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Archaic Words in the NIV
Jesus is Savior.com ^ | unknown | Dr. L. Vance

Posted on 05/25/2006 7:14:13 PM PDT by Full Court

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To: DJ MacWoW; Ramius
sowing discord

Au contraire!

Discord can only be sown by those who seek to destroy the Word of God, not by those who proclaim it's significance!

21 posted on 05/25/2006 8:27:16 PM PDT by Full Court ("Lord, open the eyes of the King of England")
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To: DJ MacWoW; Ramius
Ain't that the truth. If I'd known this was a "my Bible's better than YOUR Bible" thread, I would have avoided it like the plague.

Yes, but there's no plague in my Bible...

22 posted on 05/25/2006 8:29:58 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: David Allen
How are you going to make that better? Do we update Shakespeare? Yes, but not usually and not entirely.

Are you suggesting that Jesus actually spoke in Shakespearean English, hence the 1611 translation's distinct verbiage?

23 posted on 05/25/2006 8:30:43 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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To: Alex Murphy
Are you suggesting that Jesus actually spoke in Shakespearean English, hence the 1611 translation's distinct verbiage?

And he spoke it very slowly...with a British accent...

24 posted on 05/25/2006 8:31:34 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Full Court

But you're looney. So... there's that.

Enjoy your KJV. Please. Be happy. If your understanding is that shallow, then by all means, don't stress out over it. But there's nothing special about the KJV. It's just another, and not even that good, opinion.


25 posted on 05/25/2006 8:33:15 PM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1100 knives and counting!)
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To: Full Court; Ramius

Just so you know, your attitude in post 13 is why I avoid the Religion threads. ALL Christians should be praising God and NOT arguing whose Bible is "better", sprinkle or dunk, are Catholics REALLY Christians? I've never met a nastier group of people. Those who really love God don't knock other believers.


26 posted on 05/25/2006 8:34:52 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Alex Murphy

No, but I am suggesting the KJV of the Bible has literary value the new versions lack, and frankly, it's more interesting than the tepid versions modern publishers favor.

Imagine a well-known orchestrial tune. That's the KJV.

Now imagine the middle school marching band version. That's the modern versions of the Bible - poor imitations that are technically "the same."


27 posted on 05/25/2006 8:36:26 PM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Yes, but there's no plague in my Bible...

*gasp* You mean.........Egypts plague of locusts was removed?! ;)

28 posted on 05/25/2006 8:36:57 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
*gasp* You mean.........Egypts plague of locusts was removed?! ;)

Well, it's pretty archaic...

29 posted on 05/25/2006 8:40:01 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands
And he spoke it very slowly...with a British accent...

And by coincidence, first century Israelite architecture and clothing styles predated the Italian Renaissance by almost seventeen centuries....

30 posted on 05/25/2006 8:42:51 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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To: Corin Stormhands

My daughter just informed me that it wasn't a plague of locusts, that you're right that it's archaic. She says it was a "a marching band of mighty big bugs". And the boils and sores were sparkly pink blisters. LOL!!


31 posted on 05/25/2006 8:42:53 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

My son's band concert was tonight. Your daughter may be on to something...


32 posted on 05/25/2006 8:45:30 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Full Court

What if you do not speak english?


33 posted on 05/25/2006 8:46:46 PM PDT by ThomasThomas
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To: DJ MacWoW

Amen. It's fine to talk about the versions, but the message ought to get through no matter.

I work with a ministry that deals with prisoners, their families, and young people incarcerated. We distribute Bibles, and we have a version for teens. I'm not going to name it, but it's geared towards teens.

I take the parable of the sower for what Jesus said. Those who have ears, let them hear.


34 posted on 05/25/2006 8:46:50 PM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: Full Court

>>However, recent computerized document analysis programs have objectively revealed that the King James Version of the Bible is in far easier to read than the NIV or the NASB.<<

This is borderline idiocy. First of all, there is no way to "objectively" rate one version easier to read than the other. People read different ways and on different levels. Second, if there were a way to determine objectively which one is easier to read, it sure wouldn't be the KJV, at least not compared to the NASB. I don't personally like the NIV translation, but it too is far easier to read.

Consider the following verse:

Mark 1: 10-12

(KJV)
[10] And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
[11] And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
[12] And immediately the Spirit driveth him into the wilderness.

(NASB)
10 Immediately coming up out of the water, He saw the heavens opening, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon Him;
11 and a voice came out of the heavens: "You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased."
12 Immediately the Spirit impelled Him to go out into the wilderness.

(NIV)
10 As Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove.
11 And a voice came from heaven: "You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased."
12 At once the Spirit sent him out into the desert,

In this passage, the NIV is clearly easier to read, while the NASB has some modern language benefits. I challenge you to show me 10 passages of scripture that illustrate the KJV is easier to read than either translation. As soon as the words, thou, thine, and anything ending in "ith", you lose. Those words by themselves make the KJV harder to read because we don't talk like that or read anything like that.

If you like the KJV, that's great. I don't have anything against it. But to say it is "objectively" easier to read is as absurd as saying the moon is made of green cheese.


35 posted on 05/25/2006 8:48:07 PM PDT by 1L
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To: Corin Stormhands
My son's band concert was tonight. Your daughter may be on to something...

Oh dear. That bad? Oh my. LOLOL

36 posted on 05/25/2006 8:48:35 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: David Allen
Amen and Amen.

I was teaching 3 to 6 year olds and they were not paying attention to the very expensive curriculum that the church bought. So I got a Bible geared to children and put away the idiot story book. The very first Sunday I read from it, the noisiest boy in my class had his hand up in a heartbeat. "Teacher! I can't hear. Can I shut the door?" I never again had a problem with the kids not paying attention. They knew they were getting it "straight" from God. And they never asked what version it was.

37 posted on 05/25/2006 8:53:55 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: All

As President Nixon used to say "let me be perfectly clear."

I have only been talking about my preference. I was raised on KJV, and that was the only Bible I ever read the first 25 years of my life. So it's what feels good. When I hear my daddy talking about the Bible (in my head, RIP), I hear him quoting the KJV.

So I got that goin' for me.

Whatever floats your boat, but I like this one.


38 posted on 05/25/2006 8:58:40 PM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I can still remember the little books we got in Sunday school that had pictures and told the stories like comic books. The parables. The plagues. The parting of the Red Sea. The life of Jesus.

But I remember it was fun being read to from the Bible. Man, some of the stories are awesome. The story of Gideon and the torches. When I was a kid, I can remember envisioning that whole thing while my mom read it to me. We had homework for Bible Study in those days, and you had to do it on Saturday night. You also had to shine your good shoes.


39 posted on 05/25/2006 9:03:52 PM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: David Allen
Man, some of the stories are awesome.

The story of the four lepers is a pretty good one; as it includes the
comeuppance for the fellow that doubted things could turn around.
40 posted on 05/25/2006 9:09:23 PM PDT by VOA
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