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Giant star caught swallowing three planets
New Scientist ^ | 09/17/03 | Emma Young

Posted on 09/17/2003 7:27:05 AM PDT by bedolido

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To: King Prout
We obviously see things considerably differently.
You are as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.

It seems to be your view that this site is without value when it comes to informing or educating the next generations about Constitutional conservatism. I can now assume that “sullying” or adult humor serves the purpose of the site. After all, we can’t afford to do anything “for the children”. I tend to see everything as a potential for training the young coming along because otherwise the only place they will obtain training is from the willing liberals and communists. It is how we have lost the "minds" of a generation or so thus far so that we need others (i.e. Coulter) to pull a few of them out.

It is a shame to give reasons to the eager liberals who judge sites for filtering groups to keep children out of this one. There are discussions of history , politics, science, economics and geography here that are stunning in their import and impact. Even this thread has more valuable input (with references to other sites) from Freepers than the article itself contained.

How sad that because it would be "dour" without “sullying” references the filterers can get their wish fulfilled to keep this out of the sight of some of the most promising youngsters in our nation whose parents may not have the background in their areas of interest that those here could provide.

You are correct. The moderator did not find the tasteless remark offensive. I had no idea that you and yours would conceive of my objection as tantamount to an Admin rebuke since I did not. It is an interesting concept, but it wasn’t my purpose or intent.

Apparently what you object to most is the verbiage. It somehow afflicts you. Words of three syllables or less can be hard for some to people to produce depending on what one’s training in languages has been but that may not be apparent to a crowd.

I apologize for the objectionable verbalization. It is interesting to me that you are free to stamp my motive as “supercilious vainglory” according to your (mis)perception. So far as I am concerned you have here come just as close to usurping “the mantle” of authority as I must have in your estimation. Your warning to “Please do not do so again.” indicates to me that you must be the authority/Moderator here.

Since I cannot “Bulwer-Lytton” with any of them you are seven up on me. And since you have named yourself a King, I bow (out) to you, Admin/King Prout.
81 posted on 09/17/2003 6:50:08 PM PDT by Spirited
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To: Zack Nguyen; Stingray51; Rodney King
"Its ramifications for fundamentalist Creationists (who insist that the Earth and Man are the center and raison d'etre of all Creation) should strain their simplistic, geocentric, homocentric, and egocentric views of the universe..." (TXnMA, #36)

Was that really necessary? (Zack Nguyen, #66)

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I believe so, Zack, and this subject is really important to me -- just keep reading to learn "where I'm coming from".
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I guess what you are saying is that the universe is so vast that we aren't as significant as many think we are. (Stingray51, #57)

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That's exactly what I'm saying -- but hear me out, please...
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I reach the opposite conclusion, i.e., that the entire vastness of the universe is the stage which exists for the purpose of providing a physical location for the story of humanity to play out, and that its very vastness is indicative of how important the human struggle is. Which makes sense from a Christian perspective (to me at least) because if God thought mankind was important enough to send His Son to die for, it would not be surprising if He wanted to provide a mind-bogglingly vast universe as background for something so significant. (Stingray51, #57)

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I really appreciate your thoughtful and kind response; it states the "homocentric" position as well (and as nicely) as I have ever seen it stated. And...I once believed just as you do...

Before we proceed further, though, I think you should know the following about me (posted on a thread entitled, "Life's Complexity Diminishes Darwinian Potency") earlier this week:
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"FWIW, and before you label me in your mind as a "heathen", know this: I am a born-again believer in Christ Jesus, and accept the bare outline of creation in Genesis as fundamental truth. (The Bible, is, after all, a spiritual guide -- not a science text.)"

However, as a scientist (physical chemist), I consider it my calling in life to "read" the "other book" God left as a record for us -- all his mighty works -- so that I might seek to understand the majesty of all that He has made.

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Mankind are insignificant occupants of a second-rate planet, orbiting a third-rate sun, out in an empty spot between arms on the fringes of a modest galaxy -- one among billions of galaxies in Gods wondrous Creation. And that is precisely why I rejoice in the wondrous miracle of God's great love that sent His Only Son here to die for us!!

