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There is nothing conservative about the U.S. policy in Iraq.
The Liberty Committee ^ | September 10, 2003 | John J. Duncan, Jr.

Posted on 09/23/2003 1:29:52 PM PDT by jgrubbs

Statement of Congressman John J. Duncan, Jr. (R-Tennessee) September 10, 2003

There is nothing conservative about the U.S. policy in Iraq.

Conservatives have never believed in massive foreign aid. Our occupation of Iraq has become the largest foreign aid program in the history of the world.

We are building or rebuilding thousands of Iraqi schools, giving free health care to Iraqi citizens, and even making back payments to the Iraqi military and Iraqi retirees.

Last week I read that we are sending 60,000 soccer balls there. Our Founding Fathers could not have foreseen this in their wildest dreams.

Conservatives have never favored huge deficit spending. We are now told our deficits will reach an astounding one trillion dollars counting this fiscal year and the next.

Supporters of the war scoffed at predictions that we would spend $200 to $300 billion in Iraq over the next 10 years.

Now, by the most conservative estimates, not counting many things that should be counted, the Iraqi operation will cost us $167 billion in just the first two years.

And because we are in such a deep fiscal hole already, we will have to borrow all these billions we are spending there.

Conservatives have never believed in world government and have been the biggest critics of the United Nations.

Yet some prominent war supporters, while criticizing the U.N. in one breath, would say in the next that we had to go to war to enforce all the U.N. resolutions that Saddam Hussein had violated.

If this is not world government, then what is? And why should we put almost the entire burden of enforcing U.N. resolutions on the U.S. military and American taxpayers? That is not conservative.

Conservatives have been strong supporters of national defense, not international defense.

Senator Robert Taft wrote: “No foreign policy can be justified except a policy devoted…to the protection of the liberty of the American people, with war only as the last resort and only to preserve that liberty.”

Conservatives have never believed that the United States should be the policeman of the world.

President John Quincy Adams, in one of his most famous statements, said: “America goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy.” Presidents Washington and Jefferson both warned against permanent or entangling alliances with other countries.

Now, we have been in Korea for 50 years, spending over three billion dollars a year to “protect” that nation, in spite of massive anti-American demonstrations there. We are still in Bosnia even though President Clinton promised we would be out by the end of 1996. In fact we have a military presence of some sort in almost every country.

Most traditional conservatives believe we would not have nearly as many enemies around the world if we followed a non-interventionist foreign policy and did not get involved in so many religious, ethnic, and political disputes in other countries.

The so-called Neo-Cons have great power but really are a small minority of American conservatives, if they are conservative at all.

The syndicated columnist Georgie Anne Geyer wrote recently: “Critics of the war against Iraq have said since the beginning of the conflict that Americans, still strangely complacent about overseas wars being waged by a minority in their name, will inevitably come to a point where they will see they have to have a government that provides services at home or one that seeks empire across the globe.”

A very small minority of very powerful Neo-Cons have apparently dreamed of war with Iraq for many years. They got their wish. But what they may have thought would be their crowning achievement may instead lead to their downfall.

So many people in the U.S. and around the world feel that they were misled about the need to go to war in Iraq that they almost certainly will be much harder to convince the next time around.

Saddam Hussein was a very evil man, but he had a military budget only about 2/10 of one percent of ours and was never any real threat to us. Everyone knew we would win the war quickly and easily.

But Fortune magazine, in its November 25th issue, long before the war started, published an article entitled “Iraq- We Win, What Then?” The article said a “military victory could then turn into a strategic defeat” and that an American occupation would be “prolonged and expensive” and “could turn U.S. troops into sitting ducks for Islamic terrorists.” These predictions have turned out to be deadly accurate.

The great conservative columnist Charley Reese wrote that a U.S. attack on Iraq “is a prescription for the decline and fall of the American empire. Overextension urged on by a bunch of intellectuals who wouldn’t know one end of a gun from another--- has doomed many an empire. Just let the United States try to occupy the Middle East, which will be the practical result of a war against Iraq, and Americans will be bled dry by the costs both in blood and treasure.”

Where are we now? The September 1 Time magazine said “an Iraq in which civil servants are murdered while aid workers live under armed guard is not a success.”

William Pfaff, in a column in the International Herald Tribune in late August, wrote that “there is no victory in sight, not even a definition of victory” and that “killing fields” have now opened “that no one knows how to shut down, with American forces themselves increasingly the victims.”

Shortly thereafter, Adil Allawi wrote a letter to the Editor of the Financial Times. It is interesting because he was an opponent of Hussein’s who has been forced to live outside of Iraq for 30 years.

