Can Moslems Serve?

www.adamyoshida.com ^ | September 21, 2003 | Adam Yoshida

[adamyoshida]

Can Moslems Serve?

Sergeant Assan Akhbar. Sergeant John Allen Muhammad. Sergeant Ali Mohamed. Captain James Yee. What do all of these men have in common? They all served in the US Army, they are all Moslems, and they are all traitors. Akhbar killed several of his fellow soldiers in a grenade attack during the Iraq War. Muhammad was an unreliable solider who, after leaving the Army, killed ten people in a series of sniper attacks. Mohamed set up the terrorist cell which eventually bombed the US Embassy in Nairobi. The latest man on the list, Captain Yee, is a Chinese-American who converted to Islam in the mid 1990’s. Eventually he became an Islamic Chaplin and was regularly hailed in the media as an effective illustration of a loyal practitioner of the religion of peace. Oh yes, and was a terrorist too- that part is a little hard to forget. Given all of this, the question must be asked: can Moslems continue to be allowed to serve in the American Armed Forces, or does their presence constitute a security risk?

There will be those who will accuse me of racism for even raising such a question. How dare I question the loyalty of Islamic soldiers serving on the front lines? But events now leave us with no choice. Moreover, it is clear that al-Qaeda is deliberately infiltrating the US Army- Yee suddenly rejoined the Army after living in Syria for four years, Mohamed came to the US Army by way of the Egyptian one. A good first step would be to forbid the service in the US military of anyone who has lived in an Islamic country for an extended period of time and was not on government business of some sort. This might sound unfair to some- but allowing someone to join the US Army after a half-decade sojourn in Araby is like allowing someone just back from a six-year stint as a Factory Worker in the USSR to join the Marine Corps circa 1953.

Whether we like it or not the War on Terrorism puts us up against people who claim to be fighting on behalf of the Islamic religion. The Islamist creed is strong, especially among new converts to the religion (which a majority of Moslems in the US Army are) it is hardly unexpected that some will take seriously the calls for Jihad and attack their fellow soldiers. This problem is made much worse when these men are deployed to the Middle East where they are subjected to a constant stream of Islamist propaganda and called upon to fight their fellow Mohammedans.

Some have advocated the immediate discharge of all Moslems in the Armed Forces. I would not, perhaps, go that far. The discharge of those practicing the Islamic faith would unfairly punish actually loyal Americans simply upon the basis of their religion. Rather, a through investigation of the backgrounds of all Islamic soldiers must be undertaken and those whose loyalty might be even considered somewhat suspect must be immediately removed from the service. Many will call such investigations ‘McCarthyism’ and they’re right if, by ‘McCarthyism’ they mean ‘investigations that remove disloyal individuals from the government.’ Still, these investigations will find that only a minority of Moslems have terrorist ties or suspect loyalties- so what shall be done with the rest?

I think that we ought to look to history for a solution to this problem. In the Second World War Japanese-Americans, while forbidden from serving in the regular army, were allowed to join the 442nd Regimental Combat Team, which became one of the most distinguished units of the entire war. Deployed for service in Italy, members of the unit fought with fanatical and suicidal bravery thereby proving that they were as loyal as any other Americans.

This would be an excellent model to follow today. Most estimates suggest that there are somewhere between five and ten thousand Moslems in the US Army, the majority of them black converts. These men could be reassigned to a new ‘Islamic Brigade’, which could then be deployed to some theatre where they would be unlikely to have to fight against their fellow Moslems and where they might be kept away from the influence of radical Islamists. The men could be carefully monitored, with those showing radical tendencies being speedily discharged. They could be placed under the spiritual guidance of extremely carefully vetted moderate Islamic clerics and guided towards a peaceful and ‘Americanized’ form of Islam.

[TrappedInLiberalHell]

Can Moslems Serve?

Yes, but they're prone to foot-faulting. And don't even get me started on their volleying abilities.

[shekkian]

Send them to Korea, if it comes to that.

[adamyoshida]

That was exactly the spot I was thinking of.

[FreedomCalls]

Can Moslems Serve?

