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Forced to Play the Rebate Game
Infoworld ^ | 8/14/2003 | Ed Foster

Posted on 08/19/2003 1:32:24 PM PDT by FNU LNU

Forced to Play the Rebate Game

By Ed Foster, Section Columns Posted on Thu Aug 14th, 2003 at 09:23:26 AM PDT

The problem with rebates isn't just those companies that don't want to pay up. For many readers, the biggest problem is just the fact that they are forced to play the rebate game at all.

In a recent weblog entry, I asked readers for feedback on which vendor of IT products was the champ of deadbeat rebates. While there were plenty of nominations, the surprise was how many readers complained about feeling forced to participate in rebate promotions. Rebates that represent a significant part of the price are now so common in many product categories that you have to play the game in order to get the going rate.

Many customers who would prefer to eschew rebates find themselves instead having to fight to get their check. "Rebates are one of the most pervasive frauds in business today," wrote one reader. "While I've has success hounding some of them, the cost of my time and aggravation exceeds the amount of the rebate -- which is what they're counting on. I'd like to see federal regulation of standards for how rebate claims are handled."

Everyone from individual consumers to IT managers can feel the pressure created by after-rebate prices that aren't as low as they seem. "My boss sees these great (after-rebate) prices advertised in the paper, and so he expects that's what he's going to pay," wrote an IT manager. "If you factor in all the hassles of schlepping down to the store, filling out all the forms, screaming when the rebate check doesn't arrive after months and months, etc., our regular vendors can actually give us a much better deal. But he just sees that price."

Deadbeat rebates are all the more costly because they now often represent money no one wants to lose. "We purchased two seats of AutoCad that had a rebate of $200 each," wrote another reader. "We registered for the rebate online and then mailed the required paperwork per the program. Weeks after the specified payment period, I telephoned the rebate center and was asked to re-submit the paperwork via fax, which I did. After another period of months, I called the rebate center to be told that the program had ended, and no further processing was being done. I talked to supervisors and was transferred directly to AutoDesk, who transferred me back to the rebate center when they found out the subject of my call. This circular process went on for about three cycles before I gave up. It looks like we're out $400."

As I've often said, if the company really wanted you to have the after-rebate price, they'd just give you a discount instead. This becomes even more obvious in the case of rebates offered by on-line retailers. "I ordered some software on Amazon.com," wrote one reader. It includes a $30 rebate that is from Amazon. So, why can't Amazon just deduct it from the price? They know it's me that got it. They know they shipped it to me. They know I qualify. So, why do I have to get the software, print out their rebate and receipt -- which they KNOW I have -- and then send it back?"

As always, readers reported a wide variety of lame excuses and sneaky outs used by the deadbeats. "An (OfficeMax rebate) on an HP LaserJet 1200 was advertised for $100," wrote one reader. "The rebate was prominently listed in the OfficeMax February flyer, and ads for the rebate were prominently displayed over the printer on 10 February, when I bought one. The very fine print on the rebate coupon claimed only three days in January and Feb 1, as the purchase window. Why the signs were left up in the store two weeks later and why 'February's' rebate book prominently listed the rebate -- and why their cash register gave you a rebate slip for that item -- one can only guess."

So who did readers say was the worst offender when it comes to debate rebates? It was a close vote, with Autodesk, Amazon, Canon, Circuit City, CompUSA, Dell, HP, IBM, Maxtor, Microsoft, OfficeMax, Parago/RebatesHQ.com, RebateStatus.com, Roxio, Sony, and Toshiba all receiving multiple votes. Coming in a strong second was our old friend Intuit, mostly on the basis of complaints about TurboTax rebates. (Yes, at the very same time Intuit was alienating so many TurboTax customers with its product activation scheme, it was also annoying them with rebate problems.)

Edging them out all out, though, was Symantec. Most of the problems with Symantec seemed to involve difficultly in communicating with the company and/or rebate fulfillment house RebateStatus.com over missing rebates. "For me, the champ is Symantec," wrote one reader. " Two software suites, neither rebate was honored, for nonsensical reasons. Additionally, they don't answer e-mail . . . they have an (automated system) doing that. They're bye-bye for me, as opposed to buy-buy. When my subscription runs out, it will be the end of the line."

Of course, it should be noted that a number of readers said they use rebates all the time without any significant problem. And some rebate purveyors received praise, mostly notably Sam's Club. Readers reported the WalMart-owned membership warehouse makes it easy to apply for rebates on-line, and will even notify them by e-mail when they are in danger of missing the application deadline for a rebate.

So apparently there is more than one way to play the rebate game. If rebates are a game we must play, let's just hope that Symantec, Intuit, etc. learn to do it the right way.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: rebates
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Here's a topic I'd like to see batted around a little.
1 posted on 08/19/2003 1:32:25 PM PDT by FNU LNU
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To: FNU LNU
Here's a topic I'd like to see batted around a little.

Still waiting for a rebate on this Cornea Monitor. Add that to the Fraud/Scammer list.

Let's not forget Iomega as well, whose actions resulted in a Class Action by several AG's.

Now, when I buy, if there is a rebate offer, I buy another brand. I refuse to buy anything offered with a rebate. Just SHUT UP and tell me the real price, and I will buy, or not, because I am The Customer, and for all intents and purposes, The Boss.

I have faithfully stuck to this policy for the last year after I was scammed on the monitor, and intend to continue it...It makes me respect myself more.

