Posted on 03/28/2006 6:01:01 AM PST by NYer
Vatican City, March 28 - Non-believers and people of other religions are volunteering their testimony to Catholic officials working for the beatification of the late John Paul II .
Procedures leading to the Polish pontiff's beatification began last summer and since then messages from people attesting to his saintliness have arrived from around the globe, Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said .
"They come from people who say they are agnostics, non-believers, even Muslims, Buddhists or Hindus. They say that they would like their testimony to be officially recognised by the Church," he said .
Monsignor Slawomir Oder, the Polish priest overseeing John Paul's cause, spoke in the Italian press on Tuesday about five of the letters he has received from non-Catholics .
He recalled the case of an Anglican man who said he had been freed of a longstanding "pain" after dreaming of John Paul and an Orthodox Christian woman who said her son was cured of depression thanks to the pontiff's "intercession" .
In comments to Corriere della Sera, Father Oder also mentioned a Jewish man, a Hindu woman and a Muslim woman who he said "expressed admiration" for John Paul .
Thanks to his successor, Pope Benedict XVI, the Polish pontiff's cause is on a fast track. Procedures began with a ceremony in Rome on June 28 last year, less than three months after his death on April 2 .
Although it is expected to be relatively speedy, it remains unclear how long the complicated process will take .
However, one of the key obstacles appears to have been overcome. Msgr Oder and his team believe they have found the 'miracle' which would take him halfway to being declared a saint .
Oder said earlier this year that detailed investigations were now focusing on the mysterious case of a French nun who was apparently cured of the symptoms of Parkinson's disease after praying for the intercession of John Paul II .
For somebody to be beatified, promoters of the candidate must show that a miracle has taken place thanks to his or her heavenly intervention. Most miracles are medically inexplicable cures .
Miracles have to be certified as such by a medical panel as well as by cardinals .
Msgr Oder has said that process of information gathering - both on the miracle and the 'heroic virtue' of John Paul - still has several months to go .
Miracles tied to John Paul II include 'special' one in China
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Thank you ((*NYer*)) our Karol. "Learn His Majesty servant of true love." Life is life. Humility is humility. Love is love.
"Silence in heart of a holy man."thank you all.
***even Muslims, Buddhists or Hindus****
How many votes do they get?
Joining you in prayer, anonymoussierra.
Thank you for the ping Sara.
I suspect that you already knew that, too. They're still welcome to express their opinion. I'm sure that Monsignor Slawomir Oder would love to hear from you, too. I'm sure you have some invaluable insight into the matter.
"Joining you in prayer."
Amen. thank you all
Grazie (((*Salvation*)))
Why is everyone in Rome so enthralled with the Muslim vote?
BTW, Did you see the pictures of me crossing the Tiber?
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
I saw the pics ... They're more or less what I've come to expect from you.
It isn't.
BTW, are you familiar with the term "begging the question"?
But not one second before.
Right.
Then why issue a press release and make a big hairy deal out of their endorsement?
Check out my post 17
"They come from people who say they are agnostics, non-believers, even Muslims, Buddhists or Hindus. They say that they would like their testimony to be officially recognised by the Church,"
Those mohammedans are already starting to look small ... Go back to the article. Read the specific references to the Anglican man and the Orthodox woman ... followed by unspecific references to three nonbelievers, representing three large groups of nonbelievers. The mohammedan gets last billing. The point is to show that favourable commentary is coming from a wide variety of sources. "Big hairy deal"??? There's only one person I see making a big hairy deal out of it.
He's not in Rome ... or even Vatican City.
But he did go there once.
We Catholics have known that since Mad Mo came roaring out of the desert with fire and the sword. We fought several crusades against them. Beat them back in the Holy Land for a couple of generations. Drove them out of Spain and Austria. A Polish king was responsible for the latter. FWIW. Looks like we need to have another go at it.
Are you kidding?!? They got the bloody headline! Bold Font! 14pt!
Some of you who are so enamoured with the mohammedans won't get the point until something tragic happens at the Vatican ala 11 September.
he did go there once
Yup. Kinda liked it.
You been yet?
If so, what was your favorite part?
If not, whatcha wainting on?
Uno dear *Gamecock* it is not Rome:}}}} This is Watykan. "Live in love and peace. In love is wisdom." thank you.
Yup. Bold font. 14 pt. That was generated by ...
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wait for it ...
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Yup. You guessed it!
It was generated by freerepublic.com.
In California.
USA.
Not Rome.
Go follow the link ... to an Italian newspaper. That's actually a subhead. It comes across to me more like pleasantly surprised amazement, than 'fawning' or 'making a big hairy deal'.
whatcha wainting on?
a) $$$$$$
b) Time. Mrs. Bustard is in grad school. We're gonna have a blow-out party when she gets her degree.
Careful. If the Muslems think Pope John Paul II is a holy man, they will kill anyone showing pictures of him.
JP2's religious indifferentism and weak handling of the crises in the Church, even when he was able-bodied, makes me question his memory.
In my opinion, he was no St. Pius X; he was no St. Leo the Great, nor was he any St. Pius V who said no to heresy.
JP2 had a spine of linguini when it came to the pressing issues of the Church, and instead he chose to give the Church more arsenic through his promotion of phony ecumenism, the charismatic "renewal," etc.
I can't say anything against his personal character, but his orthodoxy in the light of 2,000 years of Tradition is questionable, at least in my mind.
So everybody says. I'm looking forward to it.
So you FR brother mad it bold 14 point.
No, (s)he did not.
FR itself did. Post an article, you'll see what I mean. As for the rest, I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. If only the mohammedan were mentioned ... or even if the mohammedan were the only nonbeliever mentioned ... I' think you had a point.
I appreciate your honesty.
Peace
That picture of the funeral--that little wooden coffin with its book--says so much. John Paul II died last year and I still haven't really gotten over it.
I asked him for help this morning, to help me conquer my heavy drinking, does this count?
Ironically I have switched from white wine to red after the funeral, can't drink white wine anymore.
Right now I'm just a confused Presbyterian with her nose pressed against the Catholic glass. Muslims and Jews, okay, but do the opinions of lowly Protestants count? (For the record, go try to find a picture of JPII or Benedict XVI in a "Christian" bookshop; you'd be better off looking for a painting of Great Cthulhu...)
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