Anglican Acceptance of both Abortion and Life will Allow the Creation of a Gay Church: Gene Robinson

LifeSiteNews ^ | 5/16/08 | Hilary White

[wagglebee]

LONDON, May 16, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Anglican Church is the perfect vehicle for creating a new “gay” Christianity by virtue of the fact that it is the only church that accepts the logical contradiction of asserting both the sanctity of human life and the existence of a right to abortion.

Episcopal bishop Gene Robinson, whose ordination to the episcopate has precipitated the ongoing schism between traditionally Christian Anglicans and its ultra-liberal, secularized branches, is in London to talk about his vision for the homosexual future of the Anglican Church. He was visiting and promoting his cause in preparation for the upcoming Lambeth Conference in July.

He told an admiring audience in Putney, in southwest London, that Anglicanism is uniquely suited to the establishment of the contradiction of homosexual Christianity. “The Anglican tradition is uniquely capable of holding two seemingly contradictory ideas together. Its position on abortion, for example is that all human life is sacred. And, that no one has the right to tell a woman what to do with her body. Both are true,” he said.

The logical principle of non-contradiction, a basic philosophical concept identified by Aristotle, is defined as the idea that two opposed things cannot both be true. Aristotle put it that, “One cannot say of something that it is and that it is not in the same respect and at the same time.” It is not possible, for example, for a person to both be in a room and not in a room at the same time. This principle is regarded by philosophers as one of the three first principles of rational thought, without which no assertion of any truth is possible.

Many Christian philosophers have noted that the moral chaos in western societies has stemmed from the 20th century’s abandonment of this principle as the guiding force of politics and religion.

Robinson is a long-time supporter of abortion. In 2005, he addressed Planned Parenthood's fifth annual prayer breakfast in Washington. He said then that the only way to defend the pro-abortion mindset is to reach out religiously, saying, “Our defense against religious people has to be a religious defense. ... We must use people of faith to counter the faith-based arguments against us.”

He told Planned Parenthood, “We have to take back those Scriptures.”

He spoke of “the need to teach people about nuance, about holding things in tension, that this can be true and that can be true, and somewhere between is the right answer. It's a very adult way of living, you know. What an unimaginative God it would be if God only put one meaning in any verse of Scripture."

In his talk in London and in a later interview with the Spectator’s Theo Hobson, Robinson laid out the precepts of gay Christianity in which homosexuals, as an oppressed minority, are more capable of Christian charity than heterosexuals.

To lend biblical credence to his assertions, Robinson cited a passage in John’s Gospel in which Jesus tells his disciples they were not ready for all of Christian teaching. Robinson asserts that the acceptance of homosexuality was part of the teaching that the Holy Spirit was to give the Church later.

He said that the growing acceptance of homosexuality in the churches “is all ultimately about is patriarchy — the beginning of the end of it. The strength of the resistance tells us we’re on to something.”

His book, "In the Eye of the Storm", reiterates the homosexual lobby movement’s doctrine that homosexuality is the equivalent of race or sex. He said it gives him a “little window into some of what it must be like to be a woman, or a person of colour, or a person in a wheelchair — and countless other categories the dominant culture has controlled, diminished and oppressed”. This naturally leads to a greater capacity for “Christian empathy”.

“Just as surely as Jesus called to his friend Lazarus to ‘Come out!’ of his tomb, Jesus called me to come out of my tomb of guilt and shame, to accept and love that part of me that he already accepted and loved.”

The Exodus story, he said, is “one of the greatest coming-out stories in the history of the world”.

He admitted that it is possible for heterosexuals to sympathize with the oppressed, saying, “It’s not impossible, but it’s harder.”

Read related LifeSiteNews.com coverage:
Homosexual Episcopal Bishop Out to Claim Bible for Abortion-Rights Activists
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005/apr/05041802.html

Homosexual 'Bishop' Attempts to Deflect Attention from Worldwide Anglican Schism
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2004/sep/04091408.html

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Robinson is a long-time supporter of abortion. In 2005, he addressed Planned Parenthood's fifth annual prayer breakfast in Washington. He said then that the only way to defend the pro-abortion mindset is to reach out religiously, saying, “Our defense against religious people has to be a religious defense. ... We must use people of faith to counter the faith-based arguments against us.”

