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Canada Uncertain Over Cause of Blackout
AP via Yahoo ^ | August 15, 2003 | By TOM COHEN

Posted on 08/15/2003 5:28:32 AM PDT by D. Brian Carter

TORONTO - Canadian officials insisted a massive blackout Thursday across the Northeast and parts of Canada originated in the United States, though U.S. power workers denied that and American officials blamed Canada.

In the hours of confusion after the outage — the biggest in U.S. history — Canada's government offered conflicting explanations for the blackout, blaming it first on lightning in Niagara, then a fire at a Niagara plant, and next a fire at a Pennsylvania nuclear power plant.

Canada's defense minister later backed off some of those theories, though remained firm that the source of the problem was in the U.S. section of the intricate power grid shared by the northeastern United States and Ontario.

"The source is an outage in a northeastern United States power plant," said McCallum's spokesman Shane Diaczuk.

In the United States, officials were looking at a power transmission problem from Canada as the most likely cause of the outage, said a spokeswoman for New York Gov. George Pataki. There was no sign of terrorism, officials in New York and Washington agreed.

The changing theories started several hours after the power went out at about 4:15 p.m. EDT.

Jim Munson, a spokesman for Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien said: "We have been informed that lightning struck a power plant in the Niagara region on the U.S. side." The premier's office later said a fire at the Niagara plant in New York caused the blackout, while the defense minister said the fire was at a Pennsylvania nuclear plant.

"That is absolutely not true," said Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency spokeswoman Maria Smith. "It's bizarre. We have a direct line to each of our five (nuclear) power plants and they are all running at 100 percent ... There's not even a trash can fire, we would know."

Brian Warner of the New York Power Authority said he wasn't sure where the power failure originated.

"The New York Power Authority's Niagara Power Project has at no time during this incident cease to operate. We also have not experienced a lightning strike at that facility," he said.

An Associated Press reporter in Niagara said the plant was running and that lights were on. A plant employee emerged to speak to the media and to deny any lightning incident.

"That type of equipment failure, we would have known about right off the bat," said Joanne Willmott, regional manager for community relations for the New York Power Authority. "A lighting strike that triggered an equipment failure would have shown up in our control room."

In his earlier comments, the defense minister did not name the plant in Pennsylvania where he believed there was a fire or give further details. But his spokesman later said that McCallum and other Canadian officials were getting their information from a variety of sources, including some in the United States, as the situation unfolded.

In Canada, blackouts were reported in Toronto, as well as Ottawa in the province's eastern reaches and in much of Ontario. The blackout had not spread as far as Thunder Bay in northwestern Ontario, suggesting power in the north was sporadic.

Ontario Premier Ernie Eves declared a state of emergency for the province and asked any nonessential or non-emergency workers to stay home Friday.

In Sudbury, Ontario, 210 miles north of Toronto, more than 100 miners at a Falconbridge nickel mine were staying in underground lunchrooms because the outage halted elevators to bring them to the surface.

"I wouldn't call it an emergency situation right now — they've got plenty of water, and the ventilation is still operational with the backup power," Sudbury police Staff Sgt. Al Asunmaa said. "They're not in any immediate danger right now."

Power was also knocked out on Parliament Hill, leaving scant emergency lighting.

In Toronto, streetcars preparing to transport workers around downtown for the evening rush hour ground to a halt, sending riders into the street to hail taxi cabs.

Some people ended up directing traffic on their own.

Wearing a suit and tie, Peter Carayiannis waved vehicles through one busy intersection. "I've been doing this for about 45 minutes because nobody else is," he said.

"The streetcar can't go anywhere, you just have to wait," said Mike Collins, a streetcar driver with the Toronto Transit Commission.

Diane Grover, spokeswoman for the Canadian defense department, said Canada "considers this an act of nature in the Niagara region on the U.S. side of the border. It has caused a cascading power outage affecting 9,300 square miles," she said.

Grover said the power company, Ontario Hydro, was in the process of separating itself from the American power grid in order to restore electricity to its customers.

An official at the Ontario power company agreed, saying the problem originated elsewhere.

"We're confident that the trigger for this widespread outage did not occur on our system," said Al Manchee. "There was no indication that there was anything wrong in our system prior to the outage."

