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Ready to move? Free State Project will announce the chosen state on October 1
Free State Project ^ | Sep., 03 | Free State Project

Posted on 09/20/2003 4:18:54 PM PDT by churchillbuff

The ballots have been mailed to Free State Project participants - and the voting result will be announced on October 1.

The Free State Project is a plan in which 20,000 or more liberty-oriented people will move to a single state of the U.S., where they may work within the political system to reduce the size and scope of government. The success of the Free State Project would likely entail reductions in burdensome taxation and regulation, reforms in state and local law, an end to federal mandates, and a restoration of constitutional federalism, demonstrating the benefits of liberty to the rest of the nation and the world.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: freedom; freestateproject; fsp; porcupines
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To: Joe Hadenuf
They are all cold weather states.......

Not a selling point, you're right.

41 posted on 09/22/2003 1:20:45 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: Joe Hadenuf
They are all cold weather states.......

BUMP to that.

It ain't freedom if you're forced to get frostbit to get it.

42 posted on 09/22/2003 1:30:40 PM PDT by putupon (I'll put a Cross for the Constitution beside the Highway of History, if the Court will let it stay.)
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To: putupon
These people are stupid. If I was going to pick a state and be a cheerleader for bringing people into it, to change it to a conservative state, it would be a state with the best weather, where you don't freeze your butt off 5 months out a the year, a coast, ports, a place where food can be grown year around etc etc etc.....
43 posted on 09/22/2003 2:28:17 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
These people are stupid. If I was going to pick a state and be a cheerleader for bringing people into it, to change it to a conservative state, it would be a state with the best weather, where you don't freeze your butt off 5 months out a the year, a coast, ports, a place where food can be grown year around etc etc etc.....

You only make yourself look silly with a post like this. Why do you think your ideal state hasn't been choosen? Its because everyone else though that state was ideal too and already moved there. The populations in these ideal states are already too high and therefore can't be changed politically by a few thousand free-staters. However, the weather in Delaware isn't nearly as bad as the frozen wastelands of NH, AK, and VT.

44 posted on 09/22/2003 4:59:41 PM PDT by rmmcdaniell
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To: austingirl
Why not Texas?

Looks to me like they only picked places where they will be up to their a$$ in snow much of the year.

45 posted on 09/22/2003 5:03:34 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (PEACE - Through Superior Firepower)
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To: rmmcdaniell
Why do you think your ideal state hasn't been choosen?

Because most konservatives run at the first sign of trouble, only to find it waiting for them where ever they go.

The populations in these ideal states are already too high and therefore can't be changed politically by a few thousand free-staters.

So you are saying a few thousands free staters are going to change Delaware? Don't be silly!

However, the weather in Delaware isn't nearly as bad as the frozen wastelands of NH, AK, and VT.

LOL, compared to where I'm sitting, Delaware's climate resembles that of a climatically hostile, frozen world....No offense though.....

46 posted on 09/22/2003 6:09:06 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
So you are saying a few thousands free staters are going to change Delaware? Don't be silly!

I pointed this out on another thread, that they wouldn't even be able to do this. However my point is not to agree with them, rather I'm trying to explain to you why they're putting a higher priority on a small population state than one that has good weather. If you don't understand this than perhaps you should just shut up instead of calling others stupid in your posts.

47 posted on 09/23/2003 7:35:06 PM PDT by rmmcdaniell
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Delaware is packed to the gills north of the C&D canal, almost much like NJ (if you don't believe me, go look at a street map showing the PA/DE state line...it's striking). You'd need 100,000 people to shift it from the liberal stronghold it is. If they pick DE, the project's DOA...trust me.
48 posted on 09/23/2003 7:41:22 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: rmmcdaniell
If you don't understand this than perhaps you should just shut up instead of calling others stupid in your posts.

But you shouldn't use such language daniell! I am offended, I am calling the Admin Moderator, as soon as I eat another pork chop.....

:o

49 posted on 09/23/2003 7:48:07 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: churchillbuff; AAABEST; A.J.Armitage; archy; bc2; Beck_isright; Jack Black; bootless; ...
The FSP Press release regarding the election result announcement can be found *here.* I've also placed a link in the responces to that post to this one.

Porcupine list ping!


50 posted on 09/24/2003 10:30:52 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
It would be tough to get used to the weather, but I'm tilting toward Wyoming. It'll be easier to find places for rifle training, which should be the "state sport," as it is in Switzerland.
51 posted on 09/24/2003 10:43:44 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: rmmcdaniell
I pointed this out on another thread, that they wouldn't even be able to do this.

If the numbers remain static and don't improve beyond the first 20,000, you'd be right. But if those 20K first set the example for twenty thousand, fifty thousand, a hundred thousand more, it's not only very possible, but likely that there'll be at least some successful results from the migration of the Porcupines.