My disgust for Robinson grows by the day.

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Acceptance of abortion and promotion of the homosexual lifestyle, pleases Satan.

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[Yet another example of why The Episcopal Church has increasingly become incompatible with Anglican or any orthodox form of Christianity --Huber]

[AndrewC]

What an unimaginative God it would be if God only put one meaning in any verse of Scripture

How can a Christian church accept such blasphemy in a so-called leader?

[wagglebee]

Good question, “Thou shalt NOT” is about as unambiguous as it gets.

[horse_doc]

Robinson asserts that the acceptance of homosexuality was part of the teaching that the Holy Spirit was to give the Church later.

Thats it! The Holy Spirit meant for us to wait 2000 years, before taking a crash course in glory holes, bug chasing, and fisting.

And I can't wait until the Holy Spirit gets around to adding an acceptance of beastiality, binge drinking, and public orgies. Is the 25th Century too soon, or do we have to wait a little longer???!?!?!

[rabscuttle385]

I'm beginning to wonder if Robinson was planted by certain dark powers (not necessarily of this world) in order to hijack for nefarious purposes The Episcopal Church and The Anglican Communion, more generally. And, the bulk of the denomination's members either failed to discern such a plot or turned a blind eye to it.

We can only hope and pray that The Lord will turn what is meant for evil into something that is wholesome and good.

[AndrewC]

To lend biblical credence to his assertions, Robinson cited a passage in John’s Gospel in which Jesus tells his disciples they were not ready for all of Christian teaching. Robinson asserts that the acceptance of homosexuality was part of the teaching that the Holy Spirit was to give the Church later.

I'm just flabbergasted how any Christian could follow him. If any passage truly applies to Robinson it is this.

Jhn 12:43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

[wagglebee]

I'm beginning to wonder if Robinson was planted by certain dark powers (not necessarily of this world) in order to hijack for nefarious purposes The Episcopal Church and The Anglican Communion, more generally.

I don't think there is any doubt.

[wequalswinner]

Opposing our Lord is one thing. But to do that and say you aren’t, wow. I, like you, feel surprised that my reaction could be any different, there’s nothing new here. It’s just more hurtful everytime I hear this. Unbelievable. His conscience is seared.

[Mad Dawg]

I’m not sure it was the PRAISE of men he was interested in.

[joebuck]

"He spoke of “the need to teach people about nuance, about holding things in tension, that this can be true and that can be true, and somewhere between is the right answer. It's a very adult way of living, you know."

"Words mean whatever I want them to mean, nothing more and nothing less".
Humpty Dumpty, Beyond the Looking glass

“You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
Satan, Genesis 3:4-5

[Mad Dawg]

What an unimaginative God it would be if God only put one meaning in any verse of Scripture

It took the Holy Spirit a brace of millenia to bring the chosen, The Episcopal Church of the USA, to the profound, even mysterious, Spiritual incite, uh, insight, that "Thou shalt do no murder," was so nuanced and rich in shades of meaning that it also meant, "Thou shalt feel perfectly free to murder children who interfere with your plans for your life."

Great is the mystery of their religion: Moloch devourer of babies, coming soon to a Gehenna near you.

You will note, however, the while God can make the Bible means whatever you like, and while the average Episcopal soi-disant priest can make canon and rubric mean whatever he or she likes, when it comes to real estate and trust funds, they mean what they say, no imagination need call.

SOME things are too sacred to be changed, even by the Blessed Spirit of Change — that is, the Holy Spirit as the Episcopal Church understands her, and only Bishops and Standing Committees may say what a faithful parish can do with its property. None of this "both/and" stuff there!

[Honorary Serb]

.....Robinson asserts that the acceptance of homosexuality was part of the teaching that the Holy Spirit was to give the Church later.....

WRONG, “Selfish Gene”!!!! Christ said in the Gospel According to John that the Most Holy Spirit would take what is “mine” (Christ’s) and delcare it to the Church. Christ did NOT say that the Spirit would invent things out of whole cloth that contradict the teachings of Christ, and of God’s people from Abraham to today.

