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Colorado Springs losing tech jobs overseas (SUCKING SOUND ALERT)
THE GAZETTE ^ | Sept 22, 2003 | CHRIS WALSH and PAUL BEEBE

Posted on 09/22/2003 7:46:19 PM PDT by 11th_VA

Ron Abitbol knew his job was on the line when the Colorado Springs support center where he worked began re-routing overflow customer calls to a new operation in India.

“The first thought I had was that this was the beginning of the end,” said Abitbol, who helped consumers with questions about modems and wireless networks.

“When I lived in south Texas, I saw all the jobs go to Mexico, and this was how it started,” said Abitbol, who didn’t want to name his former company because he worried it would hurt his chances of landing another job. “They would move just a little bit of work over at first.”

His fears were justified. The company shifted a large portion of its local operations to India this year and cut several dozen decent-paying jobs, including Abitbol’s.

At least 1,300 Colorado Springs workers and hundreds of thousands of others nationwide lost jobs in recent years as U.S. technology companies increasingly shifted work to India, China and other nations to take advantage of cheap labor and low taxes.

... yada yada yada (same old story )

(Excerpt) Read more at gazette.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: cheaplabor; china; india; it; outsourcing
Anyone in the GOP listening out there ???
1 posted on 09/22/2003 7:46:20 PM PDT by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA
the usual crowd will be along to tell you this guy was overpaid for what he did, was not competitive, is working in a "buggy whip" industry, etc.
2 posted on 09/22/2003 7:49:30 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: 11th_VA
That snickering sound is the carpet baggers on their way to the bank...
3 posted on 09/22/2003 7:51:50 PM PDT by VxH
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To: oceanview
“Have you met your Indian today? That’s the joke around the office right now."

That's a great line!!

4 posted on 09/22/2003 7:57:21 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: oceanview
the usual crowd

The usual crowd is either retired or is under the impression that they are indespensible (read my tagline).

5 posted on 09/22/2003 8:05:33 PM PDT by Archangelsk (The graveyards of the world are filled with indespensible men.)
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To: 11th_VA



6 posted on 09/22/2003 8:06:34 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (No longshoremen were injured to produce this tagline.)
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To: 11th_VA
I think these folks should learn a few things from Henry Ford who in essence created the "consumer economy", i.e. you've got to pay your workers enough to buy your product. Otherwise, perhaps they should outsource their own jobs to India or China. I'm sure their CEOs and top executives get paid a lot less then what the ones here get.
7 posted on 09/22/2003 8:07:52 PM PDT by Coeur de Lion
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To: 11th_VA
"At least 1,300 Colorado Springs workers and hundreds of thousands of others nationwide lost jobs in recent years as U.S. technology companies increasingly shifted work to India, China and other nations to take advantage of cheap labor and low taxes".

I don't want to be hard hearted here but where were the tears when this started happening with manufacturing jobs starting some time in the 70s?
It was a popular sentiment that the unions with their high wage demands were the cause then. As far as I can tell the jobs that are fleeing now are not generally union jobs. Who oh who can we blame now? Bash away!
8 posted on 09/22/2003 8:58:16 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (I always wanted to be somebody, but I should have been more specific.)
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To: MonroeDNA
Here MonroeDNA, have cookie, now please the adults here are trying to carry on a converstation.

This has always been a subject very interresting to myself, as an ecconomics student. We are moving to a service industry, but those services will soon only be direct sales to each other, or supporting those direct sales. With the fall of communism and the other socialist nations of Europe unable to expand their industries, we are at the point where many nations have realized that capitalism is indeed the best system for ecconomic governance. This is cuppled with the increasing demands on wallstreet to make more profits even at the expense of their business name. It used to be that companies would become a part of the community and at that time it served their interrests (people from the community would buy their products simply because it was in the community). No longer does it serve their interrests to do so, public companies only see themselves accountable to their shareholders (and only to the degree where it increases the perks the board and governers of the company now expect). The second part is the wallmart of america, Wallmart tossed out the old notions of brand leader, price leader, and quality leader, and showed that being the price leader was king in retail.

