Posted on 05/08/2008 9:33:52 PM PDT by festus
Six translations of Qur'an 4:34:
"Men are superior to women on account of the qualities with which God has gifted the one above the other, and on account of the outlay they make from their substance for them. Virtuous women are obedient, careful, during the husband's absence, because God has of them been careful. But chide those for whose refractoriness you have cause to fear; remove them into beds apart, and scourge them: but if they are obedient to you, then seek not occasion against them: verily, God is High, Great!" (Rodwell's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme." (Dawood's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
"Men are in charge of women, because Allah has made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded. As for those from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great." (Pickthall's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
"Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All high, All great." (Arberry's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. (Shakir's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whom part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance) for Allah is Most High, Great (above you all). (Ali's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
So, regarding the topic of disciplining your wife which of the above passages do you feel best expresses what Allah and his Prophet, the one True Prophet btw, intended.
How do you apply this to your daily life and how do you feel it has helped you become closer to the One God and his Prophet.
( Remember this is only for positive uplifting conversation among Islamic Freepers and absolutely no bashing, criticizing, reasonable discourse that doesn't agree shall be permitted per the uniformly applied rules of such matters that are regularly enforced for other religions )
What are your thoughts ?
Touche’
My Prophet can beat up your Prophet.
Ok. Just trying Maha Rushies illustrating absurdity through absurdity.
I shall repent and not do this sort of thing again.
BTW: Moderating religions must be a tough job.
Having been threatened with “banning”, I shall forgo my thoughts on this caucused thread. ;-)
I just love it when you do that!! :)
Is it okay to post a phony caucus? I mean, there are Mohammaden Republicans, but I don’t think any are around here.
Those are all mistranslations.
You are quoting the Prophet out of context in an attempt to ridicule the Religion of Peace.
You have to understand what the Prophet was saying in context. You are not sincere.
You haven't read these passages with a sincere heart and asked Allah to reveal to you whether they are true.
Here you have a promise: Take a copy of the Koran and hold it gently and reverently to your breast and then pray to Allah to answer you whether this book is true and if you are sincere in your heart and believe, nothing wavering, then you will get a burning in your bosom.
Infidel!
Yeah, we're all really out here at FR!!
Example!!
Hope I don't get banned!!
Which translation do you feel best conveys the true meaning of the original text text?
Can we ask questions?
You’re a bad, bad FReeper. Really. I mean it. Stop laughing....
Do you value your tongue, infidel?
More than some. Less than others.
LOL!
Religion Moderator. THERE IS A Religion Moderator? As Johnny Carson would say, “I did not know that.”
LOL!
you are too funny!
Not too funny.
Just right!
***Fellow Islamic Freepers.***
I’m still hung up on how the sun went down in the west.
Did it go into a muddy spring? A Mirey font? Or a dark sea as the last translation says.
LOL! Outstanding!
Festus, too funny, and thanks, RM, for being an “entertaining” host, too. (’Tis does me good to laugh & not always be soberly serious!!! :) )
I knew this woman named Victoria once and she...
... oh... the religion forum...
*nevermind*
I’m not sure how it can help me. Does it mean I have to quit beating my wife? If so, does it mean I have to get married?
Six translations of Qur’an 4:34 and yet surah 54:32 says, “And We have indeed made the Qur’an easy to understand and remember...”
I just got up.,..give me time to get the hose.
Phooey!
LOL!
Calling in the lunch mob are you?
(MuslimChick - signed Huma Bilquis Hussein)
Greetings Islamic Freepers! I have much to learn about
your unique religion.
festus, unfortunately, as we know, the Qu’ran is only
true inasmuch as it is translated correctly.
May I ask, Do you believe that you too will someday be
a god? I know many freepers believe this.
Respectively,
ampu
Better get it right next time or we'll be forced to send the Avenging Jinn's to your tent to engage in some Jihad Atonement.
Actually, I think that is the Wally Cleaver version of the Quran.
“But chide those for whose refractoriness you have cause to fear; remove them into beds apart, and scourge them: but if they are obedient to you, then seek not occasion against them: verily, God is High, Great!”
YeeeeHaawwwww! ! ! That’s just what I was a thinkin. And God even blesses it!
Now the question is, if I change from being a Wiccan to a Muslim, does that mean I can instantaneously stop being bashed for my occasional wife scourging?
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I find this whole thread to be hateful and demeaning.
It does not matter if we agree or if we do not agree with their religion, this is important to a lot of people.
This kind of garbage is getting more and more normal here at FR.
fred
This is a ZOT Caucus.
You are welcome to participate in the discussion even if you are not a ZOT.
However, you should try hard to abide by the rules for ZOT Caucuses.
Here are the rules:
Thank you and enjoy your stay in the Zot Caucus.
Infidel.
I missed the Caucus part.
What does ZOT stand for?
You’re BAD!!!
BWAAHAHAHAH!!
“ZOT” means the thread is unacceptable to Free Republic but we are leaving it up so that the other posters can have fun with it.
Maybe you can contribute to THIS thread....
:p
How do I join?
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