Posted on 01/26/2008 10:16:38 AM PST by HokieMom
An executive for one of the nation's leading evangelical groups says in a video voter guide that Mitt Romney has "acknowledged Mormonism is not a Christian faith," although the GOP presidential candidate has said he follows Jesus Christ and his church insists it is Christian.
Tom Minnery, senior vice president of government and public policy at Focus on the Family Action, said in an interview Friday that the comment was his interpretation of Romney's December "Faith in America" speech that was meant to reassure voters about his religion.
Minnery said that he spoke with the campaign after the video was posted this week and they did not contest his view or ask him to retract the statement.
"We've got a good relationship with them," he said.
Kevin Madden, a Romney spokesman, said in an e-mail that "campaign guides by advocacy groups consist of their viewpoints." Madden referred to Romney's faith speech when asked if the former Massachusetts governor considers himself Christian.
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These people are sick and evil.
They exploit the good and decent faith of believers for their own personal and political gain.
Just like Huckabee, that makes them blasphemers.
Are you sure about that? I just watched a few of the videos posted at their website and it seems like they’re trying to educate voters, not blaspheme. I’m a former Thompson supporter now voting for Romney and I thought what their portrayal of Romney was fair.
Romney never said he wasn’t a Christian.
In fact he has said many times quite the opposite.
Mitt Romney has stated he believe the Mormon faith is a Christian faith.
But these sick bastards will flagrantly lie about that in order to advance their own personal jihad against Mormons.
The "no religious test" clause of the United States Constitution is found in Article VI, section 3, and states that:“ ...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States. ”
Who are you supporting now that Fred’s withdrawn?
Of what's left, I guess I'll vote for Mitt.I'll only vote for Rudy, McShame or Huck in a Democrat primary.
Agreed. The goal now is to stop McCain which seems like it was the goal eight years ago when voting for now President Bush.
Whoa. So they are sick and evil for pointing out that mormonism is not orthodox christianity? When did the truth become evil?
You need to realize that coming together on poltics doesn't mean we are obligated to sell out our own religious beliefs or at least water it down to the point it is indistiguishable from other religions.
I keep hearing about this clause but what does it have to do with anything? No one has suggested Romney can't run because of his religion. There is no religious test for voters either and voters have every moral and legal right to vote for or against any candidate purely on the basis of their religion.
What makes it a bigoted view? Mormonism is not traditional Christianity and any thinking person who knows anything about the two can admit that. Christianity is not Judaism even though they both acknowledge God and believe in the inspiration fo the Old Testament Scriputres. Is that bigoted too?
You are dodging the real issue.
It would be like if I read what you said and then claimed that you “acknowledged” that Christians do not worship the God of the Israelites.
No it is not that at all. You broke a most basic logical rule of analogy. They are not claiming that Romney aclowledged Mormons do not believe in Christ. That would be the direct analogy to your "Christians do not worship the God of the Israelites." No, my comparison was religion to religion. Mormonism is not Christianity and Christianity is not Judaism. See the difference?
No I don’t.
I think you would view the YHWH worshipping religions under the umbrella of Abrahamic religions as a parallel to viewing the various Jesus worshipping religions under the umbrella of Christianity.
Anyways, we’re talking about Mitt Romney’s view on Mormonism, which he has flatly declared he believes is a Christian religion.
That is indisputable. Which is what makes Focus on the Family a bunch of bald faced liars.
An executive for one of the nation’s leading evangelical groups says in a video voter guide that Mitt Romney has “acknowledged Mormonism is not a Christian faith,” although the GOP presidential candidate has said he follows Jesus Christ and his church insists it is Christian.”
You have a link, I hope
Even with evidence, the MittNittWitts flame anyone touching their lusty obsession...
Modern day pharisees and bigots.
Dobson said Fred was no Christian ...remember that?
He is a lunatic.
Huck? The Huckster.....is ridiculous.
Are you saying that Mitt Romney never “acknowledged Mormonism is not a Christian faith,” ????????????
This clause applies to and limits the power of the Federal Government - it DOES NOT apply to or limit the power of individual voters.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty ... of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.John Jay, first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, 1816
If a non-Christian (e.g., Thuggee, Muslim, Mormon, etc.) manages to win an election for Federal office, Article VI does mean that he will assume that office.
However, as an individual voter, I still have the freedom to do what I can to prevent such an outcome.
The leadership of Focus on the Family also has that same freedom.
Only an anti-Christian bigot would deny anyone that freedom.
I was a Fred supporter who has been looking around to decide who to support. I’ve been pretty much an ‘anyone but Rudy’ guy since Fred withdrew.
Given the level of hatred evidenced by the Mitt supporters on this thread toward evangelicals, it’s pretty obvious that they aren’t interested in the support of Trinitarians.
Sounds like more than a few FR posters.
However, as an individual voter, I still have the freedom to do what I can to prevent such an outcome.
The leadership of Focus on the Family also has that same freedom.
Only an anti-Christian bigot would deny anyone that freedom.
The only one you have to answer to is the creator of the universe: YHvHYou have the right to do whatever you please.
b'SHEM Yah'shua
I think you’ve got that backwards.
And BTW, I’m a former FredHead who is anyone but Huckabee.
