Still Proud Of Bishops He Gave U.S.

DOTM ^ | September 26, 2002 | Paul Likoudis

[Arguss]

"You obviously have me confused with someone else."

I apologize. I thought you were going to the Eastern Orthodox Church, and had a problem with those who were unhappy with the Roman Rite.

I guess I need a program to keep up with things around here.

[Land of the Irish]

Because everyone on this thread is aware that Paul VI gave the Church most of the rogues that high-jacked us.

I beg to differ with you. From various sources:

"Cardinal Roger Michael Mahony was appointed Archbishop of Los Angeles by Pope John Paul II on July 16, 1985 He was installed as the fourth Archbishop of Los Angeles on September 5, 1985. Pope John Paul II created him a cardinal on June 28, 1991."

"Following the death of John Cardinal Cody of Chicago, Pope John Paul II appointed the promising Archbishop Bernardin to perhaps the preeminent See in the United States – the Archdiocese of Chicago. On August 25, 1982, Bernardin was installed as the Archbishop of Chicago by the Apostolic Delegate, the Most Reverend Pio Laghi."

"Pope John Paul made him ((Bernard Law) archbishop of Boston in January 1984 and the following year made him a cardinal."

"In March of 1981 Pope John Paul II made him a Prelate of Honor. on November 19, 1981 Pope John Paul II appointed Msgr. O'Brien the third Bishop of Phoenix. He was consecrated at St. Peter's Basilica in Rome by Pope John Paul II on January 6th and installed in Phoenix on January 18, 1982."

"Cardinal Walter Kasper was born in Heidenheim-Brenz, Germany, in 1933 and was ordained in 1957. An accomplished theologian and author of many books and articles, Kasper studied at the University of Tübingen where he later became professor of dogmatic theology. He taught at the Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C., in 1983. In 1987 he was ordained bishop of Rottenberg-Stuttgart, Germany."

"Father Cawcutt (of Capetown, South Africa) was created a bishop in 1992."

"In 1981 Bishop Ryan was named by Pope John Paul II titular bishop of Surista and auxiliary to the Most Reverend Joseph L. Imesch, Bishop of Joliet, and was ordained bishop by Bishop Imesch, September 30, 1981.

In 1983 Bishop Ryan was appointed by Pope John Paul II seventh Bishop of the See of Springfield in Illinois, succeeding Bishop Joseph A. McNicholas, deceased, and was installed as diocesan bishop in the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception, Springfield, January 18, 1984."

[NYer]

I apologize.

Apologies accepted ... and thank you!

I thought you were going to the Eastern Orthodox Church, and had a problem with those who were unhappy with the Roman Rite.

Actually, I am a Roman Catholic who attends an Eastern Catholic Church, which has NEVER separated from Rome.

A Roman rite Catholic may attend any Eastern Catholic Liturgy and fulfill his of her obligations at and Eastern Catholic Parish. A Roman rite Catholic may join any Eastern Catholic Parish and receive any sacrament from an Eastern Catholic priest, since all belong to the Catholic Church as a whole.

I guess I need a program to keep up with things around here.

.... or a scorecard! ;-D

[ultima ratio]

Some of his early work--Seven Storey Mountain and The Sign of Jonas, especially--are inspired. His later work was trash. By the late sixties he had taken a left turn and was digging into eastern mysticism; he also entered into an affair with the young nurse he had met during a stay in a Kentucky hospital. Since he was living alone in a hermitage in the woods by this time, he was able to arrange to see her frequently. He also partied a good deal with his New York friends. So much for the benefits of contemplative life...

[ultima ratio]

"Didn't the pope personally ratify all these selections?
Why then lay all the blame at the feet of Jean Jadot?"

Exactly. And I have noticed that JPII actually rejected the resignations of some of these reprobates when they reached the age of retirement, ignoring the pleas of thousands of faithful who suffer under such men. The Pope was not, and is not, as unhappy with them as some here would have others suppose. If he were, he would have imposed some discipline on wayward bishops long ago. Instead they continue to plague the people. During the present pontificate, moreover, John Paul has not elevated a single traditional bishop, the sole exception being the Bishop of Campos. That is a disgraceful record and tells us all we really need to know about where he's coming from. Perverts and apostates and incompetents are routinely favored and elevated--but not traditionalists. The Pope has got the Church he wanted as a result.

[Grey Ghost II]

The Pope has got the Church he wanted as a result.

Bingo. I know of know other organization in the world where everyone is held culpable except the person in charge.