He said power was being restored slowly, with substantial progress expected throughout the evening.

Toronto's international airport was one of six, including airports in New York, Newark, Cleveland and Ottawa that was grounded, according to the U.S. Transportation Department.

Millions of Canadians were without power, and the total blackout area covered roughly 50 million people. Electricity was out in a broad swath of the Northeast — stretching west to Ohio and Michigan — and in southern Canadian cities, starting shortly after 4 p.m. EDT.

In Toronto, Canada's largest city with more than 2 million residents, traffic snarled at major intersections as workers denied transportation tried to get home in their own vehicles, in taxis or on foot.

Power began to come back in some cities as afternoon turned to evening, but officials said full restoration would take much longer. The Toronto Stock Exchange said it would open as usual Friday, running on backup power if necessary.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blackout; blamegame; canada; canucks
I've scanned quite a few of the articles this morning, and no one is coming up with a cause for this outage. Of course, logic would say that since the power grid is always at 100% PLUS capacity, something is bound to happen no matter what the cause. But I find it interesting that there were multiple reasons given, each refuted or denied, and no one is able to pinpoint the source of the problem.

Most interesting was the comment from the Penn. EMA rep who said all five nuke plants were still running at 100%. Does that make any sense?

1 posted on 08/15/2003 5:28:32 AM PDT by D. Brian Carter
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To: D. Brian Carter
I just went to www.nrc.gov (the Nuclear Regulatory Commission website). According to it, all five Pennsylvania sites (Beaver Valley, Susquehanna, Peach Bottom, Limerick, Three-Mile Island) have all of their reactors at full power).
2 posted on 08/15/2003 5:41:17 AM PDT by bagman
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To: D. Brian Carter
It's way too early to jump to any conclusions about causes of the disaster. The Canadian officials making official statements about this are absolute jackasses, but we all knew that anyway.

Dubya needs to appoint a commission to look into this. VP Cheney is the obvious candidate to lead the investigation.
3 posted on 08/15/2003 5:44:04 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats
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To: You Dirty Rats
As a Canadian, I am absolutely outraged that "certain" Canadian officials were offering "suggestions" as to what they thought was the source of the problem.

That is unprofessional and those people should be fired. Ever since this war with Iraq our PM (who is retiring in February 2004) has been an absolute jackass.

In reality, its not the "source" for the problem to be blamed here. In my mind - it is why oh why didn't all the saftey checks work to stop the problem from spreading.

And believe me there will be hell to pay in Canada for that ....

4 posted on 08/15/2003 5:49:14 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: hawkaw
I've always been pro-Canada, but this Chretien government is making it more and more dificult with its every utterance. It seems intent on souring relations with the United States. It's going to take a long time to patch up relations, I'm afraid.
5 posted on 08/15/2003 5:55:52 AM PDT by SolutionsOnly
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To: You Dirty Rats
So I guess you'd agree that the various US officials throwing the blame our way are also a-holes? Fact is nobody knows yet and they should all keep their pie-holes shut.
6 posted on 08/15/2003 6:00:05 AM PDT by -YYZ- (This message has been brought to you by the voice of reason, which nobody wants to hear)
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To: hawkaw
Canada is far too fine a country to have such men in charge of the government.

Don Cherry for PM!
7 posted on 08/15/2003 6:00:08 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats
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To: -YYZ-
ANYBODY tossing blame around this early is an a-hole.

Fact is, both the U.S. and Canada have had devastating and embarassing power outages. Wasn't Montreal affected a few years ago?

I think a lot of these politicians are the ones with power outages -- in their brains!

