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Schwarzenegger Adviser Buffett Suggests California Property Taxes Are Too Low
The Wall Street Journal ^ | August 15, 2003 | JOSEPH T. HALLINAN

Posted on 08/15/2003 10:23:44 AM PDT by Pubbie

Targeting State's Proposition 13 Is Unlikely Republican Stance

Warren Buffett, the billionaire financial adviser to Arnold Schwarzenegger's campaign for California governor, strongly suggested in an interview that the state's property taxes need to be higher.

Mr. Buffett, the chairman of Berkshire Hathaway Inc., took on California's famous Proposition 13, which has limited property taxes there since 1978. As an example, he pointed out the difference between his own property-tax bills for homes he owns in California and Nebraska.

His home in Omaha, he said, is valued at roughly $500,000. His current yearly property tax bill on that home: $14,401.

In California, he owns a Laguna Beach home valued at $4 million, or eight times as much. The annual property taxes on that home are just $2,264 -- a fraction of what he pays in Omaha.

More to the point, said Mr. Buffett, the taxes on his Omaha home rose $1,920 this year, compared with $23 on the Laguna Beach home. Mr. Buffett attributed the scant jump in California to the restrictions of Proposition 13, which generally limits property-tax increases to 2% a year, no matter how much the value of a property appreciates.

Mr. Buffett stopped short of saying he would urge Mr. Schwarzenegger to seek a reversal of Proposition 13 to increase property taxes -- a move that would almost certainly be attacked by many of Mr. Schwarzenegger's fellow Republicans. But he left little doubt that that is where he is leaning.

"This property-tax illustration, that tells you, you can draw certain conclusions from that," said Mr. Buffett. Noting that tax assessments also vary widely, he said of the tax system, "In effect, it makes no sense."

"But you've got to look at everything," he added. "I took the job yesterday. And it's going to be his [Schwarzenegger's] policies. Any advice I give is going to be to him."

The state has been roiled by financial troubles tied to the economic downturn and the recent state energy crisis, factors fueling the effort to recall Gov. Gray Davis. Standard & Poor's Corp. has downgraded California bonds to a triple-B rating, the worst in the nation and two notches above junk-bond status.

Proposition 13 limits on property taxes aren't directly responsible for California's current fiscal problems, which had the state facing a deficit of $38 billion for the fiscal year that started July 1. But in general, the limitations on property taxes have forced state government to rely on other taxes, such as the personal income tax, and to engage in complicated maneuvers to reallocate the state's revenue and help entities that faced funding gaps, especially schools. Even with those constraints, state spending grew faster than inflation in the 1990s, but then leveled off and is down this year.

Mr. Schwarzenegger, like other candidates, has vowed to improve the state's fiscal picture. But suggestions that tax increases could be an answer could represent a problem for Republicans and the Bush White House, who have pursued tax cuts as the best way to improve the economy overall. Democrats are sure to leap at the contradiction, and the Buffett comments may likely to deepen the biggest fear of many national Republicans: that the moderate views of Mr. Schwarzenegger, for all his appeal as a candidate, could spark infighting within the party.

Sean Walsh, a spokesman for the campaign, said, "The proposals and courses [Mr. Schwarzenegger] chooses will be his own." The campaign announced late Thursday that Mr. Buffet and former Secretary of State George P. Shultz will co-head an "Economic Recovery Council" to advise the campaign, and he said that Mr. Buffet's voice would be one among its members. "The breadth of economic and financial views will be presented to Arnold," Mr. Walsh said.

In the interview, Mr. Buffett also said people approached Berkshire Hathaway and other financial firms a few months ago on behalf of the state of California, seeking to secure buyers for the state's bonds if necessary. "California was looking in the financial market for, in effect, a 'put,' or guarantee, by financial institutions that they would be able to come to market with bonds about nine months hence," said Mr. Buffett.