And I hate liars.
Are you saying that Mitt Romney never “acknowledged Mormonism is not a Christian faith,” ????????????Uh, DUH.
Before I hit the abuse button on you, I’ll give you a chance to clarify that comment.
I have made the statement over and over and I will gladly make it again:
Dobson and his Focus on the Family are nothing but liars, claiming that Mitt Romney agrees with their view that Mormons aren’t Christians.
Mitt Romney didn’t say that and would never say that, and they know it.
They aren’t merely “wrong” on the issue, they are liars of Clintonian proportions.
They know what Mitt says, and yet they lie about it to advance their bigotry.
How stupid do they think people are, that Mitt Romney would actually be out there parroting their brand of bigotry against his own religion?
Get real.
Dobson and his band of liars and bigots should have cooled their rhetoric long ago.
And by the look of your comments, I would suggest the same for you.
Tell me, what would God say about someone who voted against a candidate because he is a Jew?
What about someone who voted against a candidate because he was an evangelical?
I’m very interested to know your answer to both of these questions.
Knock it off, guys!
“Mitt Romney has “acknowledged Mormonism is not a Christian faith”
No problem with Mormons, but I like this. I was already going to vote for Flipper, but now I can feel better about doing so.
Log in as a mod, and I’ll pay attention to your instruction.
Poster was throwing the term ‘liar’ around in a post to me, and rather than flame him, I asked for a clarification, which he gave, showing that the comment was not directed at me personally.
I might disagree with the poster, but it is clear that he meant no personal offense to me, and with the followup comment, I take none.
I still think the mods should move the thread to the backroom rather than leaving it in Religion.
Mitt Romney did no such thing.
Focus on the Family is lying about that.
This is just anti-Mormon propaganda.
What Focus on the Family did is akin to a Neo-Nazi group claiming that Joe Lieberman has “acknowledged that Jews are subhuman.”
Mitt was not my first choice.Rudy promotes the murder of babies and Gay marriage.
Mcstain is in favor of invasion of our borders and destruction of the Bill Of Rights and the murder of babies .
Huck was driven out of the SBC.
My first choice was Fred
That does not mean that an individual Mormon cannot find a faith in Jesus that He is able to credit by His grace, despite Mormonism.
No one is calling Mormons subhuman.
Mr. & Mrs. Dobson know exactly who’s going to hell and who’s going to Heaven and if an Angel of the Lord came down and told them otherwise, they’d spit in his face.
Mitt Romney said that Jesus is his Savior and the Savior of the whole world. It is truly disgusting for a mere man to call Romney a liar on this point. It’s dangerous.
Jesus Christ died for my sins and I love Him for it. It was Heavenly Father’s Plan of Salvation and the Holy Ghost seals it in my heart. I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
No one is calling Mormons subhuman.No, just "SubChristian" — which is the same thing as "subhuman" to someone like Dobson.
Even if they took liberties saying “Mitt said” we should try not get caught up in their spirit to invalidate.
I do not believe that Mormons are followers of the Christ. But Bill and Hillary presented themselves as christians. George and Huck present themselves as christians. I vote on issues as outlined in Elohim's Word with discernment.You need to admit to yourself that you are voting for your own prejudice.
b'SHEM Yah'shua
Huckabee’s Phone Call From God
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=2yj_okz7ZwI
But you can’t stop people from voting based on religion. That clause merely states that legally they have a right to be a candidate.
I repeat Bill and Hillary call themselves christian. GW Bush and Huckabee call themselves christian. My discernment is that none of them are followers of the Christ. They say that to fool bigots to vote for them.What I object to is the bigoted who think they are voting because Elohim told to vote that way.
b'SHEM Yah'shua
Personally, I vote based on political views; not religion. I believe the voter guides from the faith based voters also have checkmarks based on issues. I don’t have a problem with that.
I’d say this is a free country, and until you or some other nazi tells me how I can vote, I can vote for or against anyone for whatever reason, be it politics or religion. Thank you very much. And take a chill pill. I don’t have to give you an accounting on why I do or don’t vote for someone. As far as how God would want me to vote, if the Jew was a socialist I’d have to vote my values and vote against him, and God wouldn’t wipe me off the face of the earth for it. If an evangelical was teaching anything contrary to the Scriptures I wouldn’t vote for that person either. Why are Romney supporters so thin-skinned? You didn’t address this post to me, but I felt compelled to give you my answer.
Not only was the question not directed to you, but you didn’t even answer the question I asked. You seem to have completely missed the point of why I asked it. Perhaps you should have taken a look at the post I was responding too, first.
The poster I was responding too said it was quite alright to discriminate against a Mormon based solely on his religion. So I wanted to know how he answered that when the Mormon was substituted with a Jew or an evangelical, to see if and how his answered changed. Of course he was too much of a coward to respond. But you did... sort of.
But instead, you qualify your vote against the Jew for being a “socialist” and against the evangelical for “teaching” things contrary to Scripture. That wasn’t the question. Though come to think of it, it does sound like you might be talking about Huckabee specifically... but I must admit, I prefer my candidates to “campaign” on the “issues”, not “teach” the “Scriptures” either way.
But hey, that’s just me.
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