Will Schwarzenegger terminate the GOP?

WND ^ | September 9, 2003 | Tom Ambrose

[joesnuffy]

Will Schwarzenegger terminate the GOP?

Posted: September 9, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

The candidacy of Arnold Schwarzenegger to become the next governor of California appears to be heading toward victory. But Republican elephants would be wise to consider that if they allow this RINO (Republican In Name Only) to win, he may also be responsible for permanently terminating their precious GOP.

What has apparently evaded the thinking of conservative pundits all over America is the long-term impact of Schwarzenegger on the Republican Party's national platform.

In particular, there has been an ongoing battle for many years inside both the California Republican Party and the national Republican Party to change the party's platform to support pro-abortion candidates. Additionally, there are many who would like to see Republicans get behind homosexual rights. This is all part of the Big Tent theory, i.e., if you embrace disenfranchised minorities (just as the Democrats do), you can win more elections.

What these bozos who push for this sort of change will erect, of course, is a circus tent. But should they succeed, the Republican Party will forever be relegated to minority status as they watch the tent collapse around them.

Why?

Because depending upon whose estimates you believe, a minimum of 30 to 40 percent of the Republican Party is composed of religious conservatives. Many conservatives are already suspicious of the party's leadership for not dismantling the Internal Revenue Service and for staying in the United Nations. But if the pro-life platform were to be replaced with a watered-down "we'll suck up to anybody" approach, religious conservatives will walk away in droves.

Regrettably, however, the IQ of the GOP's leadership has diminished over the years, along with their weakening spines. The Estrada debacle, for example, is one in a long series of failures to perform as expected. So it should be no surprise they see Arnold as their chance to get back into the game in California.

But should they succeed, they will then point to Arnold as proof that pro-abortion, pro-homosexual and anti-Second Amendment GOP candidates can win. "That being the case," they will reason, "let's dump the pro-life planks in both the state and national platforms." The death of the Republican Party will quickly follow if they do so.

If any of you doubt this, just remember how badly Perot messed up America by allowing Clinton to win. As a third-party candidate, he walked away with an amazing 19 percent of the popular presidential vote in 1992 simply because people took George Bush's advice to read his lips. If conservative voters will walk away from the GOP over taxes, just imagine what religious conservatives will do over the very passionate topic of abortion.

It is regrettable to see so many conservative pundits declaring their support for Schwarzenegger. Had they all rallied behind Tom McClintock early on, Arnold might never have even gotten into the race.

But McClintock is still a viable candidate and there is still time to turn this around. Indeed, he is the only candidate who has the knowledge needed to fix California. And he has the respect of many Democrats and Republicans alike.

If you elephants value the voters who put you where you are today – not to mention the future of your party – you had better get to Arnold fast and tell him it is he who needs to drop out, not Tom McClintock.

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[2timothy3.16]

They seem to forget snowe, collins ,spector and mccain.

[Conservative_Rob]

and Jeffords

[harrowup]

If you elephants value the voters who put you where you are today – not to mention the future of your party – you had better get to Arnold fast and tell him it is he who needs to drop out, not Tom McClintock.

This is one of the funniest lines I've seen since Dewey beat Truman in '48.

Obviously this retard hasn't noticed that the single issue hard right in California has indeed put the Republicans where they are today...,out of office.

What nonsense.

[old school]

It's apparent that members of the Republican Party don't want to take a look at what the Party's become, (invertebrate and accommodationist). That being the case, someone has to bring 'em the bad news! The Estrada cave-in is just the tip of the iceberg for these gutless wonders. And, now, some sheep in wolves' clothing pretends to the leadership of the Party in California! Now, there's a fruitless pursuit!

[goldstategop]

Well Arnold has moved considerably rightwards since he announced his candidacy and Tom Ambrose's criticism is not completely fair. Given California's circumstances, we may have to settle for someone who is far from perfect. Politics isn't about getting everything on your wish list; its about getting what you can now and fighting for the rest later. How do you think the Democrats brought socialism to California? They didn't do it overnight. We have to learn that taking the country back requires decades of hard work and we're not going to get Americans to all agree with us overnight. And if we insist on all or nothing, no surprise we will end up with nothing.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Because depending upon whose estimates you believe, a minimum of 30 to 40 percent of the Republican Party is composed of religious conservatives. Many conservatives are already suspicious of the party's leadership for not dismantling the Internal Revenue Service and for staying in the United Nations.

