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Posted on 08/19/2003 5:05:43 AM PDT by AppyPappy

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To: MrLeRoy
what I oppose is using existing social programs as an excuse for other violations of rights.

You honestly believe that legalizing drugs will not unleash a whole flood of new social programs designed to aid teen, minority, women, senior, family, and employee "victims" of drug abuse? The left just can't wait for the day drugs are legalized so that they can set up more worthless programs designed for the sole purpose of raking money out of the public's pockets.

The day heroin is legalized is the day the Federal Needle Exchange Program goes into effect. The day marijuana is legalized is the day the Feds begin subsidizing the pot farmers of the Pacific Coast.

Is this cynical? Maybe. Is this accurate? You know that this is precisely what will happen.

Do I care about the rights of recreational drug users? Well, if it came down to having lunch with someone smoking medical marijuana for his bad knee or a pedophile I'd probably go with the pot smoker. Other than that, ignoring the violated rights of drug users is pretty high up on my list of priorities....

21 posted on 08/20/2003 1:08:53 PM PDT by freebilly
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To: freebilly
So you care about paying for social programs only when drugs other than alcohol are involved. Why is that?

Got to draw a line somewhere. The camel's nose is already under the tent. I don't want anymore of him getting in, but if you think you're gonna get that portion of him out of the tent that's already in then you're crazy.

And those who think they can get the illegal-drug-use part of his nose out of the tent are just as crazy.

22 posted on 08/20/2003 1:45:36 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: MrLeRoy
And those who think they can get the illegal-drug-use part of his nose out of the tent are just as crazy.

Correct. I just don't want the legal drug use part of his nose in the tent, too.

23 posted on 08/20/2003 1:48:32 PM PDT by freebilly
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To: freebilly
You honestly believe that legalizing drugs will not unleash a whole flood of new social programs designed to aid teen, minority, women, senior, family, and employee "victims" of drug abuse?

New programs? Nonsense---where are the existing programs specifically aiding alcohol users?

24 posted on 08/20/2003 1:52:40 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: freebilly
I just don't want the legal drug use part of his nose in the tent, too.

By how much do you think relegalization would increase drug use, and by how much do you think that increased use would increase government spending?

25 posted on 08/20/2003 1:55:10 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: freebilly
Are drug users' "rights" violated while "alcohol" users' rights are not? Probably. Big deal. [...] I reserve to be selective in the fights I pick with Big Brother.

"First they came for the Jews. I was silent. I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists. I was silent. I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists. I was silent. I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me. There was no one left to speak for me." - Martin Niemöller

26 posted on 08/20/2003 2:03:00 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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Let's see, here in Sonoma County we have existing CA State programs and County programs for Alcohol Abuse. I was in traffic court last week and heard DUI case after DUI case referred to some type of repeat offender program, youthful offender diversion program, court mandated alcohol abuse awareness program, etc., etc. The State mandates warning labels, on alcohol's harmful effects, on alcoholic beverages and that warnings be posted on any establishment serving alcohol.

At the Federal level I'm sure the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare has terrific ways of spending federal tax dollars on alcohol awareness programs for pregnant teens, etc, etc, etc....

27 posted on 08/20/2003 2:06:14 PM PDT by freebilly
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To: MrLeRoy
When drug using Jews are marched to the gas chambers let me know. Until then, tough titty....
28 posted on 08/20/2003 2:07:27 PM PDT by freebilly
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To: MrLeRoy
By how much do you think relegalization would increase drug use, and by how much do you think that increased use would increase government spending?

Legalization would increase drug use 0% and increase government spending 1000%.

29 posted on 08/20/2003 2:08:52 PM PDT by freebilly
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Nonsense---where are the existing programs specifically aiding alcohol users?

I was in traffic court last week and heard DUI case after DUI case referred to some type of repeat offender program, youthful offender diversion program, court mandated alcohol abuse awareness program, etc., etc.

That's not aid for boozers---it's a search for a cheaper and/or more effective way to protect the rest of us from boozers.

The State mandates warning labels, on alcohol's harmful effects, on alcoholic beverages and that warnings be posted on any establishment serving alcohol.

That's not aid for boozers, either. And how much do you think those mandates cost the government (us), anyway?

At the Federal level I'm sure the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare has terrific ways of spending federal tax dollars on alcohol awareness programs for pregnant teens, etc, etc, etc....

That's not aid for boozers, either. And I'll bet they also already have such programs for illegal drugs---so keeping them illegal yields no savings.

30 posted on 08/20/2003 2:15:08 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: freebilly
When drug using Jews are marched to the gas chambers let me know. Until then, tough titty....

You don't have any habits/vices that may one day attract the government's disfavor? No fatty foods? No rock-climbing or other hazardous hobbies?

31 posted on 08/20/2003 2:17:04 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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Legalization would increase drug use 0%

OK.

and increase government spending 1000%.

How? Why?

32 posted on 08/20/2003 2:18:07 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: MrLeRoy
That's not aid for boozers---it's a search for a cheaper and/or more effective way to protect the rest of us from boozers.

It's a waste of money, based on the number of repeat offenders who've been through the various programs without success....

33 posted on 08/20/2003 2:21:01 PM PDT by freebilly
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To: MrLeRoy
That's not aid for boozers

I didn't mention our County funded mental health facility (1/2 the benefactors are alcoholics) or our County funded Alcohol Rehab Center....

34 posted on 08/20/2003 2:23:38 PM PDT by freebilly
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That's not aid for boozers---it's a search for a cheaper and/or more effective way to protect the rest of us from boozers.

It's a waste of money, based on the number of repeat offenders who've been through the various programs without success....

You could very well be right---but the point remains that such programs are not aid for substance users.

35 posted on 08/20/2003 2:48:51 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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I didn't mention our County funded mental health facility (1/2 the benefactors are alcoholics)

I'll bet a number of the beneficiaries are illegal drug users---so no new programs from drug relegalization there.

or our County funded Alcohol Rehab Center....

Are you sure your county doesn't also fund a drug rehab center?

36 posted on 08/20/2003 2:50:36 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: freebilly
I reserve to be selective in the fights I pick with Big Brother.

So you're conservative when it suits you?

37 posted on 08/20/2003 2:58:43 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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So you're conservative when it suits you?

Damn right! I'm practical if nothing else.

38 posted on 08/20/2003 4:59:30 PM PDT by freebilly
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To: MrLeRoy
Are you sure your county doesn't also fund a drug rehab center?

I'm sure they do. And when they legalize drugs the county will be sure to include additional funding in their budget for gay, lesbian, and transgendered people of color who abuse drugs. And of course, in CA, we must have funds for full color, glossy, bi-lingual brochures announcing to the illegal immigrant community that drugs in CA are now legal, and that anyone who has had a problem with drug abuse or addiction in the past (but was afraid to see anyone about the problem for fear of being arrested or deported) is now free to seek taxpayer funded assistance in the form of detox, rehab, counseling, vocational training, and career placement services....

39 posted on 08/20/2003 5:16:17 PM PDT by freebilly
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To: freebilly
Are you sure your county doesn't also fund a drug rehab center?

I'm sure they do.

Then drug relegalization will yield no new program there.

40 posted on 08/21/2003 6:44:45 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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