Mr. Allawi wrote: “Replacing a U.S. occupation with a U.N. occupation will only create a different target for the bombers….The root of the violence is that Iraq is occupied by a foreign power. There is no real vision of how that occupation might be transformed into a representative government. Iraqis should be providing their own security but I cannot see how they can risk their and their families’ lives for a fuzzy promise.”

No nation has even come close to doing as much for other countries as has the United States. Yet despite hundreds of billions in oversees spending, the National Journal last December said “signs of resistance to U.S foreign policy leadership are growing, as is widespread resentment about the long shadow the American Goliath casts across the globe.”

In that same issue, columnist William Schneider wrote: “Throughout the Middle East, anti-Americanism has grown along with U.S. influence….The lesson: Great power breeds great resentment."

Almost all conservatives applauded and were enthusiastic when President Bush, as a candidate, said that he opposed nation-building and that we needed a more humble foreign policy. Over 80% of House Republicans voted against our interventions in Bosnia and Kosovo.

I strongly supported President Bush in the 2000 election, and I will support him again in 2004.

My party unity scores were the exact same in both 2001 and 2002- 91%. My ratings from the American Conservative Union were the exact same for both 2001 and 2002- 92%. It is unusual, and it was unintentional, to have the exact same scores two years in a row, but these ratings clearly show that no one can fairly question either my loyalty to the Republican Party or my conservatism.

I represent a district that has voted Republican for Congress and President since the founding of the Republican Party. Yet now there are many life-long Republicans who are wondering why in the world we are borrowing billions to rebuild Iraq when there are so many people unemployed and so many needs here at home.

I have expressed my views in regard to Iraq without once ever criticizing President Bush. In fact, I continue to believe that this war came about because he is surrounded by big government Neo-Cons in key foreign policy positions rather than traditional conservatives.

Many, possibly even most, Republicans in the House have expressed misgivings and concerns about our policy in Iraq but have reluctantly gone along with the White House.

Now it is politically correct for most on both sides of the aisle to repeat noble clichés like “we have to get the job done” and “we must stay the course” and the American people “must be willing to make the sacrifice.”

Well, we should all be asking why. It is clear that the Iraqi people do not want us running Iraq. They only want our money.

Neo-con interventionist foreign policies are only breeding resentment, creating even more enemies, and putting our children and grandchildren into a financial black hole so deep they may never get out.

In 1967, Russell Kirk and James McClellan, in a book called The Political Principles of Robert A. Taft, wrote that Taft, while no pacifist, believed that “every other possibility must be exhausted before resort to military action” because “war would make the American president a virtual dictator, diminish the constitutional powers of Congress, contract civil liberties, injure the habitual self-reliance and self-government of the American people, distort the economy, sink the federal government in debt, break in upon private and public morality. The constitutions of government in America were not made for prolonged emergencies; and it might require generations for the nation to recover from a war of a few years’ duration.”

No matter who is President, almost all the leaders of the Defense Department, the State Department, the National Security Council, and our intelligence agencies are going to advocate more and more involvement in foreign affairs, even those which should be none of our business or even where there is no threat to our vital interests.

This is because all their power and glory and, most importantly, their funding are determined in large part by our involvement in the affairs of other nations. These people are not seen as men and women of action and as world statesmen unless they urge that we do more and more in other countries.

Unfortunately, we do not have many Calvin Coolidge’s leading these departments and agencies today.

I wish more of our leaders would heed the advice of President Kennedy who said in 1962: “we must face the fact that the United States is neither omnipotent nor omniscient---that we are only six percent (now four percent) of the world’s population---that we cannot impose our will upon the other 94 percent of mankind---that we cannot right every wrong or reverse each adversity---and that therefore there cannot be an American solution to every world problem.”

There is nothing conservative about the U.S policy in Iraq.


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1 posted on 09/23/2003 1:29:52 PM PDT by jgrubbs
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To: jgrubbs
In fact, I continue to believe that this war came about because he is surrounded by big government Neo-Cons in key foreign policy positions rather than traditional conservatives.

Riiiiight. GWB accidentally hired them.

2 posted on 09/23/2003 1:31:38 PM PDT by Huck
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To: jgrubbs
Duncan is probably right about it not being "conservative," whatever that is.

However, this is a dumb article.
3 posted on 09/23/2003 1:33:05 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: sheltonmac; Burkeman1; u-89; ex-snook; billbears
Bump for Rep. Duncan.
4 posted on 09/23/2003 1:33:51 PM PDT by JohnGalt (More Todd Beamers, Fewer Ivy Leaguers)
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To: jgrubbs
Saddam Hussein was a very evil man, but he had a military budget only about 2/10 of one percent of ours and was never any real threat to us

If you disagree with this statement, as the President and many conservatives do, then the rest of the article is moot.