A spokesman for the California Treasurer said the department had "no knowledge of any state representative approaching Mr. Buffett." Steve Peace, California's director of finance, said investment bankers might have initiated such a discussion, but not with any official authorization by the state of California. He said the bond issue most likely involved -- a $10.7 billion limited sales tax bond -- has not yet been issued.

Mr. Buffett said that in the discussion with Berkshire Hathaway, the state was willing to pay 0.75 percentage point, or about $80 million, to firms such as Berkshire if they would agree to buy between $10 billion and $11 billion in bonds.

"That's a lot of money to pay for a put," said Mr. Buffett. "It's a couple bucks for every citizen of California." Just a year earlier, said Mr. Buffett, the fee for such a put was just 0.18 percentage point. "I thought about doing it," he said, but decided against it. Berkshire, he said, owns no California bonds.

Mr. Buffett's comments come a day after he startled many political observers by jumping into politics in the nation's biggest state, especially on the side of a Republican candidate. He is usually associated with Democratic causes. "I don't worry about that," he said. "I vote for far more Democrats than I vote for Republicans. But I vote for plenty of Republicans."

Among Mr. Schwarzenegger's competitors for the governor's seat is a longtime acquaintance of Mr. Buffett, former baseball commissioner Peter V. Ueberroth, who sits on the board of the Coca-Cola Co. with Mr. Buffett. Mr. Buffett said he hadn't known Mr. Ueberroth would be a candidate. Referring to Mr. Ueberroth and former Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan, another candidate, he said, "Peter is very able. Dick Riordan is very able. But Arnold, he's a very smart fellow. He has brains and muscle. Some of us have neither."

Through Berkshire, in which he controls about a third of the shares, Mr. Buffett has billions of dollars invested in the state of California. Those holdings include about $2.67 billion in stock of San Francisco based Wells Fargo & Co., along with other businesses, such as See's Candies and MidAmerican Energy Holdings Co., the nation's third-largest owner of natural gas pipelines. MidAmerican does substantial business in California. Its Kern River Gas Transmission Co. operates a 926-mile pipeline from Wyoming to the San Joaquin Valley near Bakersfield, Calif.

"The truth is California has got very serious financial problems," Mr. Buffett said. "It's an economy that's the size of France and there's no way the U.S. is going to have a healthy economy if California continues to have the problems it has . . . I've got a selfish interest in this country doing well, no doubt about that."

Mr. Buffett said his preliminary assessment of California showed that the state's budget had depended on billions of dollars collected in capital gains taxes, much of it generated by the bull market of the late 1990s. "In effect," he said, "they set their financial planning based on a financial bubble." Now that those gains are gone, California's budget must be balanced by money from elsewhere.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: arnold; arnoldschwarzenegger; buffet; calgov2002; california; schwarzenegger; warrenbuffet; warrenbuffett
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1 posted on 08/15/2003 10:23:44 AM PDT by Pubbie
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To: Sabertooth; kellynla; Torie
Guard yourselves - The WhoreAcle of Omaha is coming for YOUR bank accounts! :(
2 posted on 08/15/2003 10:25:08 AM PDT by Pubbie (Bill Owens for Prez and Jeb as VP in '08.)
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To: Pubbie
Hey SHHHH!!!! No one wants to hear this. Cover your ears everyone, turn off Rush and look the other way. We won't hear anything to burst our movie-star bubble.
3 posted on 08/15/2003 10:25:38 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Fighting for Freedom and Having Fun)
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To: Pubbie
That should sober up some Republicans! Hope so, anyways!
4 posted on 08/15/2003 10:26:20 AM PDT by SolutionsOnly
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To: SolutionsOnly
No....they will continue to rationalize....rationalize....rationalize. It will be amusing to see how they try to do it, however.
5 posted on 08/15/2003 10:28:33 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: SolutionsOnly
Looks like I need to re-engineer my tag line......
6 posted on 08/15/2003 10:28:37 AM PDT by spokeshave (A vote for Tom McClintock, Bill Simon or Peter Ueberroth is a vote for Cruz Bustamante)
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To: Pubbie
"In California, he owns a Laguna Beach home valued at $4 million, or eight times as much. The annual property taxes on that home are just $2,264 -- a fraction of what he pays in Omaha"

I freely admit I find that amazing. I would pay half that in Florida on a $100,000 house.