In various periods of Christian history, there have been movements that claimed that the Holy Spirit was teaching them novel things that went against all that had gone before (Thomas Muenster, for one). These movements caused lots of trouble (even wars and murder), and always disappeared.

As for a “gay church”, there already is one, the Metropolitan Community “Church”. Why does “Selfish Gene” Robinson not join the MCC, and stop disrupting the Anglican Communion?

[PAR35]

I'm just flabbergasted how any Christian could follow him.

Is there any evidence that any do?

[PetroniusMaximus]

““Just as surely as Jesus called to his friend Lazarus to ‘Come out!’ of his tomb, Jesus called me to come out of my tomb of guilt and shame, to accept and love that part of me that he already accepted and loved.””

Vomited straight out of the pit of hell.

[wagglebee]

It seems that Robinson misunderstood the whole, “Go and sin no more” approach.

[PetroniusMaximus]

“It seems that Robinson misunderstood the whole, “Go and sin no more” approach.”

What we know to be sin, he calls a “sacrament”.

No lie, a few years ago he was interviewed and “revealed” that sodomy was a new kind of sacrament.

We’ve got to be near the end.

[wagglebee]

What we know to be sin, he calls a “sacrament”.

No lie, a few years ago he was interviewed and “revealed” that sodomy was a new kind of sacrament.

Then it is abundantly clear EXACTLY who Robinson worships. Prayers for those who are tempted to follow him into the pits of Hell.

[Liberty Valance]

I've got a nuance for you Mr. Gene Robinson ...
you are a minion of satan.

[windsorknot]

I have to question the motives of a man who would willingly plant this discord in a church that he “loves” for the sake of his perverted sexual proclivities.

[OpusatFR]

Is he sure he isn’t channeling Moloch? Just the idea of sacrificing the infants to the god of convenience makes me wonder.

The guy gives me the willies.

[AnalogReigns]

Surely he was planted by the dark powers of this age. However, its nothing new...there have been active homosexual priests and bishops in the Episcopal Church for years, Robinson is just the first out of the closet about it.

It was the abandonment of Scripture as the final authority—a process in theology about 200 years old now, and increasingly influential at the parish level for about the last 50 to 100 years, which is how Robinson’s were made possible. However, he is merely a symptom of a much larger and older disease.

Robinson is a part of the left in religion that wants to bring the teaching and recognition of the church into accord with actual practice....and since such vile corruptions were never removed—the denomination has been hijacked, and now he’s looking for official sanction to his unrepentance.

There are now 2 distinct religions within Anglicanism, and as Jesus said, a house divided cannot stand. Blessedly orthodox Anglicanism is growing by leaps and bounds, and the revisionist hijacked counterfeit version of Robinson is, with the TEC organization, dying on the vine.

[lightman]

There are now 2 distinct religions within Anglicanism, and as Jesus said, a house divided cannot stand. Blessedly orthodox Anglicanism is growing by leaps and bounds, and the revisionist hijacked counterfeit version of Robinson is, with the TEC organization, dying on the vine.

You are very charitable.

I believe that Mr. Robinson and his ilk have long severed themselves from the holy vine of Christ.

And I yearn for the coming of the day when such lifeless branches are burned with the unquenchable fire.

[sionnsar]

"I'm just flabbergasted how any Christian could follow him."
Is there any evidence that any do?

No.

[altura]

It’s almost impossible for me to despise that glory hound more, but still I manage it.

Anytime you hear the word, ‘nuance’ beware.

[8mmMauser]

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[Cheverus]

I can’t help but to see this in the context of the Tenebrae Service:

Robinson’s barking is the loud “clap” that signifies it’s time to leave in silence. Difference being that Easter Sunday will be found elsewhere.

Emotional and historical ties definitely do bind, but how in the world can anyone with any inkling of traditional Christianity stay.

It’s time folks...stop rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

[MockTurtle]

Planned Parenthood has a Prayer Breakfast? Whom do they pray to? Isis? Satan? The Goddess?

[wagglebee]

My guess is all of the above and don’t forget about Moloch.