Posted on 12/26/2005 11:19:28 AM PST by Markjwyatt
Theo:Of course there is! Is called parallax. The stars "shift" position against the background as the Earth moves around the Sun. Of course, this only can be measured on the closest stars. The farther off a star is, the more difficult it gets to measure its parallax."
Parallax can be explained in geocentric theory, also. Sorry.
See Part I of Geocentricity 101.
Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com
No he doesn't. Fundamentalist Protestants are philo-Semitic, but Sungenis has bought into the notion that everything from the Federal Reserve to the UN to the Scofield Reference Bible is the plot of The Jewish Conspiracy.
Ironically, I used to correspond with him and was not bothered in the least by his geocentrism (I'd be tickled pink to learn the first great scientific revolution was a fraud). It's when he went nutso blaming the Jews for everything that I dropped him like a hot coal. Orthodox Judaism (unlike even the most conservative Catholcism) teaches that the Torah was dictated by G-d letter for letter, Moses writing it down, but some ultra-right Catholics apparently even blame Biblical criticism on the Jews. Sick, sick, sick.
Unfortunately, Zionist Conspirator is correct. Just look at the man's website. He's obsessed with the Jews and pretty much everything he has to say about them is negative. This goes back a long way with him. He even thinks the Jews are to blame for JFK's assassination!
Well, in a way this is true. To our minds, we are the only certain fixed point.
He wasn't always that way. I used to correspond with him, and it was a very pleasant surprise to find a Roman Catholic so dedicated to Biblical inerrancy and to creationism. I was actually happy to learn later he became a geocentrist and it didn't bother me in the least. Unfortunately he followed those same sources to their anti-Semitism and imbibed it as well.
Orthodox Judaism is the unknown religion. Everyone in America names it as one of the "great religions" yet most of them are totally ignorant of its actual contents. How many people know what a hosha`-na' bundle is, or a lulav cluster, or are familiar with the Jewish prayers?
Orthodox Judaism still insists that the Torah was written by G-d Himself and dictated to Moses letter for letter. Everything in it (though not necessarily recorded in chronological order) actually happened. Unless they are out-and-out heretics, even the evolutionists among Orthodox Jews immediately switch gears and become literalists once Adam arrives on the scene of Day Six. Unfortunately, none of this is known to most people, nor do Orthodox Jews make a point of saying any of this out loud. Defining themselves primarily as "a religious minority" rather than by the positive content of their religion, they have come to depend on secularism to protect them from the bogeyman of "chr*stian theocracy," and their spokemen have invested so much in criticizing chr*stian fundamentalism that they can't really reveal their own, can they?
It's a mess!
You're right, ZC. He wasn't always this way. Or maybe he was but didn't come out in public and say so like he does now.
He's back to using sources associated with Nazis again btw.
http://fringewatcher.blogspot.com/
I fail to understand though how anti-Semites can simultaneously accuse Jews of egalitarianism and supremacism . . . unless they're objecting to the Universal G-d of all mankind choosing one nation out of all the others for a special mission. Could that be what they're objecting to when they scream about "supremacist egalitarians?"
An excellent insight, ZC! Seriously. In reading Sungenis, I very much get a feeling of sibling rivalry.
And in his ravings agains the idea that the Jewish people as a whole will eventually recognize Christ toward the end of time, it looks like a variation on the theme of the Prodigal Son. Maybe Sungenis can't stand the idea that his elder brothers will be welcomed back with open arms and a party to boot?
Read www.sungenisandthejews.com and you'll see alot more there, too.
Sungenis doesn't even believe the Jews will be converted? Aside from the fact that that's one thing we hold in common (me from the opposite theological position), I'm really surprised about that. I thought that was an almost universal chr*stian position. He sounds like he wants Israel to replace `Amaleq as "the accursed nation." You know, there were some in the Middle Ages who believed the Ten Lost Tribes would actually make up the armies of "antichrist," so he doesn't seem to be the first one to hold such a position. As a matter of fact, one of the ultra-rightwing Catholic web sites has an article entitled "The Chosen People is now the Accursed Race." Yech!
And speaking of the charge that Jews don't care when churches are desecrated, American liberal Jews seem to care very much when Black churches in the South are torched (despite the Biblical Fundamentalism of their members) while people like Sungenis seem to always exempt Blacks and Hispanics from chr*stian brotherhood in favor of the Arabs.
