Posted on 02/19/2007 9:52:37 AM PST by AlbionGirl
Im determined to stand whether God will deliver me or not
There are always two important questions about music. The first is Do I like it? and the second is Do I get it? I have loved Bob Dylans music ever since I first heard him in the 60s, so much so that it is difficult to believe not everyone shares that love. Still, even if you dont like Dylans music, you need to understand it. He has had too great an impact on our world to ignore it. And in a world where increasingly the next generation finds their deepest yearnings expressed in popular culture, getting his music can prepare us to be better able to engage our world with the gospel.
Robert Zimmerman was born in 1941 in Duluth, a city on Lake Superior on the iron range of Minnesota. Its a blue-collar, hard-working area, populated with German and Scandinavian immigrants working open mines cut deep into the earth, logging in the deep snow in the woods, and on busy wharfs shipping grain and iron ore on huge ships navigating the Great Lakes. The Jewish community the Zimmermans found there was small, and though not Orthodox, they taught Bob and his brother the Bible and instilled in them a strong moral code and solid midwestern values.
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Ping, I mean HUGE Dylan Ping!
No, we don't.
Dylans last album, Love and Theft, his 43rd, was slated for release on September 11, 2001. Though recorded long before the tragic events at the World Trade Center, the second song on the album evokes painfully appropriate images of the horror of evil:Every step of the way,we walk the line
Your days are numbered, so are mine
Sky full of fire, Pain pouring down
Nothing you can sell me, Ill see you around
All my powers of expression and thoughts so sublime
Could never do you justice in reason or rhyme.And lest anyone think that this human dilemmaof sincan be solved by our own effort, Dylan sets the record straight in his 1979 song, Precious Angel:
My so-called friends have fallen under a spell.
They look me squarely in the eye and they say, All is well.
Can they imagine the darkness that will fall from on high
When men will beg God to kill them and they wont be able to die?That last line, like a thunderbolt right through my brain, directly to my heart.
LOL!!!!!!
I can't understand a damn thing he says, but I will give the man credit for not being a traitor as so many of his contemporaries were.
All right, no fair trying to claim Dylan as a Calvinist! LOL!
LOL!
Yeah, aside from "TANGLED UP IN BLUE", there's little of his I enjoy.... very little.
Lyrically he has registered impact, but playing guitar, well no. Seeing him perform in 1994 at the Woodstock II festival, he showed not only can he not play with a band, but that he couldn't play guitar. It was shocking to say the least.
Not taking away the relevance of his songwriting or his abandonment of children because that's a different matter.
But how does treating his son Jacob poorly conform to Midwestern values.
Ever since his cheeks puffed over 15 years ago, he's been impossible to understand. I would never waste my money to see him mumble.
What is yours?
One test of this is the numerous lines and images from his lyrics that are imprinted in our cultures common language. Listen: Theyre everywhere, blowin in the wind. He has sung with eloquence about so many issues at times when the news about them was needed,Woiwode says, and has so often hit the target dead center, I often wonder if he isnt hot-wired to a manifestation of the Holy Spirit.
I think that's a great image.
"When men will beg God to kill them and they won't be able to die"
Yes, that's a chilling line.
Dylan is a real troubadour, heralding the present and the future in light of the past. What I like most about Dylan these days is the fact he seems aware of his redemption and grateful for his deliverance. He knows that to fear is to mistrust God. I bet he's read John 16.
In the still of the night, in the world's ancient light We eat and we drink, we feel and we think Well, the moon gives light and it shines by night Well, I picked up a rose and it poked through my clothes WHEN THE DEAL GOES DOWN
Where wisdom grows up in strife
My bewildering brain, toils in vain
Through the darkness on the pathways of life
Each invisible prayer is like a cloud in the air
Tomorrow keeps turning around
We live and we die, we know not why
But I'll be with you when the deal goes down
Far down the street we stray
I laugh and I cry and I'm haunted by
Things I never meant nor wished to say
The midnight rain follows the train
We all wear the same thorny crown
Soul to soul, our shadows roll
And I'll be with you when the deal goes down
When I scarcely feel the glow
We learn to live and then we forgive
O'r the road we're bound to go
More frailer than the flowers, these precious hours
That keep us so tightly bound
You come to my eyes like a vision from the skies
And I'll be with you when the deal goes down
I followed the winding stream
I heard the deafening noise, I felt transient joys
I know they're not what they seem
In this earthly domain, full of disappointment and pain
You'll never see me frown
I owe my heart to you, and that's sayin' it true
And I'll be with you when the deal goes down
meant to ping you, too.