How is the power in Toronto? We have an office in Mississauga that I was working with right up until the outage yesterday.
8 posted on 08/15/2003 6:04:01 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats
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To: SolutionsOnly
I fully agree. If you have a personal tiff because of your politicial or personal views with each other, you keep it quiet and you don't try to make the other side look bad publically - that's what professional leadership is all about. You wait for an investigation of the facts and correct the problem. What the PMO's office did was unprofessional and its people like me you have to pay for the leadership's stupidness.

hawk

9 posted on 08/15/2003 6:05:23 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: You Dirty Rats
Power at my house in Hamilton came back on around 9pm last night. Power at my office in Burlington (Going east from Toronto - Missisauga, Etobicoke, Burlignton, Hamiton) was restored around 5 am today. I'm at work now.
10 posted on 08/15/2003 6:29:51 AM PDT by -YYZ- (This message has been brought to you by the voice of reason, which nobody wants to hear)
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To: D. Brian Carter
You know, it USED to be acceptable to simply state "I dont know - but we are looking in to it."
11 posted on 08/15/2003 7:22:19 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: You Dirty Rats
The Montreal blackout was the result of a natural disaster, not a technical failure. A storm caused heavy ice buildup on the transmission lines, bringing down all feeds to the city. What impressed me was America's response to that crisis- line crews from throughout the USA and Canada converged on the city to restore power. It was a superb reminder of the value of good neighbours.
12 posted on 08/15/2003 7:40:23 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Everyone knows you can't have a successful conspiracy without a Rockefeller)
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To: You Dirty Rats
Right now about 50% of the city is up, but we have been informed that there will be rotating blackouts until at least Monday because two of the three nuclear plants had to be shut down. I have had power at my house since 6am EDT but am not counting on it.
13 posted on 08/15/2003 7:42:59 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Everyone knows you can't have a successful conspiracy without a Rockefeller)
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To: D. Brian Carter
Canada's defense minister later backed off some of those theories, though remained firm that the source of the problem was in the U.S. section

"The source is an outage in a northeastern United States power plant," said McCallum's spokesman Shane Diaczuk.

Jim Munson, a spokesman for Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien said: "We have been informed that lightning struck a power plant in the Niagara region on the U.S. side."

Diane Grover, spokeswoman for the Canadian defense department, said Canada "considers this an act of nature in the Niagara region on the U.S. side of the border. It has caused a cascading power outage affecting 9,300 square miles," she said.

An official at the Ontario power company agreed, saying the problem originated elsewhere. "We're confident that the trigger for this widespread outage did not occur on our system," said Al Manchee. "There was no indication that there was anything wrong in our system prior to the outage."

All quotes from Canada squarely put the blame on some event occurring on the US side with no uncertainty. Here are portions of the article that describe the US point of view:

In the United States, officials were looking at a power transmission problem from Canada as the most likely cause of the outage, said a spokeswoman for New York Gov. George Pataki.

Brian Warner of the New York Power Authority said he wasn't sure where the power failure originated.

So we have several officials from the Canadian defense department absolutely certain the problem started on the US side, but US officials either are "looking into" a theory that the problem occurred on the Canadian side, or unsure altogether.

Seems to me that the Canadians are the ones inappropriately jumping to conclusions. I see absolutely no evidence in this article that their American counterparts are.

14 posted on 08/15/2003 7:46:21 AM PDT by freedomcrusader
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To: D. Brian Carter
The Canucks should pinpoint the whereabouts of Snavely Whiplash before blaming US
15 posted on 08/15/2003 7:52:53 AM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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Ah yes, Snidely Whiplash! Forgot about him! Could this be a diversion as he makes off with Sweet Nell? :-)
16 posted on 08/15/2003 8:09:10 AM PDT by SolutionsOnly
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To: SolutionsOnly
I think that the problem up here is that the PM's hated rival is a shoe in to replace him in a few months, and so the PM is 'salting the fields' as much as he can to make things unpleasant for his sucessor. He is a modern day Nero.
17 posted on 08/15/2003 8:26:27 AM PDT by Grig
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To: D. Brian Carter
Finally, Grownups are starting to get involved:

http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB106094065297180100,00.html?mod=special_coverage

exerpt:

Investigators Friday morning said they believed the power outages that crippled the Northeast began in northern Ohio.

"That's where the information is starting to point,'' Ellen Vancko, a spokeswoman for the North American Electric Reliability Council, said in an interview with the Associated Press. ``It looks like that's where the collapse started.''

18 posted on 08/15/2003 8:35:08 AM PDT by SolutionsOnly
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To: D. Brian Carter
Here is the cause

:-)

19 posted on 08/15/2003 9:00:00 AM PDT by Grig
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