[Persia]

what % is that 3 cases of thousands upon thousands who have loyally served

0.3 percent?
not real convincing.

[findingtruth]

If Moslems can't serve because they're really working for Islam, then you might as well say Jews can't serve because they're really working for Israel, and Catholics can't serve because they're really working for the Vatican.

[FreedomCalls]

[MegaSilver]

The problem isn't when Muslims serve in the U.S. Army. The problem is when they betray the United States in favor of Islam.

Now, I ask you, how many Muslims in the U.S. have served in the armed forces and NOT committed treason?

[dagnabbit]

What percent of the religiously-motivated treason, sabotage and murder within the ranks do the muslim episodes represent?

100 percent.

Absolutely convincing.

[adamyoshida]

Plenty- but every example of treason committed in the US Army in recent years has been by a Moslem, despite the fact that Moslems make up less than 1% of the Army.

[CROSSHIGHWAYMAN]

If Moslems can't serve because they're really working for Islam, then you might as well say Jews can't serve because they're really working for Israel, and Catholics can't serve because they're really working for the Vatican.

What kind of childish poppycock is this?

[xJones]

I would caution my son serving in the military against any Muslim fellow servicemen. Prejudice? No doubt, but based on recent history there is every reason for it. The only way to stop the prejudice against American Muslims is for THEM to put America first - and get rid of the fanatical Wahabbi influence. It's really up to American Muslims.

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

(Can Moslems Serve?)

Only as gator bait!

[TaMoDee]

The followers of Islam, ie: Muslims, are wholly dedicated to convert the peoples of our world to their religion.

Make no mistake about it. Violence is an approved method.

The swords on the flag of Saudi Arabia are not there just to fill up space.

Islam has nothing to do with peace.

Muslims in the US Forces are a fifth column of spies.

[umgud]

When Islam renounces the Koran's teachings regarding Jews and infidels (us), I'll feel comfortable whith Muslims serving in the armed forces. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all are taught we are the infidel.

[dagnabbit]

Well first, I'm struggling to remember the name of that Jewish soldier who fragged his officers or that Catholic guy who left the service to take up sniping in DC. Secondly, I'm fuzzy on the details about the war against America being carried out by ultra-orthodox Jews or tradionalist Catholics. Did they knock down landmark buildings or something?

[xJones]

Yes, but they're prone to foot-faulting. And don't even get me started on their volleying abilities.

LOL, but they always aim for the net, when they're not trying to slide under it and complaining that it's all the refs fault because he/she is prejudiced against them. And the ref is probably Jewish; we all know how many Jewish volleyball refs there are.

[gg188]

If Moslems can't serve because they're really working for Islam, then you might as well say Jews can't serve because they're really working for Israel, and Catholics can't serve because they're really working for the Vatican.

Dude---Catholics and Jews are not at war with whites, Catholics, Jews and protestants and have not sworn allegiance to a creed to kill them, nor flown airplanes into buildings containing them.

[TaMoDee]

See Post # 15.

[gg188]

Imagine the following in '39 or for that matter at any time since arguing to allow another enemy into our armed forces:

These men could be reassigned to a new ‘Nazi Brigade’, which could then be deployed to some theatre where they would be unlikely to have to fight against their fellow Nazis and where they might be kept away from the influence of radical Nazis showing radical tendencies being speedily discharged. They could be placed under the spiritual guidance of extremely carefully vetted moderate Nazis and guided towards a peaceful and ‘Americanized’ form of Nazism.

Now, see how stupid this writer's "logic" is?

[adamyoshida]

I think that the problem with Moslems is more analagous to that of the Japanese than it is to Nazis.

Not all Moslems are Islamists- but they can't be quite trusted either. Putting them in a special unit, away from the Middle East and under the right leadership could be very benificial.

[xJones]

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all are taught we are the infidel.

Well wait, we infidels are offered the dhimmitude clause, which traditionally has meant that we can live as third class citizens. But that was before the age of bombs, so.....