Been a fan since the 60's, and have almost all of his old stuff. He did blow the call on the song Hurricane though. Almost nothing in the song is accurate.
Too Late. Ye shall know them by their lyrics:
SAVED
I was blinded by the devil,
Born already ruined,
Stone-cold dead
As I stepped out of the womb.
By His grace I have been touched,
By His word I have been healed,
By His hand I've been delivered,
By His spirit I've been sealed.
I've been saved
By the blood of the lamb,
Saved
By the blood of the lamb,
Saved,
Saved,
And I'm so glad.
Yes, I'm so glad,
I'm so glad,
So glad,
I want to thank You, Lord,
I just want to thank You, Lord,
Thank You, Lord.
By His truth I can be upright,
By His strength I do endure,
By His power I've been lifted,
In His love I am secure.
He bought me with a price,
Freed me from the pit,
Full of emptiness and wrath
And the fire that burns in it.
I've been saved
By the blood of the lamb,
Saved
By the blood of the lamb,
Saved,
Saved,
And I'm so glad.
Yes, I'm so glad,
I'm so glad,
So glad,
I want to thank You, Lord,
I just want to thank You, Lord,
Thank You, Lord.
Nobody to rescue me,
Nobody would dare,
I was going down for the last time,
But by His mercy I've been spared.
Not by works,
But by faith in Him who called,
For so long I've been hindered,
For so long I've been stalled.
I've been saved
By the blood of the lamb,
Saved
By the blood of the lamb,
Saved,
Saved,
And I'm so glad.
Yes, I'm so glad, I'm so glad,
So glad, I want to thank You, Lord,
I just want to thank You, Lord,
Thank You, Lord.![]()
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Seems about right.
"...hot-wired to a manifestation of the Holy Spirit."
lol. What an image. 8~)
You never turned around to see the frowns on the jugglers and the clowns
When they all come down and did tricks for you
You never understood that it ain't no good
You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you
You used to ride on the chrome horse with your diplomat
Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat
Ain't it hard when you discover that
He really wasn't where it's at
After he took from you everything he could steal.
How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?
Princess on the steeple and all the pretty people
They're drinkin', thinkin' that they got it made
Exchanging all kinds of precious gifts and things
But you'd better lift your diamond ring, you'd better pawn it babe
You used to be so amused
At Napoleon in rags and the language that he used
Go to him now, he calls you, you can't refuse
When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose
You're invisible now, you got no secrets to conceal.
How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?
LOL. Nobody's perfect, I guess.
I didn't know that, but I'm not surprised. It's as apt today as it was back in '63 or whatever year it was that it was released.
I love radio a lot more than tv, and quite a while back I caught a recast of an interview with Dylan that dated way back. He answered some of the interviewer's questions with a bit of an edge, and I could see why. The questions were either desgined or just happenend to be pigeon hole-y types of questions and he was having none of it.
Amen! I LOVE that song.
From "Beyond the Horizon"...
Beyond the horizon o'r the treacherous sea Beyond the horizon, 'neath crimson skies It's the right time of the season Beyond the horizon, the sky is so blue "It's dark and it's dreary
I've been pleading in vain
I'm wounded, I'm weary
My repentance is plain
I still can't believe that you have set aside your love for me
In the soft light of morning I'll follow you with my eyes
Through countries and kingdoms and temples of stone
Beyond the horizon right down to the bone
Somebody there always cared
There's always a reason
Why someone's life has been spared
I've got more than a lifetime to live lovin' you"
I like it!
That's true, but a little bit of research, instead of just taking Carter's word for the matter would have turned up some Interesting results.
Thanks much.
Is my keyboard now working? hmmmmm Wonder how long this will go on. Is it solved? testing testing . . . The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog's back.
Now is the time for all good Calvinists to come to the aid of Arminians.
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PTL, seems to be OK. Wheeee.
Maybe I can now go post that BCD thread . . . . That should be fun . . . LOL.
Great statistic.
People who say Dylan wasn't political are wrong. Dylan was practically subversive, but it wasn't necessarily the government he hoped to subvert, but the evil in men's hearts.
"You don't need a weather man
To know which way the wind blows..."
LOL. That's almost as cryptic as some of Dylan's lyrics. (And I always enjoy a good clue.) 8~)
"Strange how people who suffer together have stronger connections than people who are most content.
