Posted on 06/27/2006 4:48:54 AM PDT by Caravaggio
How did Nicole Kidman, one-time spouse of Tom Cruise, get re-married in a Catholic church if she didn't have an annulment? Clue: she wasn't actually married before.
Nicole Kidman's wedding to country singer Keith Urban in Sydney at the weekend drew plenty of media attention.
But some Catholics will have looked on perplexed at how the former bride of actor Tom Cruise managed to tie the knot for a second time, in a Catholic church.
It was widely reported in the run up to the weekend wedding that Ms Kidman had received an annulment for her previous marriage - the Catholic Church's procedure for allowing a follower to wed again.
Father Paul Coleman, who conducted the latest nuptials, was said to have advised the Oscar-winning actress on the dissolution.
In fact, Kidman didn't need an annulment for one simple reason: in the eyes of the Catholic Church her 10-year union with Tom Cruise, a renowned Scientologist, never happened.
I thought that was what an annulment was -- a statement that the marriage never existed in the eyes of the church. Which makes one wonder whether the marriage was ever consummated.
As I understand it, no statement is necessary because the facts are not in dispute. Had she married Tom in a Catholic church, she would need an annulment.
If she had married Tom Cruise in a Christian wedding, then the question of annulment would arise. A Scientology "marriage" doesn't even raise the issue.
Add the Swimmer to that list.
Joe Kenedy had his first marriage annuled. His kids were suddenly "illegitimate."
Cruise and Kidman's marriage was never recognized in the Catholic Church because Cruise was divorced from Mimi Rogers before marrying Kidman. The Catholic Church does not sanction divorce and therefore considers Cruise to be still married to Mimi Rogers.
This is a confusing article.... first it says she didn't have an annulment, then it says she did, then it says she didn't again!
Kerry didn't get re-married in the church. A judge married them at the Heinz house, iirc. In the eyes of the church they are living in sin.
"If she had married Tom Cruise in a Christian wedding, then the question of annulment would arise..."
When did this change? I was married by a Baptist minister and my marriage wasn't considered a marriage. It was outside the Church.
And yes, we have corrected our error and married in the Church!
That was my first thought too! But chances are that Kidman has been very well paid to not reveal any details about her sex life (or lack thereof) with Cruise.
And yet the Church gave the OK to Jackie and Ari.
How interesting. Then a person who marries a non-Catholic never needs an annulment while two Catholics who marry needs one? Seems to me this would be an incentive to marry outside the Church.
How about two Catholic homosexuals? Are they OK with the Church since the Church wouldn't recognize their "marriage"? Things sure get complicated.
Jackie Kennedy's husband was no longer living, that doesn't require any Church permission.
I still don't understand it and unfortunately am beginning to wonder if this was just a money-grab by the church.
She paid some indulgences?
Actually, I found something saying that the marriage was Greek Orthodox and the Catholic Church never recognized it.
http://openweb.tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/1968-10/1968-10-18-NBC-7.html
Legitimacy is a civil issue, not a church issue. If they were considered married at some point civilly, then the kids were legitimate.
Actually, an annulment says that a marriage was "Sacramentally flawed" meaning, basically that it was doomed from the outset.
If I recall correctly the three primary reasons for annulment are: Abuse, Heresy (not sure that's the word they use), or due discretion.
So for instance, living together prior to marriage shows that those entering into the union are living in a state of sin (heresy) and don't understand the Sacrament.
I.E. the Cruise marriage is invalid because he is a crazy heretic....due discretion and heresy.
Now from what I understand Ted K. really abused his ex, turning her into a crazy alcoholic AND has publicly advocated things contrary to the teachings of the Church, therefore.....
And to address the mixed marriages, most Priests if doing there job will have the previously married person fill out a form that is submitted to the Tribunal to figure out if the marriage was valid "in the eyes of the Church".
Those bastards! (Sorry it was there)
If I remember correctly, if the Catholic marries a person of ANY faith in a CATHOLIC ceremony, they are bound in marriage. If a Catholic is married [even to another Catholic] in ANY ceremony other than in the Catholic Church [where marriage is a sacrament], they are not.
Yes, this is exactly what happened to me. My first wife had been married previously, so when I married my current wife, the Catholic Church determined that my first marriage was invalid- I did not even need to apply for an annulment.
I wish them the best of luck. Be fruitful and multiply, try to attend church more than once a year and adhere to the church's teachings on the killing of unborn children.
not true, not now. Both John Kerry and his wife Theresa are both widows in the eyes of the church. Yes, Theresa's husband died before she married John, but John's ex wife recently died, therefore their marriage is legit.
I guess it depends on the situation. My husband and I were married by a Protestant pastor, when we were both Protestants, and the Catholic Church considers that a Christian marriage. (I checked!) We had a Catholic blessing of our marriage, but that was not required.
Maybe there were some other issues regarding your marriage?
Anyway, a Scientology "marriage" isn't even on the charts!
