been paying attention to these posts to you. Didn't I post a couple of days to you that it was most likely that it was a wooden core with gold leaf? Last I checked on it - wood tends to burn.
powder
From the hebrew word in the passage - daqaq - which means to to crush, pulverise, thresh. Doesn't necessarly equate to modern use of the word - powder doe it.
How did Moses write about his own death and events that followed?
I know of no bible scholar who supports Mosaic authorship of the pentatuch going as far as claiming that Moses wrote about his own death and the events immedately thereafter. That someone else finished the account does not detract from Moses writing (or redacting) the rest of it.
Why doesn’t it bother you that Egyptian records don’t indicate a slave population, much less one that brought the kingdom to its knees?
Records show that Egyptians used slaves. Do Egyptian records honor their other losses? Generally, they only document their victories.
And then force them to drink it since gold is not water soluble?
Where does it say in the passage that the gold was disolved in the water? It only states that it was cast upon the water. You should perhaps read the passage rather than rely upon someone else's skeptic arguements.
Why does it bother you that the biblical account is almost certainly wrong? What difference does it make in the overall scheme of things?
You have yet to show anyone that the account is certainly wrong. You have been provided documented knowledge of the methods of metal working of that era - yes, even the ability to melt gold. Among the slaves were craftsmen who were taught how to decorate the Egyptian temples with gold leaf - the only practical way because gold is too soft for structural uses.
Psalms 18:34
He teacheth my hands to war, so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms.
Job 20:24
He shall flee from the iron weapon, and the bow of steel shall strike him through.
Jeremiah 15:12
Shall iron break the northern iron and the steel?
2 Samuel 22:35
He teacheth my hands to war; so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms.
Gen. 4: 22 every artificer in brass and iron.
Deut. 8: 9 land whose stones are iron.
Deut. 27: 5 thou shalt not lift up any iron tool.
Josh. 8: 31 altar . . . over which no man hath lift up any iron.
2 Kgs. 6: 6 iron did swim.
Ps. 2: 9 break them with a rod of iron.
Prov. 27: 17 Iron sharpeneth iron.
Eccl. 10: 10 If the iron be blunt.
Isa. 60: 17 for iron I will bring silver.
Jer. 1: 18 have made thee this day . . . an iron pillar.
Jer. 17: 1 sin of Judah is written with a pen of iron.
Jer. 28: 13 shalt make for them yokes of iron.
Ezek. 4: 3 iron pan, and set it for a wall of iron.
Dan. 2: 33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron.
Dan. 2: 41 be in it of the strength of the iron.
Dan. 7: 7 it had great iron teeth.
Ex. 30: 18 (Ex. 38: 8) Thou shalt also make a laver of brass.
Deut. 8: 9 out of whose hills thou mayest dig brass.
Deut. 28: 23 heaven . . . shall be brass.
1 Chr. 15: 19 appointed to sound with cymbals of brass.
Isa. 60: 17 for brass I will bring gold.
Dan. 2: 32 his belly and his thighs of brass.
Dan. 2: 39 another third kingdom of brass.
Micah 4: 13 make thine horn iron, and . . . thy hoofs brass.
Nice straw man argument. Nobody discredited ancient metallurgy. We discredits such extensive metallurgy by a people who had absolutley no ability to do what is claimed.
You don’t know what their ability was or not.
As far as extensive, the ancient mining of copper in the Michigan region was enormous, and estimates, based on the pit mining there have 1.5 BILLION pounds of copper being taken from the area, yes, that’s right, 1.5 BILLION!
http://www.exploringthenorth.com/cophistory/cophist.html
I know that boats with HOLES in the bottom tend to leak!
Considering the holes the brother of Jared was told to put in the barges were airtight, we can also assume they were watertight.
Ether 2:20
And the Lord said unto the brother of Jared: Behold, thou shalt make a hole in the top, and also in the bottom; and when thou shalt suffer for air thou shalt unstop the hole and receive air. And if it be so that the water come in upon thee, behold, ye shall stop the hole, that ye may not perish in the flood.
As it is, I am leaving FR for a week, traveling to Southern Utah on a long shoot with very limited access time wise.
Have fun all, the sandbox is all yours.
So you think they travelled thousands of miles to get copper? You think they were making steel and brass just a few years after living here? I can see this wont go anywhere sine you are unwilling to use the capacity to reason that God gave you.
**1.5 BILLION pounds of copper being taken from the area, yes, that’s right, 1.5 BILLION!***
So, why is it that our metal detectors do not get set off by all this ancient metal. Where did it go. Everything I have found is tracable to the modern age.
You’re making up the part about the wood. It’s not there in the text.
If you’re justified in using poetic license regarding biblical text, please don’t get heartburn if anyone else does elsewhere.
I've already looked at the definition of the words involved and showed you that it wasn't solid, it explains how it could be 'burned', is not denied by the text and use of gold leaf is / was a common practice for the era. Nor does the passage say it was solid gold, cast gold or otherwise. It just states they melted down gold earrings to make it.
If you’re justified in using poetic license regarding biblical text, please don’t get heartburn if anyone else does elsewhere.
Poetic license - the freedom to depart from the facts of a matter or from the conventional rules of language when speaking or writing in order to create an effect. As explained above, I did not depart from the facts of the matter, or from conventional rules of language. Inability on your part to understand biblical fundamentals is no excuse for lame repetition of already answered bleats.
You didn’t show me that the calf wasn’t solid. That’s your rationalization for the indefensible.
I’m convinced you’re wrong, and you’re just as convinced that I am, so I don’t know where we go from here. I don’t think anywhere.
This whole matter is obviously far more important to you than it is to me, so if it’s important to you to declare yourself the winner, have at it. Hand me a slice of golden calf which I will use to wipe away my tears.
You didn't show me that it was - so here is your 15 seconds, expostulate from the scripture how the idol was constructed, lexiconal breakdown and definitions of key words, near and full context of the passage and associated verses - the works. Then we can talk about my indefensible rational.
I’m convinced you’re wrong, and you’re just as convinced that I am, so I don’t know where we go from here. I don’t think anywhere.
I have given you a method above. You parked your tookus here and claimed to know all there is about the passage, time to show if that knowledge is real.
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