[bereanway]

Agreed. Islam is radically different than Judaism or Christianity because it is a religious and POLITICAL construct. To them, if you're not a Muslim you are a member of the "House of War" or an infidel. Their ultimate goal is a world-wide hegemony ruled by Islamic clerics under Sharia law. The so called Judeo-Christian West represents the greatest impediment to achieving those goals. To a true Muslim western life and culture is antithetical to their worldview.

[Zeroisanumber]

Plenty- but every example of treason committed in the US Army in recent years has been by a Moslem, despite the fact that Moslems make up less than 1% of the Army.

I assume you've researched that and have facts to back it up?

[ladyjane]

The Navy used to have servers from the Phillipines but had to get rid of them because it wasn't PC. Perhaps. . .

[gg188]

No. Moslems are not a nation, so the analogy to "Japan" is not valid. Perhaps analagous to imperialist Shitos in Japan. Regardless, it would be common sense to bar from your armed forces (or from your soil for that matter) people who swear by a creed that calls for your slaughter. But that goes to the heart of believing in the rightness of your cause. We don't believe in our cause---freedom---enough, nor love our children enough, to do what is necessary to make SURE that no one calling for our destruction breathes another breath. Thank God our fathers DID believe in the rightness of America and the rightness of the Bible to prevail over all previous threats.

[TheDon]

I think that we ought to look to history for a solution to this problem. In the Second World War Japanese-Americans, while forbidden from serving in the regular army, were allowed to join the 442nd Regimental Combat Team, which became one of the most distinguished units of the entire war.

Interesting idea, but I think we are beyond such notions today. You will not be seeing Moslem concentration camps either. If a Moslem, or a service member of another faith, has a problem obeying orders, they shouldn't be in the military. Moslems have killed more Moslems than everyone else combined. So I think such feelings are more individual in nature, than due to the teachings of their religion.

[TheDon]

Wasn't the OK City bomber ex-military?

[jocon307]

"The only way to stop the prejudice against American Muslims is for THEM to put America first...It's really up to American Muslims."

Yes, it really is. And this is not such a difficult or complicated thing. Be patriotic, display the flag, and let no one doubt you love America!

People who are smart enough to have come here, and many of whom have fine jobs, doctors, lawyers, accountants, engineers, I think they can figure it out.

And if they are so cowed, so afraid of their peers, so much the more they need to show their love of AMERICA, of FREEDOM, of LIBERTY.

Or not. But we at FR, and in most of America aren't buying the "religion of peace" line (see I didn't say cr*p!) even if it is sold to us by our beloved "W". Let one more thing happen, and then no amount of parades, etc. will save Muslims in America from our righteous wrath.

I don't think they are with us. But I am open to persuasion otherwise.

Waiting for more shoes to drop. But, as you say, it is up to them. If they won't take the cue, it will be up to us.

God save us (or damn us, rather) if we fail.

[Hoplite]

Timmy had a microchip in his butt telling him what to do, so his case doesn't count. = )

[Kay Soze]

Yes Moslems can serve.

They just cannot serve in any United States orginization.

Their loyality is to Allah as they recognize him through their scriptures- the Koran.

And the Koran is anti United States and all we stand for.

[Zeroisanumber]

Wasn't the OK City bomber ex-military?

Yeah, and he was one of those damn untrustworthy Christians! That makes 100% of the Ryder Truck-utilizing ex-military Treasonous acts the fault of Christians in the military! For the love of God why do we let these people into our armed forces? /really thick sarcasm

[Guillermo]

Umm, McVeigh was an atheist (until the day he was executed).

[Zeroisanumber]

Details, details.

The point was to turn the tar brush back on the author, so this is one of those rare cases where facts don't matter.

[joesnuffy]

No man can serve two masters
either he will love the one and hate the other
or hate the one and love the other

Loyalty to Islam and its tenents and fellow muslim's struggles
or to the USA and its troops...

[findingtruth]

Dude---Catholics and Jews are not at war with whites, Catholics, Jews and protestants and have not sworn allegiance to a creed to kill them, nor flown airplanes into buildings containing them.

Hey, that's right. Muslims are at war with whites and have sworn to kill them! Gee, I know quite a few Muslims who'll have to commit suicide on the basis of that oath. The Muslims flew airplanes into our buildings too.