2 posted on 08/19/2003 1:40:37 PM PDT by Gorzaloon (Contents may have settled during shipping, but this tagline contains the stated product weight.)
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To: FNU LNU
The very fine print on the rebate coupon claimed only three days in January and Feb 1

Similiar thing happened to me with Partition Magic bought at a CompUSA. In a huge font it screemed TWENTY DOLLARS OFF and in a font 1/10th the size it said "for current users" Not till I got home and opened it up did I read the requirement to send in a proof of purchase from the old version. Needless to say I haven't purchased another version from a company that uses deceptive tactics like this.
3 posted on 08/19/2003 1:43:27 PM PDT by lelio
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To: Gorzaloon
"Now, when I buy, if there is a rebate offer, I buy another brand. I refuse to buy anything offered with a rebate."

Ditto. Since 1988 when Champion sparkplugs burned me on a rebate. "Instant rebate" at checkstand? That's a different story.

4 posted on 08/19/2003 1:52:06 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: lelio
I would have taken it right back to CompUSA for a refund.
5 posted on 08/19/2003 1:53:31 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
"Now, when I buy, if there is a rebate offer, I buy another brand. I refuse to buy anything offered with a rebate."

Ditto for me too.

6 posted on 08/19/2003 1:57:07 PM PDT by Neanderthal
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To: FNU LNU
I don't deal with rebates. I avoid products promoted this way, unless the need is such that I can ignore the 'after-rebate' price and just buy the thing.

My first computer job was as a tech at a a store that sold things this way. Customers would get burned by the manufacturer on mail-in rebates, and they'd come in and scream at us about it.

'Ah HATES Rebates!'
/Yosemite Sam
7 posted on 08/19/2003 1:59:34 PM PDT by Riley
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To: Neanderthal
Ditto also. Maybe we can get the companies to learn.
8 posted on 08/19/2003 1:59:34 PM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: Aric2000
It was a close vote, with Autodesk, Amazon, Canon, Circuit City, CompUSA, Dell, HP, IBM, Maxtor, Microsoft, OfficeMax, Parago/RebatesHQ.com, RebateStatus.com, Roxio, Sony, and Toshiba all receiving multiple votes.

Uh-oh!

9 posted on 08/19/2003 2:04:44 PM PDT by balrog666 (Ignorance never settles a question. -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: FNU LNU
Maybe it'd be easier if he drove to the store instead of "schlepping"... whatever TF that is.
10 posted on 08/19/2003 2:16:06 PM PDT by Redbob
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To: balrog666
uh-oh is right, hmm, well, all I can say is that Maxtor had better not screw me, or they are gonna get a screwing that they will not soon forget, and I will end up with LOTS of free hard drives!!

Thanks for the ping to this!!
11 posted on 08/19/2003 2:17:52 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: FNU LNU
Damned straight. I hate the effin' rebates I get all the time from Costco, Sam's, etc. These are significant buckeroos that I am expected to go shake down the Post Office for stamps, just to get money in several months.

Yes, this is IT primarily in the article, but the idea has gotten as out of hand as the *(%^* telemarketers.

12 posted on 08/19/2003 2:20:25 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (© 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: FNU LNU
It oughta be called rebait!
13 posted on 08/19/2003 2:23:05 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Go ahead, make my day and re-state the obvious! Again!)
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To: Cyber Liberty
I hate the effin' rebates I get all the time from Costco

The one time I've had to deal with a rebate from Costco it was painless. They printed out a second receipt for me to send in to the manufacturer (or was it Costco?). Anyway it was about as easy as it could get.
14 posted on 08/19/2003 2:23:28 PM PDT by lelio
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To: FNU LNU
Of course, it should be noted that a number of readers said they use rebates all the time without any significant problem.

Count me in that camp. I do scores of rebates a year...never had a problem.

15 posted on 08/19/2003 2:30:14 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: lelio
No. "Easy as it gets" is a reasonably priced item in the first place. Why should I have to hustle the cash? And then wait (Not very long in the case of Costco).

Here's my specific beef with the hassle of the process: I pay all my bills online though my bank. I never go to the mailbox to mail anything. Here in Arizona, we have a post office that does bright things like stopping mail pick-up at my neighborhood mailbox.

Therefore, a rebate is a totally special trip to a backwards government agency, to buy the stupid stamp that I used to buy in books and rolls, but never do now. Then I drop it in the box and hope that I used a big enough envelope to keep the machines from shredding it.

16 posted on 08/19/2003 2:31:03 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (© 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: Revolting cat!
My advice - STAY AWAY FROM OFFICE MAX - THEY WILL SCREW YOU ON REBATES - and if you ever see an offer from easyrebates.com look the other way cause youre not going to get a dime from them. The rebate game is a huge scam!
17 posted on 08/19/2003 2:37:22 PM PDT by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: FNU LNU
I bought the Norton Antivirus product from Symantec several months ago. They never ended up charging me the 30 or 40 bucks. Disorganized on both ends.
18 posted on 08/19/2003 2:55:33 PM PDT by Charlie OK
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To: sasafras
My advice - STAY AWAY FROM OFFICE MAX - THEY WILL SCREW YOU ON REBATES

The problem is the rebate consolidation system that Office Max advertises (or used to - it may have died of embarrassment): you send all your rebate sales slips to Office Max itself, and they will apply en masse for you. The problem is that the PO box number in Young America, MN, changes every month. No matter how promptly you send the rebates in, your letter always comes back "no such PO Box".

19 posted on 08/19/2003 3:04:19 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: FNU LNU
I can't remember what software it was I bought now, but I remember getting the $20 rebate 8 months after I mailed it. I had long since given up on it.


20 posted on 08/19/2003 7:58:26 PM PDT by packrat35 (reality is for people who can't face science fiction)
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