Posted on 05/09/2008 11:37:51 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
Astronomers and philosophers have, from time almost immemorial until very recently, asserted that the moon was uninhabited, that it had no atmosphere etc.. But recent discoveries, through the means of powerful telescopes, have given scientists a doubt or two upon the old theory.
Nearly all the great discoveries of men in the last half-century have, in one way or another, either directly or indirectly, contributed to prove Joseph Smith to be a Prophet.
As far back as 1837, I know that he said the moon was inhabited by men and women the same as this earth, and that they lived to a greater age than we do -- that they live generally to near the age of a 1000 years.
He described the men as averaging near six feet in height, and dressing quite uniformly in something near the Quaker style.
In my Patriarchal blessing, given by the father of Joseph the Prophet, in Kirtland, 1837, I was told that I should preach the gospel before I was 21 years of age; that I should preach the gospel to the inhabitants upon the islands of the sea, and to the inhabitants of the moon, even the planet you can now behold with your eyes.
The first two promises have been fulfilled, and the latter may be verified.
From the verification of two promises we may reasonably expect the third to be fulfilled also.
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One truth after another men are finding out by the wisdom and inspiration given of God to them.
The inspiration of God caused men to hunt for a new continent until Columbus discovered it. Men have lost millions of dollars, and hundreds of lives to find a country beyond the North Pole; and they will yet find that country -- a warm, fruitful country, and inhabited by the ten tribes of Israel, a country divided by a river on one side of which lives the half tribe of Manasseh, which is more numerous than all the others. So said the Prophet. At the same time, he described the shape of the earth at the poles as being a rounded elongation and drew a diagram in this form; (see graphic at link) which any one can readily see will allow the sun's rays to fall so near perpendicular to the center that part of the earth may be warmed and made fruitful. He quoted scripture and proof of his theory which says that "the earth flieth upon its wings in the midst of the creations of God," and said that there was a semblance in the form of the earth that gave rise to the saying.
Cedar Fort, Utah, February 6, 1892
As far back as 1837, I know that he said the moon was inhabited by men and women the same as this earth, and that they lived to a greater age than we do — that they live generally to near the age of a 1000 years.
Paging Art Bell.
That "live to near the age of a 1000 years" is kinda hard to believe, isn't it.
With "Lunar Warming" and all that, I doubt if they live to more than a couple of hundred years.
Has he started his own religion?
They come from the innards of the Earth.
Hahahaha! David Icke has! Don't give my half-brother any ideas! LOL
A pearl of great price is not yours for the asking.
They come from the innards of the Earth."
I never said they were from outer space, did I? Everyone knows that Admiral Perry flew into Inner Earth during his expeditions. Shheeesh!
Makes sense. No oxygen = no oxidation.
Cars probably last longer, too.
Ignignot: “Hello, Carl, I am Ignignot, and this is Ur.”
Ur: “I am Ur!”
Ignignot: “We are Mooninites from the inner core of the Moon.”
Ur: “You said it right!”
Ignignot: “Our race is hundreds of years beyond yours.”
Ur: “Man, you hear what he's sayin’?”
Ignignot: “Some would say that the Earth is *our* moon.”
Ur: *We're* the Moon!”
Ignignot: “But that would belittle the name of our Moon, which is the Moon.”
Ur: “Point is, we're at the center, not you!”
Carl: “No, the real point is I don't give a damn.” (slams door)
Ignignot: “Is your ego satisfied?”
Ur: “Damn no!”
You’re a bad, bad FReeper...but I AM edified.
Be nice.
BTW, in light of this lesson, I do find the "moon-bat" comment somewhat apropos.
I suspect that if they have Moon men, then they probably have Moon-bats as well. And Moon horses and Moon dogs and, it wouldn't be a paradise without... Moon Pies.
Did he find the Lost Tribes of Israel?
The Moon is in the Ilky Way, and I don't have the updated list yet.
Seriously? That’s the kind of stuff that gives good ‘ole fashioned banking & media conspiracies a bad name!
I think we need some Mormons to come on here and defend their founder’s comments.
After all, he was inspired and spoke “truth.”