>>>>>not true, not now. Both John Kerry and his wife Theresa are both widows in the eyes of the church.
if they went to confession and had a Catholic marriage. But my point was, they didn't have a Catholic wedding. They married (civilly) at one of her vacations houses.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1119426/posts
KERRY CAN’T DODGE CATHOLIC ISSUE - no evidence Kerry and Heinz married by Catholic Church
I have been through the process of annulment application myself. I am Catholic and my wife is a divorced non-Catholic. The Catholic Church recognizes her first Lutheran marriage as legitimate. We tried to get her previous marriage annuled, but were denied. Our marriage, therefore, is not recognized by the Catholic Church.
Annulment is not as easy as some would think. There are certain reasons for which an annulment will be granted: If there is significant spousal abuse, one spouse refuses to have children, one spouse turns out to be homosexual and other serious reasons. Cheating, substance abuse, neglect, irreconcilable differences - all good reasons for civil divorce - are not accepted as reasons by the Catholic Church. Most importantly, you can't "buy" an annulment.
I see your point. However, if Kerry and Heinz wanted to have a Catholic ceremony now I think they could seeing they are both considered widows now. But what do I know, I'm not a Catholic and could care less if the Catholic church considers me married or not,lol!
It's simple really.....Nicole's botox and cosmetic surgery procedures left her unrecognizable so they assumed it was a different person.
No, this article is badly confused.
A Catholic who marries in a non-Catholic ceremony without permission from his/her bishop ("dispensation of form") contracts an invalid marriage. (It actually doesn't matter whether the other spouse is a Catholic or not.) If the Catholic then gets divorced and wishes to remarry, he or she needs to get a decree of nullity ("annulment") -- which, AFAIK, Ms. Kidman got -- which is based on "defect of form" and is very easy to get.
Validly baptized non-Catholics aren't required to marry in a Catholic ceremony, but once married, their marriage is considered a sacrament by the Church and would require a full-scale annulment proceeding if they divorced and wanted to remarry. (That is, "defect of form" wouldn't apply.)
Ditto for Catholic(s) married in a Catholic ceremony, or in a non-Catholic ceremony with a dispensation.
As far as two homosexuals, that's not a "marriage" in the eyes of the church at all.
You are all wrong...
You pays your money- you gets to do what ya want...
I was married in a church- tried to get it annulled so I could marry in a church again... they said no.
But if I paid $400 they would do it.
I have never been back to that church again
"Maybe there were some other issues regarding your marriage?"
Nope. First marriage for both of us. He was Protestant and I am Catholic. Marrying outside the sacrament of marriage was the only factor.
He is now becoming Catholic.
No. That has nothing to do with it. What matters is whether or not you were married in the Catholic Church.
Two Catholics who marry outside the Church are considered unmarried and a Catholic who marries a non-Catholic in the Catholic Church is considered married.
That's what an annulment is.
No they weren't.
Nah, if anything annulments are a loss leader, in that they usually cost more than what the party pays, and if the party can't afford one they get theirs for free or at a reduced rate.
Clarification: you don't pay for an anullment you pick up part of the cost of an annulment.
There are unscrupulous clerics in every religion. Apparently you found one. Even if you had paid the $400, your "annulment" would not have been legitimate. You should report those involved so the shakedowns can be stopped.
Therefore, an annullment is logical.
Huh. Who knows?
TYG, see post #37. The difference seems to be that you were Catholic and married in a non-Catholic ceremony, while my husband and I were both Protestants at the time of our marriage.
MAKING MEMORIES OF US:
I'm gonna be here for you baby
I'll be a man of my own word
Speak the language in a voice that you have never heard
I wanna sleep with you forever
And I wanna die in your arms
In a cabin by a meadow where the wild bees swarm
(Chorus:)
And I'm gonna love you like nobody loves you
And I'll earn your trust making memories of us
I wanna honor your mother
And I wanna learn from your pa
I wanna steal your attention like a bad outlaw
I wanna stand out in a crowd for you
A man among men
I wanna make your world better than it's ever been
Chorus
We'll follow the rainbow
Wherever the four winds blow
And there'll be a new day
Comin' your way
I'm gonna be here for you from now on
This you know somehow
You've been stretched to the limits but it's alright now
And I'm gonna make you a promise
If there's life after this
I'm gonna be there to meet you with a warm, wet kiss
And I'm gonna love you like nobody loves you
And I'll earn your trust makin' memories of us
And I'm gonna love you like nobody loves you
And I'll win your trust makin memories of us
John Kerry's ex-wife was alive at the time of the '04 election, and made supportive statements about him in the media. Her death must be fairly recent.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/4/28/231352.shtml
Yes, very recent and it was also posted on here sometime back.
The Church can make an exception if She deems it to be a merciful act.:) Scientology is such a pile of rubbish that Nicole is allowed an exception, although we don't know all the details. People make mistakes and marrying Cruise was a huge one for Nicole, at least it looks that way.
It is a gorgeous song, and he is rather gorgeous too. I didn't notice his hair. ;)
Scientology is such a pile of rubbish that the Church probably considers that "marriage" the same as if they were just living together.
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