I seem to recall that during the Clinton-Bush I election, some 20% of the voters were sufficiently disgusted with the choice between Tweedledum and Tweedledumber that one in five of them voted for a third choice instead.

In 24 months, the FSP picked up the initial 5000 pledged members required to hold the vote selecting the state in which the experiment is to continue; that's a full year ahead of the projected schedule when the planners expected the numbers to be sufficient to be held; sur-prise, sur-prise!

If that snowballing support and attention continues to increase as it has over those last 24 months, look for that pioneering 20,000 to be on board in another 24 months or so, though again, that's well ahead of the planned schedule. But it is not unknown for a popular movement to pick up momentum and support, growing exponentially as the word gets out. And it is indeed getting out.

If so, the first 20,000 will not at all be the cap of the FSP total effective numbers, but just the beginning, and successes in the goal state will likely attract even more supporters. We shall see.

But the growth curve over the last 24 months cannot be ignored. And if it continues? Well, take a look, and figure your own projection from the past results. The numbers show no sign of flattening on the graph....

-archy-/-


52 posted on 09/24/2003 10:46:37 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Travis McGee
It would be tough to get used to the weather, but I'm tilting toward Wyoming. It'll be easier to find places for rifle training, which should be the "state sport," as it is in Switzerland.

I have 640 acres of land in Weston County, south of Newcastle, WY, my Granddad's old WWI Homestead Act tract. You're welcome to come shoot there anytime, whether you prefer to do some half-mile target work or hunt for the pesky elk that infest the area. It's in the Northeast corner of the state, also near Devils Tower, Jewel Cave and Wind Cave, and the Sturgis SD Bikefest.

It's just across the SD state line from the Elk Mountain federal game preserve, and their critters frequently jump the fences and require thinning, lest they spread Brucellosis or other diseases among Wyoming's recovering buffalo herds. It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it, and you get both the meat and some fair hatracks out of the deal.

There's also deer and antelope hunting out that way, and prarie dogs for the varmint eradication inclined. Oh, and the next gully over from the place is Rattlesnake Canyon, if you care for roast buzztail. They make nice belts and hatbands.

-archy-/-

53 posted on 09/24/2003 10:59:17 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
LOL, compared to where I'm sitting, Delaware's climate resembles that of a climatically hostile, frozen world....No offense though.....

Around the corners of Wyoming I expect to land if that state is chosen, you'll find some houses built with a door on the second floor as a means of dealing with winter drifts.

It's not that way all the time, or even every Winter. But if you do resettle there, you do need to keep the possibility of such things coming your way at times in mind.

-archy-/-

54 posted on 09/24/2003 11:02:42 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
These people are stupid. If I was going to pick a state and be a cheerleader for bringing people into it, to change it to a conservative state, it would be a state with the best weather, where you don't freeze your butt off 5 months out a the year, a coast, ports, a place where food can be grown year around etc etc etc.....

Us porcupines got thick fur. And the chilly weather should help keep away some of the riff-raff.


55 posted on 09/24/2003 11:09:13 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: austingirl
Why not Texas?

For one thing, they've got their own project, doing on a county and congressional district level what the FSP is doing nationally. Just as we're picking up some Lone Star Porcupines carrying on the spirit of those who settled Tejas in the 1830s, so too do we expect an initial success in the first pilot free state to be expanded to other locales. And Texas is sure one of 'em; see my FReeper profile page.

But that'll take time and numbers we don't have to get the job done in Texas. Yet.

-archy-/-

56 posted on 09/24/2003 11:13:50 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: jmc813
ping

Gotcha, and thanks. I wanted to get the offishul FSP press release posted, and this article posting compliments it nicely.

-archy-/-

57 posted on 09/24/2003 11:15:26 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
Why not Texas?

Looks to me like they only picked places where they will be up to their a$$ in snow much of the year.

Maybe a third of the year, some years, but not all, though there was a freak cold-weather death in Wyoming last month.

But when life hands you lemons, make lemonade. I haven't had my skis out of storage but three times since I got here in Memphis back in '96.

Up to my a$$ in snow? Not this little black duck, buster. I always wanted one of these:


58 posted on 09/24/2003 11:19:50 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
But when life hands you lemons, make lemonade. I haven't had my skis out of storage but three times since I got here in Memphis back in '96.

I suggest you turn them in for water skis, solve the entire problem, and forget the damn snow.

59 posted on 09/24/2003 11:24:28 AM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (PEACE - Through Superior Firepower)
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To: BooBoo1000
Hit the trail for Wyoming.More cows than people, cows probably smarter also. Burn up in the Summer, freeze to the ground in the winter.

Smart Porcupines burrow. Warm!

-archy-/-

60 posted on 09/24/2003 11:36:24 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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