Ah, and the "big lie" surfaces again.

The 10% of GOP voters which are persistently threatening to bolt for the whackjobism of the Constimatooshin or Libertarian Parties if the other 90% don't do what they say are not the "base".

What they are is noisy far and beyond their actual numbers, radicalized, and are all too frequently coddled at the expense of good common sense.

What they are is, like this author, sniveling weasels, and the GOP is well to be rid of them.

[2timothy3.16]

and Jeffords

You are right of course, I just don't take anything out of vermont serious, except their great law concerning carry a concealed weapon.

And jumping Jefford is a independant socailist like his buddy bernie saunders.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

This is one of the funniest lines I've seen since Dewey beat Truman in '48.

Calling the author a "retard"? I see the long term intellect awareness of the (R)nold defendors never increases. I find your reference to Dewey very relevant, there is a Dewey/Truman effect in this race, but you certainly are unaware of it. Hope you figure it out soon.

[Flashman_at_the_charge]

Well Arnold has moved considerably rightwards since he announced his candidacy

So let me get this straight, we’re supposed to line up behind a man whose principles can be swayed by the need to attract votes?

[Luis Gonzalez]

Everytime I hear the word "base", I think of a pyramid. As best as I can recall, the base of a pyramid is not the point, but the broadest part of it.

The base of any party is the majority of its voters, not the minority. And most certainly, it's never that segment willing to abandon the party at the drop of a hat over any and all real or imagined complaints.

[kingu]

What they are is, like this author, sniveling weasels, and the GOP is well to be rid of them.

I'm still wondering where they plan on going..

[kingu]

What they are is, like this author, sniveling weasels, and the GOP is well to be rid of them.

I'm still wondering where they plan on going..

[Chancellor Palpatine]

They love the Constimatooshin Party platform - it is a fine place for them to run. They can rant, be unhappy and say all sorts of really stupid things while never getting elected (which is what seems to satisfy them most of all) - and we aren't tainted by their weirder positions, nor will there be any need to include them in any discussions on strategy or policy.

[harrowup]

The base of which you speak is composed of right wing zealots who have destroyed any opportunity for the Republican Party to make any advancements in California.

If you are one of them then have the guts to form a real conservative party in California and stop trying to reshape the Republicans into a knuckledragger party. The Democrats in California are so far over to the left that just maybe the Republicans could win without your support

Your graphics are as silly as your claim to any intelligent political ground. I'm no 'Arnold' supporter and as a Democrat would prefer to see Governor Davis serve out his term in the Comedy Club and avoid having to listen to Bustamente any longer. The Mayor of San Francisco just might take Bustamente to a complete cleanup of the treasury. Since I don't vote in California but do have property there I'm in favor of higher property taxes on a local level just to get the SFO/LAX thieves out of education entirely.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

The Democrats in California are so far over to the left that just maybe the Republicans could win without your support

Get your talking points straight, I thought my fellow knuckle draggers destroyed the opportunity for the RINO party to win, how can they win without me all of a sudden?

You're as confused as your platform.

Your graphics are as silly as your claim to any intelligent political ground.

Pretending to intellectual all of a sudden? Kind of tough when you called the author a "retard"

I'm no 'Arnold' supporter and as a Democrat would prefer to see Governor Davis serve out his term

Well no wonder you hate Conservatives, say no more, say no more!

I'm in favor of higher property taxes on a local level just to get the SFO/LAX thieves out of education entirely.

That makes positively no sense. How can anyone be this naive about politicians and tax money? No wonder you are a Democrat.

[Flashman_at_the_charge]

Are we supposed to line up behind Tom McClintock, a proven loser, who has no principles but that which serve his own ego?

Yes we are. Tom got more crossover votes than any other Republican in the last elections. He should have had our support from the start and we should not have been so eager to anoint Arnold as the chosen one. What are you going to do when enough dirt comes out about Arnold to make him unelectable?

[AnnaZ]

In particular, there has been an ongoing battle for many years inside both the California Republican Party and the national Republican Party to change the party's platform to support pro-abortion candidates. Additionally, there are many who would like to see Republicans get behind homosexual rights. This is all part of the Big Tent theory, i.e., if you embrace disenfranchised minorities (just as the Democrats do), you can win more elections.

What these bozos who push for this sort of change will erect, of course, is a circus tent. But should they succeed, the Republican Party will forever be relegated to minority status as they watch the tent collapse around them.