I don't know about that, but I think it is safe to say that he was a Prophet.
And Moon Pies.
The idea that Joseph taught the moon is inhabited comes from the writing of Oliver B. Huntington in 1881 (his journal) and in 1892 (the Young Woman's Journal). Huntington claimed that Joseph Smith's father had given him a patriarchal blessing in 1837 which promised that he would preach the gospel to the moon inhabitants.
Close examination reveals that Huntington was only ten years old when he was given this blessing and that his recollections were made over fifty years later. Also, it turns out that the blessing was given by his own father, not Joseph Smith's father.
According to a copy of the blessing in the Church archives (Blessing Book, vol.9, pp.294-95), it was only one of many given the same day at the same meeting, and none were recorded in detail at the time. Orson Pratt took sketchy notes as the blessings were given, then filled in details later by consulting those who were there. An examination of the blessing shows that the recorded blessing was much more vague than Huntington remembered.
It also appears that Huntington may have picked up on a rumor that Joseph Smith had given a description of the inhabitants of the moon. This description, which Huntington recorded in his journal, is the original source of the anti-Mormon claim that Joseph described the moon inhabitants. Because his journal is also cited in a Young Woman's publication of the Church, it supposedly gives more credibility to the critics. The statement, which appeared in a two-page article by Oliver B. Huntington entitled “The Inhabitants of the Moon” in the Young Woman's Journal, is as follows:
As far back as 1837, I know that he [Joseph SmithJ said the moon was inhabited by men and women the same as this earth, and that they lived to a greater age than we d~that they live generally to near the age of a 1,000 years.
He described the men as averaging nearly six feet in height, and dressing quite uniformly in something near the Quaker style (Young Woman's Journal, Vol.3, p.263).
From what is quoted here, the most we can conclude is that 0. B. Huntington was familiar with rumors of statements that were attributed to Joseph Smith. However, there is nothing in the writings of Joseph Smith or those who recorded his words prior to his death that even hints of any these views about inhabitants on the moon. This earliest recollection was recorded in 1881, 37 years after the prophet's death.
Even if it turned out that the prophet held these views, nowhere does scripture suggest that a prophet is not allowed to speculate about things that haven't been revealed. Many people during the Nineteenth Century, both the learned and not-so-learned, were speculating on this subject. Joseph Smith's personal opinions and what he taught as revealed doctrine, however, are two entirely different things. The idea that he taught it as a revealed doctrine is based upon Oliver B. Huntington's fifty-year-old, correct or incorrect memory of his blessing, and a rumor that was current in 1881.
Another aspect of the matter needs to be considered. At the present time, man has no scientific or revealed knowledge of whether or not there are inhabitants on the earth's moon. The fact that a handful of astronauts didn't see any inhabitants in the tiny area they viewed when they landed on the moon decades ago certainly gives no definitive information, any more than visitors to earth who might land in barren Death Valley would have any idea of the billions of inhabitants elsewhere.
John the Revelator “saw an angel standing in the sun” (Rev. 19:17). Perhaps we have much to learn about inhabitants of other heavenly spheres.
I must admit I know much of David Icke and am amazed that a person can make Art Bell look sane.
For fun look up Mel's Hole
Cheers all, draw as much blood as you want. I'm out.
I can't believe you wrote that!
Thank you for your input. It was very.... educating.
G’night.
Beyond educating, it was......mesmerizing
King of the Moon seen here waiting in line for tickets to Cloverfield.
That answer is part of a Mormon Apologetic Website where they supposedly give "ONE-MINUTE ANSWERS TO ANTI-MORMON QUESTIONS".
You just stole lifted it from there without any attribution. Tsk. Tsk.
Therefore the words are yours.
The rule is: You steal 'em, you own 'em.
BTW if that is the kind of response that website gives to "ANTI-MORMON QUESTIONS", then I don't think we speculate as to how intelligent those answers must be.
Thank you SOOOOOOOO much for posting that.
You really made this thread.
Congratulations !!.......This statement will become legendary here on FR. You are a perfect spokesman for the mormon church !