We are also at the point where many are now retiring and are taking themselves out of the labor market to live off what they've made their entire life. With fixed incomes and all the time in the world at their disposal they now spend that time looking for the best "deals". With the job market weak and the threat of outsourcing around the corner companies can afford to skimp on the payments of their workers and they do this to meet the demands placed on them, price, price, and price.

As we see more people retire the pricing demand will become stronger as more people have the time to look for the best bargins.

In effect we can look forward to lower incomes and (likely) higher taxes to support those who have retired, in effect possibly reducing our own chances to retire.

9 posted on 09/23/2003 7:27:42 AM PDT by Brellium
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To: Brellium
In effect we can look forward to lower incomes and (likely) higher taxes to support those who have retired, in effect possibly reducing our own chances to retire.

Don't forget social security - soon to be three workers for every retiree...

10 posted on 09/23/2003 7:30:00 AM PDT by 11th_VA (Ross was right !!!)
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To: 11th_VA
Greenville, Pennsylvania lost tech and many other jobs as major local manufacturers moveed their production out of the country. Stores closing up. Standard of living falling.

Some enterprising person could make a bunch of money importing and selling those little ice cream carts that you push around to sell ice cream. Would give a lot of people in Greenville a chance to earn a living by buying one of those ice cream carts and pushing it around the neighborhood selling ice cream.
11 posted on 09/23/2003 7:38:29 AM PDT by BJungNan
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To: Brellium
You are all over the map, but as a student, that is to be expected.

"Here MonroeDNA, have cookie, now please the adults here are trying to carry on a converstation. " This has always been a subject very interresting to myself, as an ecconomics student." We are moving to a service industry,..."

Who is "we," besides econ students and union buffoons? The "we" that I hang out with create wealth, by innovation. "We" laugh at acedemics, knowing that you will never contribute wealth to society, because you simply are not capable of getting yourselves out of academia, and working for someone.

" but those services will soon only be direct sales to each other,

(According to keynes)

"or supporting those direct sales. With the fall of communism and the other socialist nations of Europe unable to expand their industries, we are at the point where many nations have realized that capitalism is indeed the best system for ecconomic governance. "

Correct.

"This is cuppled with the increasing demands on wallstreet to make more profits even at the expense of their business name. It used to be that companies would become a part of the community and at that time it served their interrests (people from the community would buy their products simply because it was in the community). No longer does it serve their interrests to do so, public companies only see themselves accountable to their shareholders (and only to the degree where it increases the perks the board and governers of the company now expect). "

My 401k makes me a shareholder. I am very happy with the companies I invested in. If they are accountable to any one but me, a shareholder, we will fire them, plain and simple. The purpose of business is to make money. For me, the shareholder (owner). Any problems with that?

"The second part is the wallmart of america, Wallmart tossed out the old notions of brand leader, price leader, and quality leader, and showed that being the price leader was king in retail.

So? We pay $10 for tennis shoes. Should we do away with them, and pay more?

" We are also at the point where many are now retiring and are taking themselves out of the labor market to live off what they've made their entire life. With fixed incomes and all the time in the world at their disposal they now spend that time looking for the best "deals". With the job market weak and the threat of outsourcing around the corner companies can afford to skimp on the payments of their workers and they do this to meet the demands placed on them, price, price, and price. As we see more people retire the pricing demand will become stronger as more people have the time to look for the best bargins. "

Correct. So?

"In effect we can look forward to lower incomes and (likely) higher taxes to support those who have retired, in effect possibly reducing our own chances to retire.

That came from nowhere, and is not supported by by your acedemic arguement. Then again, you are an econ student in today's college climate.

12 posted on 09/24/2003 7:38:26 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (No longshoremen were injured to produce this tagline.)
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