Oh wait. Now that I think about it, that wasn't Muslims in general; that was just Al Qaeda. Oh well, what the heck. We need a good holy war, so let's just blame all the Muslims.

[Guillermo]

Comparing Islam, which says to install Islamic Law as the form of governance, to Christianity, which says obey the secular authority, is a sign of ignorance.

[findingtruth]

He was a Gulf War vet, too. Man, we gotta watch out for them guys!

[findingtruth]

And the Koran is anti United States and all we stand for.

Darned right! Do you realize the Koran would deny our sacred right to abortion?

[Duke Nukum]

I think its intolerant of us infidels not to be murdered by the murderous mind control cults who are culturally predisposed to murder us, therefore, mosloms, scientologists and democratics should all be allowed to serve and undermine.

If they end up killing us and destroying our country, we should be tolerant of it. Because that's what Marx would say to do.

All three murderous mind control cults say defending the Constitution of the United States is against the Constitution of the United States. Three diverse populations of psychotics can't be wrong.

[MadeInOhio]

Interesting question. Are you referring to Timothy McVeigh the former U.S. soldier? Or could you be referring to John Doe No. 2, whom evidence suggests was McVeigh's handler and a veteran of the Iraqi Republican Guard?

[Zeroisanumber]

Comparing Islam, which says to install Islamic Law as the form of governance, to Christianity, which says obey the secular authority, is a sign of ignorance.

Casually dismissing 1 billion people as untrustworthy is also a sign of ignorance.

[browardchad]

Do you realize the Koran would deny our sacred right to abortion?

It's not my, or anyone else's sacred rite. Muslims have a form of extremely-late term abortion, though -- commonly called suicide bombers.

[Zeroisanumber]

Interesting question. Are you referring to Timothy McVeigh the former U.S. soldier? Or could you be referring to John Doe No. 2, whom evidence suggests was McVeigh's handler and a veteran of the Iraqi Republican Guard?

Right, and Billy Jeff Clinton shot Vince Foster too, right?

[Guillermo]

We casually dismissed the radical among that 1 billion pre 9-11.

We're not doing that anymore.

[findingtruth]

Casually dismissing 1 billion people as untrustworthy is also a sign of ignorance.

Whatchu mean? Them 1 billion people blew up our buildings. We gotta hit back!

[weegee]

Islam lesson for the day:

The Ask The Imam and Islam Q&A sites tell the muslim followers of Islam that they are not to fight against muslims or Islamic nations. Did anyone tell American Christians (or more specifically, Catholics) that they couldn't shoot facist Italians, Germans, etc in WWII because they shared a common religion?

Here is one such question from Ask The Imam regarding the "loyalty oath" one takes when becoming a US citizen:

Is it allowed to obtain United States Citizenship so that travelling for deen becomes easier?

They require you to promise to bear arms for the country. The oath of allegiance is as follows:

The Oath of Allegiance I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

If they require or ask you to bear arms against a muslim country, what should be the response. Their laws are against 4 marraige law of Islaam. Does the pledge cause any "Ilhaad" or any such anti-islamic view? Please answer according to Hanafi Fiqh.

Answer:

1. If your intention is solely to facilitate easier travel, you are permitted to obtain US citizenship. Although the oath of allegiance is un-Islamic in nature, it will not be treated as an 'Islamic oath'. Therefore, you are not compelled to execute the oath. [ the oath is just words, say them but don't uphold them... ]

2. If you are called up to bear arms against Muslims, you are not permitted to do so by Islamic law. [ can you find this type of statement made by leaders of other religions? ]

3. The pledge does not constitute Ilhaad.

Mufti Muhammad Kadwa
FATWA DEPT.

CHECKED AND APPROVED CORRECT: Mufti Ebrahim Desai

[Nathaniel Fischer]

[xJones]

God save us (or damn us, rather) if we fail.

I would suggest that God leaves personal decisions up to us (unless you're a Calvinist).

BTW, from your post #30 and tagline, you appear rather touchy and let me assure you that I wouldn't mind if you posted the word "crap". That's better than how I the Iranian version of Islam.:)