Just to be safe from the inevitable punching of the abuse button, I have archived this page.
How can a presidential candidate follow a moon-bat cultist like Joe Smith and actually have the support of people like Ann Coulter? Makes me worried for the country.
JOSEPH SMITH WAS DEAD RIGHT (literally) REGARDING TWO PROPHESIES
A VAIN PROPHET WILL BE THROWN DOWN: July 1828. D&C 3:4.
For although a man may have many revelations, and have power to do many mighty works, yet if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at naught the counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him.GLOBAL WARMING: Nov 3, 1831. D&C 133:26.FULFILLED: On May 26, 1844, Joseph Smith made the following statement in a public sermon (Brodie p 374, HC 6:408-412):
Come on, ye persecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! For I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.At this time Smith was secretly married polygamously to over 30 women, some of them wives of men still living. Many who knew of these secret marriages accused him of changing the doctrine of the church to satisfy his own carnal desires in violation of the Book of Mormon (Jacob 2:23-29, 3:5) and D&C 49:16.
Almost exactly one month after this boast, on June 27, 1844, Smith was killed by his enemies in a gun battle at Carthage Jail.
NOTE: For some reason, this prophecy by Joseph Smith, although it was fulfilled quickly and literally, is rarely cited by Mormons.
Those who are in the north countries... shall smite the rocks, and the ice shall flow down at their presence.JOSEPH SMITH WAS DEAD WRONG (literally) REGARDING DOZENS OF OTHER PROPHESIESFULFILLED: Smith's uncanny prediction of Global Warming resulting from hydrocarbons taken by smiting the rocks has been confirmed by no less of an authority than the Nobel Laureate AlGore.
You can see a partial list of 50 or so of Smith's failed prophecies HERE.
I wonder how many other discourses have been provided without attribution.
At any rate, this is one is my favorite! ;o)
*snort*... *cough* You don’t say? You learn something new every day. *chortle*
You’d have been better off not commenting for the way it makes you look,......
WOW!
The moon is probably more likely to have some life than a random planet.
One theory is that the moon was formed after the earth was hit by a large object. If this happened while life was on earth, some could have been transferred.
Now, there are not too many(maybe none) Earth lifeforms that would survive and reproduce on the surface of the moon. Underground could be a different story...
You mean, they are contaminating our precious bodily fluids?
That explains a lot.
I would also be suspicious of the fact that there is no atmosphere, no vegetation, no oceans, and no Mickey D’s...
There might be cable TV, but I kinda doubt it.
The moon doesn't even have caddies up there and that's been proven.....
No cable internet? No way I'd live on the moon, I ain't going back to dial up.
Lol!
I hear ya!
Wireless DSL here.
Not fiber optic speed, but way better than dialup.
Recently got done downloading 3,685 MB from work. It was spread out over about 3 days.
According to a survey done by LDS author R. Clayton Brough, 4 percent of the LDS population believes in the hollow earth theory and that it is a probable explanation for the location of the lost 10 tribes.
Well, you just roundly refuted the words of Oliver Huntington concerning the revelation by Joseph Smith. Now, how about this from BRIGHAM YOUNG?
from Brigham Young:
“I will tell you who the real fanatics are: they are they who adopt false principles and ideas as facts, and try to establish a superstructure upon, a false foundation. They are the fanatics; and however ardent and zealous they may be, they may reason or argue on false premises till doomsday, and the result will be false. If our
religion is of this character we want to know it; we would like to find a philosopher who can prove it to us. We are called ignorant; so we are: but what of it? Are not all ignorant? I rather think so. Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening,
called the moon?
When we view its face we may see what is termed “the
man in the moon,” and what some philosophers declare are the shadows of mountains. But these sayings are very vague, and amount to nothing; and when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the most ignorant of
their fellows. So it is with regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain. It was made to give light to those who dwell upon it, and to other planets; and so
will this earth when it is celestialized.
Every planet in its first rude, organic state receives not the glory of God upon it, but is opaque; but when celestialized, every planet that God brings into
existence is a body of light, but not till then. Christ is the light of this planet.” - Journal of Discourses Vol. 13, p.271.
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