Posted on 03/24/2008 7:29:31 AM PDT by DouglasKC
Of course there's no need to go on. I post proof after proof from dictionary after dictionary and you still insist your opinion is the correct one. There's no accounting for stubbornness. I've more than made my point so I'm not going to argue with you anymore since you just keep repeating the same things.
Really?
Can you show one definition that states that a covenant requires the death of the one making of the covenant?
You can't, because no convenant requires that.
But, as Heb.9:16 states, a Testament does.
So, stop blowing smoke and admit that you are wrong.
Heb.9:16-17 makes it very clear that the word cannot be covenant, (which is why even the NIV put in will and not covenant), it has to be Testament, since a covenant doesn't require the death of anyone to go into force- now does it or not!
What you keep posting has nothing to do with what the verse is saying.
No more than your lame attempt to wiggle out of Heb.8:11 which speaks of what will occur in the New Covenant, not as it develops.
Now, if you can find a dictionary that states a covenant doesn't go into effect unless the one making the covenant dies, produce it or admit that the Bible is speaking of two different things.
If not, just go back to the false theology.
I've told you, you win. All the experts and all the dictionaries are wrong. Only your opinion is correct.
I've told you, you win. All the experts and all the dictionaries are wrong. Only your opinion is correct.
You didn't produce any dictionary or expert that stated that a covenant required the death of the one making the conveant, because it doesn't.
That is made very clear by the Bible itself.
So, the passage in Heb.9:16-17 cannot be translated with the word covenant, since there is no necessity for the death of the one making the covenant in order for it to go into effect.
So, the correct word is Testament, and not covenant.
And you produced nothing to contradict that fact because it is a fact, and facts are stubborn things.
Gen.21: 23 Now therefore swear unto me here by God that thou wilt not deal falsely with me, nor with my son, nor with my son's son: but according to the kindness that I have done unto thee, thou shalt do unto me, and to the land wherein thou hast sojourned. 24 And Abraham said, I will swear. 25 And Abraham reproved Abimelech because of a well of water, which Abimelech's servants had violently taken away. 26 And Abimelech said, I wot not who hath done this thing; neither didst thou tell me, neither yet heard I of it, but to day. 27 And Abraham took sheep and oxen, and gave them unto Abimelech; and both of them made a covenant
A covenant is made and no one had to die for it to into effect.
9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Clear enough?
a Testament requires death, a covenant doesn't.
But go back to the Law, with its 'weak and beggerly elements' that do nothing but put you into bondage (Gal.4:9), just don't claim that it has anything to do with New Testament Christianity-it doesn't.
You win. All the dictionaries are wrong and you're right. Bask in your victory.
Great post, ZC. I’m sorry I did not read it earlier.
Well, there goes years of my wisdom down the cyberdrain!
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