5 posted on 09/23/2003 1:33:57 PM PDT by Huck
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To: jgrubbs
****snore****
6 posted on 09/23/2003 1:35:04 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Huck
They were thrust upon him.

He trusted them.

They failed him.
7 posted on 09/23/2003 1:35:08 PM PDT by JohnGalt (More Todd Beamers, Fewer Ivy Leaguers)
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To: jgrubbs
Conservatives have never believed in massive foreign aid. Our occupation of Iraq has become the largest foreign aid program in the history of the world.

Other than being completely full of sh*t, he seems to have forgotten the part of world histroy that covered post war Germany & Japan. My guess is his astrological sign is the ostrich.

8 posted on 09/23/2003 1:35:41 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: JohnGalt
They were thrust upon him.

He hired them.

He trusted them.

He still does. They failed him.

The President doesn't share that view.

9 posted on 09/23/2003 1:36:27 PM PDT by Huck
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To: jgrubbs
What a waste of time. Worshipping at the holy grail of 'conservatism' isn't noble.

Helping people, eliminating evil people, and finishing what you've started is.
10 posted on 09/23/2003 1:37:59 PM PDT by Cousin Eddie
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To: Huck
He may have okayed them, but handlers orchestrated the hires. That is how the modern Executive Office works; each candidate is fully vetted and there is very little room for independent action.

Bush stopped the troops at the border of Syria and Iran, then he turned, most recently, to Powell's idea to send troops into Liberia and ask the UN for help.

If you don't see that as proof that he stopped listening to the Office of Special Plans/aka the Cabal (their name), okay, but the writing is on the wall.

I doubt he trusts anyone and am waiting to here the news that Rummy is leaving to spend more time with the kids.


11 posted on 09/23/2003 1:42:33 PM PDT by JohnGalt (More Todd Beamers, Fewer Ivy Leaguers)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
***yawn****

The OJ jury is on the prowl.
12 posted on 09/23/2003 1:43:12 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: JohnGalt
Great piece. Tennessee has a fine rep in Duncan.
13 posted on 09/23/2003 1:43:59 PM PDT by Burkeman1 ((If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.))
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To: JohnGalt
We'll see.
14 posted on 09/23/2003 1:45:40 PM PDT by Huck
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To: tbpiper
Conservatives fought the socialist Marshall Plan that served only to build German and Japanese welfare states and hindered their recovery.

Being a conservative forum, are you sure you are on the right web site?
15 posted on 09/23/2003 1:45:47 PM PDT by JohnGalt (More Todd Beamers, Fewer Ivy Leaguers)
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To: Huck
Riiiiight. GWB accidentally hired them

Unfortunately for the citizens of the respective states he didn't 'accidently' hire anyone. However the media surrounding Bush did its job well in painting him as any sort of conservative.

16 posted on 09/23/2003 1:47:07 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Cousin Eddie; sheltonmac
Check out this post. Candidate for your list?
17 posted on 09/23/2003 1:49:03 PM PDT by Burkeman1 ((If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.))
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To: JohnGalt
The problem in America is that most citizens think that all Republicans are conservatives and that all Democrats are liberals. When they go to the polls they don't even bother to look at the names or the issues, they just look for the R or the D to vote for. It's time for Conservative America to start supporting only true conservatives regardless of party affiliation.
18 posted on 09/23/2003 1:53:15 PM PDT by jgrubbs
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To: JohnGalt
HA!!!
19 posted on 09/23/2003 1:54:57 PM PDT by huck von finn
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To: Huck
That does not appear to be the administration's belief prior to 9/11.


"Both Colin Powell, US Secretary of State, and Condoleezza Rice, President Bush's closest adviser, made clear before September 11 2001 that Saddam Hussein was no threat - to America, Europe or the Middle East.

In Cairo, on February 24 2001, Powell said: "He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours."

This is the very opposite of what Bush and Blair said in public.

Powell even boasted that it was the US policy of "containment" that had effectively disarmed the Iraqi dictator - again the very opposite of what Blair said time and again. On May 15 2001, Powell went further and said that Saddam Hussein had not been able to "build his military back up or to develop weapons of mass destruction" for "the last 10 years". America, he said, had been successful in keeping him "in a box".

Two months later, Condoleezza Rice also described a weak, divided and militarily defenceless Iraq. "Saddam does not control the northern part of the country," she said. "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."

20 posted on 09/23/2003 1:55:45 PM PDT by JohnGalt (More Todd Beamers, Fewer Ivy Leaguers)
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