ZC there is definitely something weird in those circles regarding the way they look at Arabs and Islam. Arabs/Muslims can come right out and say they want to kill us all or put us all under Sharia and it gets a big yawn from these people. Kill hundreds of thousands of Christians in Africa? Yawn. Behead a few Christians? What? Did something happen?
But they will scour the internet to try and prove secret Jewish conspiracies to take over the world. It's whacked.
About Jews converting, I didn't know how much evidence there was for this until I read www.sungenisandthejews.com. The last section has pages and pages of quotes from Fathers, Saints, Scholars and Popes. Of course, Sungenis is keen on the idea that the Antichrist will be a Jew. He didn't need much evidence to get on board THAT boat.
Really, I'm a very conservative Catholic, but all of this makes me nauseous. This isn't about conservative or liberal at all.
The Church has written and done so much to move things in a positive direction with Jews especially recently and then you get people like this that just seem to hate it and want to undermine it.
I was Catholic for six years and I was a real anomaly--since I was from a Fundamentalist Protestant background I was both ultra-conservative and pro-Jewish. Whenever I found someone in the Church who shared my ultra-conservatism they hated the Jews, and whenever I found someone who shared my love for the Jews they were liberal whackjobs!
Why does the entire rest of the world outside the Bible Belt regard philo-Semitism as an exclusively liberal attitude based on compassion for an historically oppressed minority? Is it so hard to love the Jews simply because they're the People of the Book, the Chosen People? I don't get it!
The "Jewish world conspiracy" all these nutsos are always referring to is simply the Messianic Kingdom of G-d on earth as predicted by all the Prophets. Jews won't talk about it, so HaShem has raised up these people as a punishment. If Jews ever start teaching the world about the Kingdom of G-d they will disappear.
Interesting reply once again. I have very many "conservative" Catholic friends. Not a single has a problem with Jews.
It looks like the ones who call themselves "Traditionalist" are the ones with the problem. Still looks like sibling jealousy...the ones who think Jews have no business being grafted back on because they've been away so long. Or if they do come back, they better darn well be under Gentile control and LIKE it. Weird. Prodigal son story with a twist.
The fact that these people are so obsessed with attacking Jews is kind of a proof that there is still "something special" about them...even if in a backhanded kind of testimony!
BTW...what is your religion now? Sorry if I missed it.
I'm a Noachide, which is G-d's religion for non-Jews.
Very interesting. While I knew about Noachides, I have have never met one (at least not that I know of). That must have been an interesting journey.
I do know Jews who believe in Christ now. Almost always very fascinating stories, too. I just finished reading an excellent book by a man named Roy Shoeman called Salvation is from the Jews. I think it makes a good bridge between the two sides in a lot of ways. Have you ever read it?
I'll bet you'd find it very interesting, but you might not agree with everything in it. Still, some excellent and thought-provoking information in it, regardless.
Most identifying Noachides live in the Bible Belt, btw . . . you know, the part of the country where Jews are allegedly hung from lampposts by "ignorant Bible-thumpers" who interpret the Book of Genesis literally? I'm still trying to figure out how anyone could construe a literal interpretation of Genesis as anti-Semitic.
And finally, I can out Bible-thump any chr*stian (it helps if you can actually read it!).
LOL (in reaction to the entire note).
And you might not disagree with as much as you think. There's a big section on the Nazis and there pagan roots etc. Very interesting.
Weird regarding the reaction of interpreting the Book of Genesis literally. I don't get it.
What's not to get? The stereotype is that if you're a "Bible-thumper" you must be anti-Semitic (since "everyone knows" that Jews are all atheists, union organizers, and dirty nightclub comics [sarcasm]), when the fact is that Noachides are Bible-thumpers.
Please don't tell me you don't get this either!
In a way, geocentrism has a valid meaning. All of our observations are from this place in the universe, and so far as man is concerned he is the center of the universe. Likewise all knowledge is anthropocentric. Even Revelation must be expressed in human terms, so that God is described in Anthropeic terms. The culmination of this, of course, is the doctrine of the Incarnation. When the Vulcans land, of course, all this will change ;-)
LOL...No, I mean that I don't get why people expect a Bible-thumper to be Anti-Semitic. I know many staunch Evangelicals that might qualify as "Bible-Thumpers" that are anything but Anti-Semitic. Ditto for some of my very orthodox Catholic friends....self included!
When the Vulcans land, it will be because they came here looking for Christ.
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