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Posted on 02/22/2008 9:11:12 AM PST by Zakeet
They're called the "Lost Boys," the teenagers kicked out of their homes and communities by leaders of the polygamist Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to ensure there's an ample supply of single, young women who will one day become plural wives. Representative Lorie Fowlke (R-Orem), is running a bill to make this abandonment a felony.
"Estimates are that we've had more than 1,000 children - primarily in southern Utah - thrown out of their homes," Fowlke says. "What we were trying to do with this bill is criminalize this behavior and send a message to this community that they can't just throw away their children."
H.B. 23 adds child abandonment to the definition of child abuse, and makes it a felony crime. It also adds an enhancement if a parent or organization benefits from the child's abandonment to further an illegal enterprise, such as polygamy. This is the case with the FLDS church, says Roger Hoole, a lawyer who represents some of the displaced young men and sits on the board for the Utah Association for Justice. He says the church benefits from kicking out young men who would compete for plural wives. This, he says, has devastating consequences.
"There's a huge impact that's coming, like a tsunami, that's going to hit the state of Utah, when these boys get a little older and realize what has happened to them and get angry," Hoole says. "There's a real problem here."
Fowlke's bill gained unanimous support in a Senate committee this morning, and now heads to the full Senate for consideration.
So..........does this bill provide “evidence” that this is occurring (discarding of children) is no longer just “gossip”?
But, but, but, the MORMONS do this? That can’t be.
I’ve read about the lost boys & find it to be horrible. Prayers for these boys & the hope that something will be done to help them.
[But, but, but, the MORMONS do this? That can’t be.]
What’s funny is that Mormons repeatedly tell us that merely claiming to be Christian is the same as being Christian, but any polygamists claiming to be true Mormons must be ostracized because they aren’t true Mormons.
Good idea. Surprising that throwing a child out of the house isn't already part of the definition of abuse - at least if the child is too young legally to be self-supporting.
Thanks for the PING
I had heard about this happening...
These peoplke think they are above the law...
or that our “secular” laws dont apply to them...
Shi’a Law is also being practiced in the US...
No, this is not The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. This is a lunatic cult that is rife with insanity. The evidence is that I view being a father as my highest calling and allowing one or more of my sons to be tossed out of my home is absolutely beyond the lower limits of my moral standards and the moral standards of any decent Christian.
FC, you are coming really close to personal abuse with that smarmy comment that you have to know is a lie.
Exactly. The inhabitants of these polygamist colonies have been allowed to run their own little fiefdoms unhampered by the law enforcement agencies in Utah and Arizona for decades. There have been some very brave souls who have escaped the cults and have brought these abuses to light in the past few years.
They believe that Joseph Smith was a Prophet, they follow the Book of Mormon, they follow the Doctrine & Covenants (even better than the mainstream LDS Church in regards to section 132). In fact I think these are the true believing Mormons.
You LDS insist that we Christians must claim you Mormons as Christian even though Mormonism doesn't believe in the same Christ, but these Mormons are not to be called Mormon because they still practice the law of Celestial marriage. You guys crack me up!
bttt!
If Joseph Smith had NOT listened to the two deceiveing spirits 180 some years ago, this travesty would NOT be happening.
The folks in Colorado City really BElieve what the Prophet wrote in Doctrines & Covanents 132!
You confuse PERSONAL with CORPORATE.
It's NOT a lie; the LDS group, based in SLC, will THROW OUT of their organization anyone found to practice polygamy, thus removing them from being called: MORMON.
That FIRST ‘comment’ didn’t last long!
LOL
Please try again.
That ain't the half of it!
People who have escaped the cults and brought their abuses to light, such as Flora Jessup (see above), are under a sentence of death through the Mormon doctrine of Blood Atonement.
You can find out more about Blood Atonement HERE, HERE, and HERE,
“because they aren’t true Mormons.”
They aren’t. Either they never were members of the LDS church in the first place, or they have been excommunicated.
Poor Resty...
Her replies just evaporate!
So instead of throwing them out, they will instead make home life unbearable for the child until he runs away. This bill accomplishes nothing.
Popcorn is ready on a snowy day! Good coffee too.
I am at zero tolerance with all the childish behavior that follows LDS-related discussions.
Everyone: discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal.
I must have missed the PERSONAL part of my post.
