Face it, you'll never be rich says Michael Moore(Spot the irony)

Guardian ^ | 10/06/03 | Michael Moore

[Snardius]

How do you manufacture products with no employees?

The sad fact is that the Moore's of this world have loaded the employee up with so much regulatory baggage, worker's rights, and exposure to law suits that if a business owner could make his business profitable without ANY employees, that would be his/her choice.

[DustyMoment]

Who is this Moore character and what are his credentials to write this?

It is ironic that he generates this investive-filled screed about corporations stealing our money and keeping us from getting rich and, yet, it is a corporation (Disney) that has offered to underwrite the costs of his latest fictionmentary about how the Bushs have been working with Bin Laden for decades or some such nonsense. That sounds to me as though one of those corporations he seems to hate so much is willing to put its money up to invest in a project of his that will, ultimately (most likely), help this moron get . . . RICHER!!!!!

So, what is his problem with corporations again? They're evil?

All things considered, with Disney backing his latest project, he just might be right.

[Snardius]

I would find him a lot more believable if he were to attack the Dems about THEIR corporatist leanings

But then, that shtick is already being performed quite ably by Ralph Nader...to no popular result.

[Born Conservative]

Doesn't mean moore is right (he is not), but let's inject some reality: the current crop of Republicans are borrowing like there is no tomorrow to spend.

I wholeheartedly agree.

[Snardius]

Who cares if Nader's platform gets popular results?

The Green Party...? :) Actually, I care deeply that Ralph and the Greens get just enough of the popular vote to keep the Democrats as the minority party in this government forever.

[Havoc]

Mike's starting point with regard to the corporate mindset is right. I wouldn't call them murderers; but, to say they give a hoot in heck for anyone that works for them belies the mindset. "If you tell a CEO he has to care about the people working for him, you've tied his hands and killed his ability to lead." That is a quote from a boss who shall remain nameless; but, that is the mindset. He himself has not demonstrated that mindset. He actually cares so far as I can tell.

Bottom line, you can work your butt off for a corporation and not see a raise or a bonus for years on end because all the extra goes to management and the stockholder. We hear there is no I in team; but, the coach gets all the benefit of the team's hard work - showing there is no t-e-a-m in the p-r-o-f-i-t-s. But there is an "I" there and that I is the management and the stockholder.

This is what Perot was saying when he said the trickle down didn't trickle. He was half right. It did trickle. It freed up income to produce more jobs. But the greedier the top end gets for gain, the more impoverished the bottom end becomes. Corporate america doesn't concern itself with the team that made it's profits - it only cares about the profits. Thus we hear them whine about employee loyalty while they cut the employee's financial throat and send his job to mexico or india. This isn't the insult, the insult is the non-raise for busting his but for years on end to do well for the company. It is the non-raise and no bonuses given while the company posts profits and the company leaders enjoy huge bonuses for the work done by the rank and file.

There are many here that will say "that's capitalism". I would say it is a form of capitolism. There is the greedy type and the ethical type. The Greedy type is what Liberals seek for the money and bemoan for the treatment.
It's why ultimately Mike is a hypocrit. His side wants the working guy on the street impoverished and leaning on the government. They shout about the evil they create and prop up, then either do nothing about it or make it worse. The minimum wage is smoke in mirrors. It makes the dollar amount go up and it's buying power drop like a rock. It hurts companies on the front end; but in the long run allows for a restructuring that ends up in a net loss to the employee. It isn't a raise, it's a loss.

Mike is a hateful, bitter little blowhard; but, he does have some intelligent point to make now and then, even if it's mired in things we know is crap. But as many conservatives as liberals are happy with the status quo and could care less about the average Joe nobody as long as they get their cut. Just because we're in power doesn't mean we'll stay there if we don't do something while we're in. Keep the companies honest; but, make sure employees are taken care of. Why not discuss that instead of dismissing the man out of hand.

[jordan8]

you are never going to be rich. The chance of that happening is about one in a million.

Which is why there are only 28 rich people in America.

[jordan8]

The more I read of Moore, the more I realize that Mikey is just a con-man. He's scamming the left and raking in millions by putting their wildest stream-of-consciousness fantasies and fears in print and on film.

[IncPen]

The sad fact is that the Moore's of this world have loaded the employee up with so much regulatory baggage, worker's rights, and exposure to law suits that if a business owner could make his business profitable without ANY employees, that would be his/her choice.

And they wonder why 'jobs are moving overseas'.

If the negotiation for employment were left to the employee and the employer, there'd be alot more jobs...

[hopespringseternal]

That's funny, the Democratic Party wants to categorize some 50% of us as 'rich' when it comes to who they think should get a tax cut.

That was my thought. Every time I look at my tax bill, I know for sure that Michael Moore and the entire democratic party thinks I'm rich.

[Prodigal Son]

I really think that there is a growing sense in America that there is a large chunk of our rights that are unwritten in the constitution, and that these rights are being looted.

Could you elaborate on some of these rights? Please?

[dighton]

Spot the irony

Complaint from a slob who got rich while none could get rich.

[weegee]

Interesting that Michael Moore places his own income among the bottom brackets...

"PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!!" - The Wizard of Oz

[Prodigal Son]

You going to answer my question on this thread or not?

Which rights are being looted? I know you're new here and everything but you should expect to participate on the forum and answer the replies of other posters to your comments. It's not a one way street here at FR where you run around leaving commentary but never engage those who attempt to engage you in conversation.

[CoolPapaBoze]

Right on Brother!!!

[adx]

Face it, you'll never be rich says Michael Moore

Especially if we let ass-clowns like you have any say about it!

PS. Meant for Michael Moore, not fellow FReeper Pikamax. :)

[TankerKC]

That may be true, but it seems that now we have 50% of our population below the average income. That wasn't the case when Clinton ran the economy.

[ProtectorOfTwo]

Every now and then I read a post that truly refreshes my hope in the human condition. Great post!