 

Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.

~ Alexander Hamilton ~

[harrowup]

Read slowly and think.
Local, state and federal offices all held by democrats.
Republicans have been sabotaged by the right wing.
Arnold isn't going to win, with or without the knuckledraggers.
The knuckledraggers (you, apparently) need to get out of the Republican Party and let the moderate and liberal Republicans join forces with the sixteen conservative desert democrats and do a hat dance on the boxer/feinstein/pappadoc new age democrats.

Apparently you don't know how California is governed...it is run by fiat and ballot initiative, in other words, anarchy. Tax 'policy' does not exist in California. Tax anarchy does. Property owners who purchased property in say 1985 don't have to give a damn about the property tax because they can't raise it on appraised value as do most intelligent jurisdictions in the world. I pay more in automobile insurance in California than I do property tax and that is just plain stupid.

I don't hate conservatives. I loathe single issue blowhards who do more shouting than listening whether from the left or the right.

[L,TOWM]

Many conservatives are already suspicious of the party's leadership for not dismantling the Internal Revenue Service and for staying in the United Nations.

This is a hoot. I have NEVER seen either of these positions articulated in the National Platform of the Republican Party. I have seen these positions in the Liberia-tarian Cult of Rand and the Constitwoshon Purty of Amuricah. So, Ron Paul Republicans and Howard Phillips' collection of Those in Need of Haldol are supposed to be our base now? Well Mr. Ambrose, yarbles. Great Bolshy Yarblockos to thee and thine, droogy.

there has been an ongoing battle for many years inside both the California Republican Party and the national Republican Party to change the party's platform to support pro-abortion candidates

That's a mischaracterization. Reagan's Big Tent simply meant that Republicans that were soft on abortion were still better than any democrat. These critters, aka, "Lowell Weicker" and "Nelson Rockefeller" republicans are the original base. The kind that Dutch Reagan made great pains to keep in the party. The "RINOS" like my mom that voted Goldwater in the first election she was of voter age, and devolved into being a Gore voter in 2000. The kind of republican that wants fiscal sanity, a strong defense, and civil liberties, that has become frightened by the single issue republicans. And BTW, speaking of Ronald Reagan, WTF ever happened to the 11th Commandment, huh? Anyone? Anyone at all...?

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

Apparently you don't know how California is governed...it is run by fiat and ballot initiative, in other words, anarchy.

Just because you are asking me to read slowly doesn't mean it will be any harder to see right through your BS. Spoken by a true big government liberal that can't comprehend how effective our initiatives have been. You're a joke, don't tell me to get out of the GOP, no one has been begging you liberals to JOIN! If Republicans ran people who didn't dither to your point of view we could turn out more than 10%. In fact, if they hadn't been circumvented, (the Gann Amendment) we also would have prevented this crisis, but you see the Democrats you vote for like to find holes to increase kickbacks, when they don't find them in the text, they try to invent them.

The 2/3rd super majority needed, which your party is actively trying to get rid of, is the only thing that allowed this to become a glaring debt rather than a collasal tax increase.

Course I'm talking to a wall here attempting to reason with a know it all RINOizer moderate Democrate that agrees with Buffet that property taxes are too low.

[harrowup]

(Stop Dividing the Republican base; vote McClintock on October 7, 2003!)

Second funniest thing I've seen today; the rest of your rant is just plain yada, yada, yada. That means: You've got it ass-backwards.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

Nice avoiding of the topic, desperate Democrate. It ironically changed earlier today. This one is better for you (R)noldistas.

[tpaine]

If you elephants value the voters who put you where you are today – not to mention the future of your party – you had better get to Arnold fast and tell him it is he who needs to drop out, not Tom McClintock.
-world nut daily-



Obviously this retard hasn't noticed that the single issue hard right in California has indeed put the Republicans where they are today...,out of office.
4 -harrowup-


Ah, and the "big lie" surfaces again. The 10% of GOP voters which are persistently threatening to bolt for the whackjobism of the Constimatooshin or Libertarian Parties if the other 90% don't do what they say are not the "base". What they are is, like this author, sniveling weasels, and the GOP is well to be rid of them
-Chancy palp-



You two should get a room, and get something straight between you.
Either the single issue hard right are to blame, or those wackjobian Constimatooshalibertarians..

Please. -- Try to resolve your own delusions before dumping unto your betters.