How many miles are you from polygamy central, ground zero of the cult of Mormonism, that practices the commandment of Celestial Marriage?
It’s rampant even in Salt Lake City. At least perhaps the powers that be in this State might quit hiding their heads in the sand.
I saw this on TV once. Can’t remember the show though.
1. Argue your points on thread not by abuse reports. The moderators don't appreciate posters trying to win their arguments by having the other guy's removed.
2. It is borderline hate mongering to smear an entire belief system by the behavior of a few, e.g. Baptists v. Phelps. Stop it.
3. Johnny one notes that go from thread to thread on the same subject, stirring up trouble, are asking for it. Stop it.
got any flavored coffee???
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
In my experience with the men, I have determined they all are true believers in Joseph Smith, the BOM, the D&C and all the rest. They compete for the girls in a strange Prophet (profit) driven way. I truly find it hard to believe that the main stream Mormons really believe in the same way, however when I asked a stalwart LDS member here regarding that, he said that if the lord commanded polygamy again, he would obey. Sad part of that is that none of the young women would be safe.
Mormon doctrine of Blood Atonement.
First of all there is no such thing as Mormon Doctrine!
This is a lye because it was NEVER DOCTRINE of the Church and all this guilt by association is not true, because this organization started independent and never was a break off and what this post is trying to do is imply to smear the LDS with what ever pops in one head!
The would be called yellow journalism!
Inflammatory, irresponsible reporting and in this case working to incite hatred of the LDS.
Book mark
Just add a bit of good bourbon on a snowy day.
I have my genealogy posted on my homepage. It is filled with men who had multiple wives. It’s so sad to read the journals of these young women who were forced to wed elderly men with multiple wives.
It is sad to read journals of the older wives who were abandoned by their husbands for younger wives. It’s sad to read the plight of the men who were forced into attempting to feed all these hungry mouths in the heart of the desert wilderness.
It hasn’t left us yet. Part of the reason it still exists is the secrecy. The admonition to “not talk about it.” I suppose soon we will face the irony of accepting the horrible practice because to refute it would be bordering on “hate mongering.”
ROTFL!
I'm afraid you are correct.
No...of course this is not the LDS Church!
The real LDS Church, long ago, forsook the teachings and doctrines of the Mormon "prophets" (like Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and others), who prophesied about, and followed, the alleged God-ordained practice of polygamy!
What lunatic would take multiple wives (some even married to ther men), especially with a majority being teenagers! That would just be insanity!!!!
But who, and what kind of person, would follow the lunacy and insane practices of these prophets, right?
My family journals say different. Here are two.
Ah, then I won’t care, right?
Wow, Joseph sure looked stern. Bet he was a good sheriff. Nobody would want to cross him (smile).
He took an 8 year old orphan girl into his family in Nauvoo, IL and brought her across the prarie to Utah.
When she was 15 she fell in love with her tutor. The tutor was sent away, and she was married to Joseph L Heywood, a 46 year old man with two other wives. This was typical.
Today it would be called abuse, just as it truly is.
If this thread is like most others that have anything to do with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or as we are more often called, the Mormons, it will soon be taken over by those who, for reasons of their own, choose to put down my Church, and those of us who worship with it.
We find no problem with people who really want to talk to us about converting to their religion, we spend a lot of time doing it ourselves.
What we find offensive is when people leave out part of the truth to make a half-true lie , or when some one renames something, that we find important or sacred, so it sounds like gutter talk.
I do not know how to tell the difference all the time. There are some Handles that keep showing up, and they are easy to spot. Sometimes, though, I have given a hard and not so kind response to some who honestly care for us and our salvation.
Please forgive us if we get you mixed up.
Thanks for your time,
fred
Seems to me the best option is for some private foundation to set up halfway houses for these kids to get them some decent education and/or vocational and social training that will allow them to assimilate into the larger society.
However, if we look at this in a non-specific context, this is happening all over the world with young men being kicked aside by older men, whether it’s in China or India with their diminished female populations, with polygamous men in Muslim countries, even with viagra-hopped men in the First World seeking to extend their youth, or affirmative action programs that favor young women or young men. Young men are getting the short end of the straw everytime and it’s no wonder there is such an increase of the “rogue elephant” mentality.
Meant to say affirmative action programs that favor young women OVER young men.
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