[Land of the Irish]

I know of no other organization in the world where everyone is held culpable except the person in charge.

Except, of course, for CBS and Dan Rather.

[saradippity]

Bernsrdin was installed as a bishop in 1968,Mahoney and Law in 73,so those three are Paul's rogues. Jadot was called back to Rome in June of 1980,in May of 1981 Pope John Paul II was shot and critically injured. On August 14th he was released from the hospital a second time. In September Ryan was elevated and in November of the same year,O'Brien. Connect the dots.

I said everyone knows that Paul VI stacked the deck with most of the rogues. I guess I thought you knew too,evidently I was wrong. You need to study up.

[saradippity]

Bernsrdin was installed as a bishop in 1968,Mahoney and Law in 73,so those three are Paul's rogues. Jadot was called back to Rome in June of 1980,in May of 1981 Pope John Paul II was shot and critically injured. On August 14th he was released from the hospital a second time. In September Ryan was elevated and in November of the same year,O'Brien. Connect the dots.

I said everyone knows that Paul VI stacked the deck with most of the rogues. I guess I thought you knew too,evidently I was wrong. You need to study up.

[Land of the Irish]

So it's OK to promote rogue bishops to be Archbishops or the Cardinalate rather than dismiss them?

What's your excuse for Reggie Cawcutt?

[Robert Drobot]

"If, however, you were to ask a conservative like Cardinal Edward Egan, archbishop of New York, he would say Jabot hurt the Church in the United States by picking the ‘‘very worst' bishops. This is because John Paul II had changed the criteria. It was part of his plan to bring a runaway, postconciliar Church back to its senses."

.....and what of Assisi, .....what of Fatima, .....what of the denial and suppression of Roman Catholic Dogma and Tradition through his complete support of V2 heresy, .....what of his embrace and indulgence of terrorist Arafat and the PLO, ......and of his silence toward blaspheming priests and bishops,.....what of his passive silence toward sodomites and baby killers who dare call themselves Roman Catholic and debase the Sacrament of Holy Communion every Sunday, .....what good came from his well publicized gathering in the Vatican of American imposters clothed as bishops? Was this ( the mere tip of his mountain of wrongs ) "....part of his plan to bring a runaway, postconciliar Church back to its senses"?

Just a minute!!! Which coven of warlocks prepped this smoke and mirrors spin on truth?

Soon we, the faithful of His Church, will be asked to sit by in silence, while the wicked choose one of their own to sit in Peter’s Chair. Will the faithful refuse to be silent? Will we stand, and demand in a single global voice for the election of a devoted and holy priest, as the Vicar of Christ on Earth???

A massive re-write of reality is now unfolding to sculpt a hollow monument where none should stand -- but for the barren grounds behind the walls of the Kremlin.

A global re-education is necessary to assure the numbing of the ignorant as they expectedly stare unknowingly at the coup de grace taking place within the walls of the Sistine Chapel.

Of course, speculation continues as to who might be the Cardinal in pectore Karol Wojtyla named in 2003.

Some believe Wojtyla appointed a member of the heretic Catholic association created by the Chinese communist government! These heretics and their ignorant flocks have declared their allegiance - not to the Holy See - but to the atheist communist Chinese.

All the more reason to watch and identify the ingress of the 123 electors who levitate into the conclave. Clearly, the presence of a heretic in those proceedings will void any decision made by the cardinals.

The communists are persecuting the true Roman Catholic Church in China. Should the Cardinal in pectore be a heretic, and stand to deceitfully declare his loyalty to the Holy See, it won’t be the first time a cardinal has lied to mask his evil intent. This will be a the last and final chapter crafted by Wojtyla alone.

Pope John Paul II, chose his name to honor his predecessor, John Paul I, who died just 33 days after being elected pope. John Paul I chose his name to honor predecessors Pope John XXIII and Pope Paul VI.......an unparalleled concurrence of action in papal history....and curiously.......all working from the same agenda. Now that’s determination - come hell or holy water (?).

Wojtyla, like the rest of us, was endowed by Our Father with free will, and he, and we, will account for those choices. I would guess a wrong is magnified by the amount of harm brought to His faithful, and the collateral harm brought to His Church. I can think of a number of men and women I’m glad I did not follow on my way to my accounting with Our Heavenly Father.

Our Lady of La Salette, pray for us. Saint Pius X, pray for us.

[AskStPhilomena]

Which wacko made Dupre a bishop?

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6346303

[AskStPhilomena]

Says it all - and that was back in 93....
http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr46/cr46pg6.asp