[harrowup]

I believe the chancellor agrees with me that the hard right has screwed the Republican party. He then goes on to suggest they move on to the libertarian or constitutional parties...if such exist, while I suggest they form a Conservative Party to their liking.

I don't know whether these jokers voted for Perot and/or Buchannan but they sure didn't vote for Bush...either time...and I did. Not sure why you want to lump me in with the chancellor and at the same time get confused about where we differ but be that as it may, who are you rooting for in this debacle?

[tpaine]

. The "RINOS" like my mom that voted Goldwater in the first election she was of voter age, and devolved into being a Gore voter in 2000.
The kind of republican that wants fiscal sanity, a strong defense, and civil liberties, that has become frightened by the single issue republicans.
21 -l,town-


Your mom was no Rino. -- The GOP left her for nixonism.
Once upon a time ALL republicans wanted fiscal sanity, a strong defense, and civil liberties.
Now, the single issue Rinos have frightened her type out of the GOP.

Arnie may not be the right man to get CA republicans back on track, but at least he's a start at throwing the bums out.

[tpaine]

I believe the chancellor agrees with me that the hard right has screwed the Republican party.
He then goes on to suggest they move on to the libertarian or constitutional parties...if such exist, while I suggest they form a Conservative Party to their liking.
I don't know whether these jokers voted for Perot and/or Buchannan but they sure didn't vote for Bush...either time...and I did.

The "hard right" did NOT vote for Bush? - Get a grip. Read FR.
Every single issue nut on FR is convinced that if our maximum leader was only 'free', he would make this a true '~Christian Nation~'.

Not sure why you want to lump me in with the chancellor and at the same time get confused about where we differ

You admit, just above; "I believe the chancellor agrees with me", --- so who's confused? You only differ on form, not substance.

but be that as it may, who are you rooting for in this debacle?

I going on the greatest fool theory, so arnie's me man...

[Don Joe]

"I'm still wondering where they plan on going.."

Well, speaking only for myself, the answer is, "nowhere."

I'm sure there'll be something to keep me busy on election day.

I've got a feeling that this will be the election cycle that finally answers the perennial question tossed out by the glib, smug country club set, i.e., "Well who the hell are they gonna vote for if they don't vote for us?"

The answer will be, "no one."

And the "G"OP can sit on it, and rotate. :)

[harrowup]

damnit tom, you need to go back and read what you wrote. It did not make any sense to lump me with the chancellor and suggest we get a room to get our stories straight.

He may not mind being compared with me, but I most assuredly do not want to be compared with him. He blames the libertarians and constitutionalists for the hard right position of the McClintock cheerleaders here and my observation is that those guys are sitting this one out. What we have is just the same old bunch wanting to take every social issue and cast all into sin who do not support the pro-life position. That isn't conservative. That is nuts.

You can keep annoying me or you can go sit in a corner and behave or I may just put in a call to the terrible texans.

[tpaine]

See? -- I knew if I goaded you into it you would make some sense, and put Chancypalp in his place.

Thanks, excellent work.
I agree 100%:

"--- That isn't conservative. That is nuts."

[harrowup]

I hate it when you use me like a burned out Kelvinator.

[sinkspur]

If conservative voters will walk away from the GOP over taxes, just imagine what religious conservatives will do over the very passionate topic of abortion.

I have to laugh at this.

Many of those "religious conservatives", miffed over taxes, voted for Perot in 1992, who is pro-choice.

Some of these "conservatives" just like to huff-and-puff for attention.

[tpaine]

Just be thankful it was me, not chancy, who realized that your Coldspot was vulnerable, Admiral.

The Chancy one may harbor you no particular ill will, I'm sure.. But keep an eye on your nine around that fella.

[Godebert]

"They love the Constimatooshin Party platform - it is a fine place for them to run. They can rant, be unhappy and say all sorts of really stupid things while never getting elected (which is what seems to satisfy them most of all) - and we aren't tainted by their weirder positions, nor will there be any need to include them in any discussions on strategy or policy."

If the republican party keeps backing liberals like Arnold, you might just get your wish. Despite what you might think...you're no Conservative. The GOP can't win without the Conservative base. So keep pushing your anti-gun, pro-abortion, pro-homosexual agenda on the republican party.

BTW....the Constitution Party platform is only "wierd" if you don't believe the Constitution actually means what it says.