I don't have any regrets, they can talk about me plenty when I'm gone.
You always said people don't do what they believe in, they just do what's most convenient, then they repent.
And I always said, "Hang on to me, baby, and let's hope that the roof stays on."
I like Blood on the tracks and Desire
For some reason the link you gave me made me think of his Chimes of Freedom song, particularly the lines I've made bold:
Far between sundown's finish an' midnight's broken toll
We ducked inside the doorway, thunder crashing
As majestic bells of bolts struck shadows in the sounds
Seeming to be the chimes of freedom flashing
Flashing for the warriors whose strength is not to fight
Flashing for the refugees on the unarmed road of flight
An' for each an' ev'ry underdog soldier in the night
An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing.In the city's melted furnace, unexpectedly we watched
With faces hidden while the walls were tightening
As the echo of the wedding bells before the blowin' rain
Dissolved into the bells of the lightning
Tolling for the rebel, tolling for the rake
Tolling for the luckless, the abandoned an' forsaked
Tolling for the outcast, burnin' constantly at stake
An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing.Through the mad mystic hammering of the wild ripping hail
The sky cracked its poems in naked wonder
That the clinging of the church bells blew far into the breeze
Leaving only bells of lightning and its thunder
Striking for the gentle, striking for the kind
Striking for the guardians and protectors of the mind
An' the unpawned painter behind beyond his rightful time
An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing.Through the wild cathedral evening the rain unraveled tales
For the disrobed faceless forms of no position
Tolling for the tongues with no place to bring their thoughts
All down in taken-for-granted situations
Tolling for the deaf an' blind, tolling for the mute
Tolling for the mistreated, mateless mother, the mistitled prostitute
For the misdemeanor outlaw, chased an' cheated by pursuit
An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing.Even though a cloud's white curtain in a far-off corner flashed
An' the hypnotic splattered mist was slowly lifting
Electric light still struck like arrows, fired but for the ones
Condemned to drift or else be kept from drifting
Tolling for the searching ones, on their speechless, seeking trail
For the lonesome-hearted lovers with too personal a tale
An' for each unharmful, gentle soul misplaced inside a jail
An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing.Starry-eyed an' laughing as I recall when we were caught
Trapped by no track of hours for they hanged suspended
As we listened one last time an' we watched with one last look
Spellbound an' swallowed 'til the tolling ended
Tolling for the aching ones whose wounds cannot be nursed
For the countless confused, accused, misused, strung-out ones an' worse
An' for every hung-up person in the whole wide universe
An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing.
I agree. Subversive in a way similar to the way Christ was subversive, in my view.
I think we forget that Jesus could have easily been thought of as a Radical, and I'm sure he was proclaimed a "heretic", as heresy is a Jewish concept, I think.
Totally unrelated, but this thought put me in the mind of Abraham Kuyper, and a quote of his that I absolutely love:
No single piece of our mental world is to be hermetically sealed off from the rest, and there is not a square inch in the whole domain of our human existence over which Christ, who is Sovereign over all, doesn not cry: Mine!
I really wasn't all that familiar with the lyrics you posted, and I like them.
I hate to bring Nietzsche into the conversation 'cause so many people seem to dislike him, and with good reason, but he's my favorite pagan, and he was absolutely right when he said that that which doesn't kill you makes you stronger. And when you suffer with someone, the bond is intense and for the most part unbreakable.
Lots to consider there.
Amen!
To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified." -- Isaiah 61:1-3 "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
"...the planting of the Lord..."
Thanks, Q. That will take some time to digest, but I'll definitely read it.
While money doesn't talk, it swears
Obscenity, who really cares
Propaganda, all is phony.
I'm with you on that. I'm generally ambivalent about Dylan's music - like some, hate some - but I don't care what his views are any more than I care about what any other entertainer's views are.
if you like that one I think you will like this one two
Foot OF Pride
Like the lion tears the flesh off of a man
So can a woman who passes herself off as a male
They sang "Danny Boy" at his funeral and the Lord's Prayer
Preacher talking 'bout Christ betrayed
It's like the earth just opened and swallowed him up
He reached too high, was thrown back to the ground
You know what they say about bein' nice to the right people on the way up
Sooner or later you gonna meet them comin' down
Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down
Ain't no goin' back
Hear ya got a brother named James, don't forget faces or names
Sunken cheeks and his blood is mixed
He looked straight into the sun and said revenge is mine
But he drinks, and drinks can be fixed
Sing me one more song, about ya love me to the moon and the stranger
And your fall by the sword love affair with Erroll Flynn
in these times of compassion when conformity's in fashion
Say one more stupid thing to me before the final nail is driven in.
Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down
Ain't no goin' back
There's a retired businessman named Red, cast down from heaven and he's out of his head
He feeds off of everyone that he can touch
He said he only deals in cash or sells tickets to a plane crash
He's not somebody that you play around with much
Miss Delilah is his, a Philistine is what she is
She'll do wondrous works with your fate
Feed you coconut bread, spice buns in your bed
If you don't mind sleepin' with your head face down in a grave.
Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down
Ain't no goin' back
Well they'll choose a man for you to meet tonight
You'll play the fool and learn how to walk through doors
How to enter into the gates of paradise
No, how to carry a burden too heavy to be yours
Yeah, from the stage they'll be tryin' to get water outta rocks
A whore will pass the hat, collect a hundred grand and say thanks
They like to take all this money from sin, build big universities to study in
Sing "Amazing Grace" all the way to the Swiss banks
Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down
Ain't no goin' back
They got some beautiful people out there, man
They can be a terror to your mind and show you how to hold your tongue
They got mystery written all over their forehead
They kill babies in the crib and say only the good die young
They don't believe in mercy
Judgment on them is something that you'll never see
They can exalt you up or bring you down main route
Turn you into anything that they want you to be
Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down
Ain't no goin' back
Yes, I guess I loved him too
I can still see him in my mind climbin' that hill
Did he make it to the top, well he probably did and dropped
Struck down by the strength of the will
Ain't nothin' left here partner, just the dust of a plague that has left this whole town afraid
From now on, this'll be where you're from
Let the dead bury the dead. Your time will come
Let hot iron blow as he raised the shade
Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down
Ain't no goin' back
Copyright © 1983 Special Rider Music
Whenever I hear this song I think of that Monty Python foot coming down on someone

That is one scary song by Dylan.
Whenever I hear this song I think of that Monty Python foot coming down on someone
lol. Very appropriate.
"But he drinks, and drinks can be fixed...
He said he only deals in cash or sells tickets to a plane crash...
They got mystery written all over their forehead...
Turn you into anything that they want you to be...
You're right. Lots to think about in that one.
Thank you for the ping Scott and many thanks to Albion Girl for posting this thread.
Bob Dylan absolutely rocks!
Bob Dylan - Charlie Chaplin - Beyond The Horizon
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vUR7Fl-lcAE
Is my memory playing tricks on me or was Liberty Valance at one time a staple of my newspaper and the comic (though it wasn't a comic) strip?
Nice pic, Scott. I like it, and since I've got your attention, can you add me to your Dylan ping list?
Thanks for the ping, Scott
Every Grain of Sand
In the time of my confession, in the hour of my deepest need
When the pool of tears beneath my feet flood every newborn seed
There's a dyin' voice within me reaching out somewhere,
Toiling in the danger and in the morals of despair.
Don't have the inclination to look back on any mistake,
Like Cain, I now behold this chain of events that I must break.
In the fury of the moment I can see the Master's hand
In every leaf that trembles, in every grain of sand.
Oh, the flowers of indulgence and the weeds of yesteryear,
Like criminals, they have choked the breath of conscience and good cheer.
The sun beat down upon the steps of time to light the way
To ease the pain of idleness and the memory of decay.
I gaze into the doorway of temptation's angry flame
And every time I pass that way I always hear my name.
Then onward in my journey I come to understand
That every hair is numbered like every grain of sand.
I have gone from rags to riches in the sorrow of the night
In the violence of a summer's dream, in the chill of a wintry light,
In the bitter dance of loneliness fading into space,
In the broken mirror of innocence on each forgotten face.
I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me.
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand.
"Tonight I'll be Staying Here With You"
I should have left this town this morning
But it was more than I could do.
Oh, your love comes on so strong
And I've waited all day long
For tonight when I'll be staying here with you.
Is it really any wonder
The love that a stranger might receive.
You cast your spell and I went under,
I find it so difficult to leave.
I can hear that whistle blowin',
I see that stationmaster, too,
If there's a poor boy on the street,
Then let him have my seat
'Cause tonight I'll be staying here with you.
Throw my ticket out the window,
Throw my suitcase out there, too,
Throw my troubles out the door,
I don't need them any more
'Cause tonight I'll be staying here with you.
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