If Mankind were the most important thing in God's Creation -- where would the miracle be? But, no...we are the least significant of His creation -- yet he sent His Son to save us!!! Talk about "Amazing Grace"!!!!

Now, I hope you can see why each new revelation of the majesty of His creation -- as revealed in the APOD images, for example -- fills me with ever-growing awe for the wonder of His love... And, perhaps, you can understand why I now feel that my old position (that I and my world were the center of all) was the height of hubris and arrogance...
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(Was it because we were significant -- or was it because we sinned?)

82 posted on 09/17/2003 6:55:23 PM PDT by TXnMA (No Longer!!! -- and glad to be back home in God's Gountry!!)
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To: RangerHobbit
I enjoyed your post about dogs... thanks.
83 posted on 09/17/2003 7:00:43 PM PDT by Porterville (I spell stuff wrong sometimes, get over yourself, you're not that great.)
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To: TXnMA
Humanity is not all of God's creation, but it is pinnacle of it.
84 posted on 09/17/2003 9:41:35 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
Humanity is not all of God's creation, but it is pinnacle of it.

True...as far as we are able to tell. (Actually, "A little lower than the Angels.") But it can also hit some pretty dismal lows -- as in the Hussein boys...

85 posted on 09/17/2003 10:11:48 PM PDT by TXnMA (No Longer!!! -- and glad to be back home in God's Gountry!!)
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To: bedolido
New! low fat planets.....now with 50% more fiber!
86 posted on 09/17/2003 10:14:38 PM PDT by tophat9000 (The price for Tom to drop is ....Parsky goes ....let Tom have the CA party purse strings)
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To: Spirited
Why would you and others of your ilk post things so obtuse on a thread which, because of it's scientific interests, should be seen by homeschoolers and other young people who can be directed to the thread by email or instant messaging? Why would you want to embarrass, besmirch or defame the reputation of the site in the eyes of their parents and cause conservative views which this site is supposed to evidence to be looked at with the disdain reserved for the Clintonian types? Instead of bringing honor and respect to the site you all are intent on vesting it with a reputation suitable for a dung hill and making our host and those who appreciate the site a laughing stock among the intelligent or the beckoning byword for the porn inclined. Please stop wreaking as much destruction as any DU disrupter and bringing as much shame to the site as Clinton has to this Nation. Your marvelous quick wit and obvious capability with humor would be so refreshing, captivating and joy producing to so many if it reflected wisdom rather than rot. It would bring you great respect rather than disrepute.

Gee aren't we a prude. Lighten up and take the corn cob out.

87 posted on 09/18/2003 5:49:16 AM PDT by holdmuhbeer
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To: Spirited
Why would you and others of your ilk post things so obtuse on a thread which, because of it's scientific interests, should be seen by homeschoolers and other young people who can be directed to the thread by email or instant messaging? Why would you want to embarrass, besmirch or defame the reputation of the site in the eyes of their parents and cause conservative views which this site is supposed to evidence to be looked at with the disdain reserved for the Clintonian types? Instead of bringing honor and respect to the site you all are intent on vesting it with a reputation suitable for a dung hill and making our host and those who appreciate the site a laughing stock among the intelligent or the beckoning byword for the porn inclined. Please stop wreaking as much destruction as any DU disrupter and bringing as much shame to the site as Clinton has to this Nation. Your marvelous quick wit and obvious capability with humor would be so refreshing, captivating and joy producing to so many if it reflected wisdom rather than rot. It would bring you great respect rather than disrepute.

Gee aren't we a prude. Lighten up and take the corn cob out.

88 posted on 09/18/2003 5:49:16 AM PDT by holdmuhbeer
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To: TXnMA
But it can also hit some pretty dismal lows -- as in the Hussein boys...

Of course. But that is our doing, not God's. It has nothing to do with the original order of Creation. God created us in His image, and we are His most prize Creation.

89 posted on 09/18/2003 8:10:39 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Pyro7480
Lattanzio, director of the Centre for Stellar and Planetary Astrophysics have named the star Sylvester.

See the new computer generated images of "That "Bad Ol' Putty Tat".

http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Studio/5657/images/tweet.jpg


90 posted on 09/18/2003 10:35:44 AM PDT by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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