By the way, if he is so concerned about the school system, I think instead of raising everyone's taxes, he should donate that house to the school system.

People need to understand that taxes are slavery.
7 posted on 08/15/2003 10:29:49 AM PDT by I still care
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To: Pubbie
"I vote for far more Democrats than I vote for Republicans. But I vote for plenty of Republicans."

How may places and how often does this guy vote? Is he confusing voting with giving money?

9 posted on 08/15/2003 10:33:26 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Pubbie
Arnold, NO

McClintock, YES

10 posted on 08/15/2003 10:34:35 AM PDT by mallardx
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To: I still care
I didn't think Florida had an income tax. California is 9.3% for > $38K.

Nebraska is 6.84 for > $26k.
11 posted on 08/15/2003 10:34:35 AM PDT by evolved_rage (Davis is a POS!)
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To: I still care
This is a duplicate thread.

On the other thread, a poster said its because he has had the house for so long it has appreciated. Prop 13 limits how much the tax can be increased.

If he bought the house today, he would be paying 40,000 or so.

I am paraphrasing another poster but it made sense to me.

12 posted on 08/15/2003 10:36:05 AM PDT by ProudGOP
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To: Pubbie
There's no way he pays that little on a $4 million house here in Cal. It's more like $40,000.+

I think the doofus looked at his MONTHLY tax bill (escrow) on his Cal home, and compared it to his ANNUAL bill on the house in Omaha.

13 posted on 08/15/2003 10:36:54 AM PDT by Henchster
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To: evolved_rage
We don't. I'm not complaining.

In NY I paid $6100 on a $250,000 house, and there was a NY state income tax too. It was way too high to stay there, that is why I came to FL.

14 posted on 08/15/2003 10:37:19 AM PDT by I still care
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To: Pubbie
The fact that taxes are astronomical in Nebraska doesn't mean that they are too low in California. 14K for a 500K house is a lot!! In OK, taxes are about $1,200 on a 130K house.
15 posted on 08/15/2003 10:37:20 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: SolutionsOnly
Replacing high income taxes with higher property taxes makes sense to me. I always prefer consumption-based taxation. Don't like it, choose a less expensive home. The problem would be if Arnie jacked up the property tax rate without cutting anything else
16 posted on 08/15/2003 10:37:36 AM PDT by Callahan
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To: Pubbie
Arnold better put a cork in that one or he will lose. I pay $4,700 a year in property taxes on a house I bought last year. That is too much. Arnold needs to kill that comment quickly. No more taxes! If someone buys a $4,000,000 house now the taxes will be over $50,000 a year.If Buffet want so pay more he can. Liberel puke alert.
17 posted on 08/15/2003 10:37:51 AM PDT by novacation
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To: Austin Willard Wright
No....they will continue to rationalize....rationalize....rationalize. It will be amusing to see how they try to do it, however.

Huh? Although I am not a California resident, I questioned Arnold bringing Buffett on to his team.

JMO, but Arnold made a major mistake, but the only other realistic contender is Bustamante.

It's a political minefield out there, and California is the biggest of all, for candidates and voters.

18 posted on 08/15/2003 10:38:43 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Pubbie
Wasn't someone saying that Ahnuld was a Republican? Sure doesn't sound like it to me.
19 posted on 08/15/2003 10:38:51 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: spokeshave
It won't be the last edit you have to make on your tagline, I reckun. LOL ;-)
20 posted on 08/15/2003 10:39:18 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...&&&&&&&&&...SuPPort FRee Republic.....www.TomMcClintock.com..... NEVER FORGET)
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