[Godebert]

Arnold Schwarzenegger's views in his own words:

Pro Gun Control

• "I'm for gun control. I'm a peace-loving guy." (Time magazine cover story, Aug 18, 2003) When interviewed on the issues by Sean Hannity on August 27th, Schwarzenegger admitted that he is for gun control. He said he supported both the Brady Bill and the ban on so-called "assault weapons." He said, "Also I would like to close the loophole of the gun shows." When asked by the Sacramento Bee to detail his positions on gun issues (scroll down), Arnold stated that he supports legislation to ban .50-caliber rifles, force gun buyers to pass a state-defined test in order to purchase a handgun, and require load indicators or magazine safety disconnects on new semiauto handguns.
• Pro Abortion
  Schwarzenegger appeared on FoxNews' "Bill O'Reilly" program in May 2001 and said he disagreed with President Bush's pro-life position. "I'm for choice," Schwarzenegger said on the program. "The women should have the choice. The women should decide what they want to do with their bodies. I'm all for that." When interviewed on the issues by Sean Hannity on August 27th, Schwarzenegger admitted again that he is "pro-choice".
• Pro Gay Agenda
  From Cosmopolitan magazine, "I have no sexual standards in my head that say this is good or this is bad. Homosexual-that only means to me that he enjoys sex with a man and I enjoy sex with a woman. It's all legitimate to me." He also supports gay adoption, despite the fact that both conservative Republicans and moderate Democrats voted by a 61 percent margin for Proposition 22, the Defense of Marriage Initiative, which defined marriage as that between a man and a woman. (Newsmax, 28 July 2003)
  When interviewed on the issues by Sean Hannity on August 27th, Schwarzenegger admitted that he is for legalized "domestic partnerships" which would give gay couples the same benefits as marriage.
• Pro Big Government Programs
  Regarding the passage of Proposition 49, a big government social scheme providing funds for after school programs: "Every California child deserves access to a proven, quality, life-changing afterschool program, and now they will have it. My hope is that, as goes California, so goes the rest of our nation." When interviewed on the issues by Sean Hannity on August 27th, Schwarzenegger said that he believes that social programs should be focused on children. He said, "I think the important thing, again, is that we work on education and really make sure that the kids have the first run at our treasury."
  In the same interview with Hannity, Schwarzenegger said that he supports big government programs to buy back leases as a measure to protect the environment. He said, "I think that our state government and our federal government should negotiate to buy back the leases [from the oil companies.]"
  
• Pro Environmentalist Agenda
  When a reporter asked him in early August to detail his positions on the environment, he said "I will fight for the environment. Nothing to worry about."
  When interviewed on the issues by Sean Hannity on August 27th, Schwarzenegger said he did not support offshore oil drilling. He said, "No, absolutely not. I think that we should stop the oil drilling and I think that our state government and our federal government should negotiate to buy back the leases [from the oil companies.]"
  
• Pro Clinton/Anti Impeachment
  In 1999, Schwarzenegger told George magazine of his bitterness about the frenzy over Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton and the waste of time and energy it represented. "That was another thing I will never forgive the Republican Party for," he said. "I was ashamed to call myself a Republican during that period."
  
• Soft on Illegal Immigration
  In a radio interview with KABC radio host Larry Elder on August 27th, Schwarzenegger said that allowing illegal immigrants to stay in the United States is "the right thing to do." Last year, while campaigning for his Prop. 49 after-school programs initiative, Schwarzenegger...declared in answer to a question from the audience: "I would never stand in the way of any child going to school, whether he or she is here legally or illegally, it does not matter." (Sacramento Bee, 24 August)

[Godebert]

It looks like you and Arnold share the same views.

[Don Joe]

Soft on Illegal Immigration

He was also pro-"amnesty" when Hannity interviewed him.

[Kevin Curry]

This is to be expected: self-avowed Democrat harrowup and venom-dripping porn-praising Chancroid Palipitate join in a social conservative bash-fest, pleading for the Republican Party to become just like the Democratic Party. All they need is for murrymom to join the caterwauling.

[tpaine]

This is to be expected: self-avowed Democrat harrowup and venom-dripping porn-praising Chancroid Palipitate join in a social conservative bash-fest, pleading for the Republican Party to become just like the Democratic Party. All they need is for murrymom to join the caterwauling.
39 -curried brains-


Can't you read?
Hr'up, in a post to me just above -- disavowed any political connection to the "Chancroid".

[Nice name by the way, -- your own venom-dripping has always been first rate, which is to be expected, of course.]