Wedding-day kiss will be couple's first

SeattleTimes.nwsource.com ^ | August 9, 2003

[DB]

So I guess these people think hugging their children is incest then...

Sick.

[cajungirl]

What if one of them has bad breath? This is pretty weird if you ask me. I mean some people are really really bad kissers and some are pretty weird in bed. Seems to me if you are planning on a lifetime together, you ought to use the engagement to check it out.

[VOYAGER]

They do hold hands. And their fingers are often interlaced during their premarital sessions with their pastor, associate pastor and counselor. But that's where their physical contact ends.

What a wonderfully and refreshingly difference between these two unusually blessed couple's premarital beliefs and the depths the Episcopal church has plunged into using God's word as their source for their acceptance of a openly homosexual(with all the acceptable filthy activities that a practicing homosexual freely involves himself in)to not only preach their "gospel" but makes him a prince of their "church" with all the attending perks that go with the office such as he also "has the keys to the kingdom" and preaches only the truth, how utterly impossible is this combination!

This is a prime example of what can happen when men go outside of God's boundaries and privately interpret His Word to justify, in this case, annal sex, oral sex with the opposite sex and all the other totally subhuman activities that are attributed to closet or openly homosexual men and women!

What is the most outrageous and totally unacceptable part of this whole farce being perpetrated by the Episcopal church is their total and public acceptance of this as normal and apparently with no shame or retreat!

Back to the beginning, what a difference the observance of the truth can make in people's behavior and the almost exact opposite can occur when the unobservance of the same truths is practiced!

[shiva]

So on the honeymoon night you hear the groom say,"Hey"! and then you hear the bride say,"Surprise"!

[rintense]

Agreed. I can respect the sex part, but touching (just a simple brush of the cheek, not a grab of the arse), kissing, cuddling, hugging, etc. help establish intimacy- a key ingredient in a good sex life. If they don't know how to be intimate, sex will be nothing more than sex.

[don-o]

I think this guy is ... unique.

In this sin sick and cursed world, he is unique.

Of such are heroes and role models made.

And I expect this thread to be dominated by the usual Beavis and Butthead level of response.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Yeah, well, that's the kind of joke that isn't going to go over too well with women. I guess you anticipated that, huh? : )

[Alouette]

I can't imagine there would be another person in the world who would accept no hugging or kissing before marriage.Jeez

Orthodox Jews. Amish. Muslims. Although for Muslims the ban is only on men kissing and hugging women.

[VOYAGER]

An error has occurred; Change "opposite sex" to "same sex"!

So let it be written so let it be done!

[kcar]

So what if the guy's actually a closet-gay and wanted a "Socratic" relationship that wouldn't acutely overtax his acting abilities, and now the gig's up?
Spinning the wheels before signing a long-term contract is a wonderfully pragmatic idea for a variety of reasons.
These kids had their heads filled by crap: hope they can recover.

[July 4th]

You make a good point. Part of a successful marriage is a physical attraction. I think there is a good argument for at least "checking each other out" beforehand. And the bad kissing part can be worked on.

[VOYAGER]

"sex will be nothing more than sex".

Since cancer treatment(Prostectomy)has taken my prostate gland and all the little attending appertenances I would settle for just a normal erection and guess who else would be just as happy.

I joke here because even though all above is true it's not that big a deal after 54 years of connubial bliss.

By the way nothing can reverse this inability of mine so don't suggest any of grandma's home remedies, thanks anyway.

I am thankful I tee tee when, where and in what I choose!

Outside of that(almost)everything is going along smoothly with the exception of a slight increase in PSA .5 in the last 4 six months blood tests.

Don't ask me how can I have an increase in PSA of any amount when I do not have a prostate.

It has been 6 years since my Prostectomy and if I last another eight years of being able to take care of myself and I can still safely ride my Kawasaki Voyager 12 how can I realistically complain?

That's easy to say when I am not the least bit restricted in any activity I choose, with the exception of you know what and I do feel great!

[Hildy]

Different strokes for different folks. I don't see the "purity" in no hugging. That's not sexual, it's human. Just puts that much more EMPHASIS on sex. I don't know. Just seems stupid.

[Hank Rearden]

I give it a month. She'll suddenly discover she's a lesbian. Bummer for Blue Boy.

[Zeroisanumber]

Whoah....I'm pretty sure that I would detonate like a big, pale-skinned hand-grenade in a relationship like that. No kissing...wow.

[Tuscaloosa Goldfinch]

Speaking as someone who has been acquainted with couples who've practiced courtship/engagement this way, they do have reasons. The main reason for staying out of bed is keeping the "gift", i.e., one's virginity, reserved for a lifelong spouse. If the gift is given before marriage, it's gone forever, and, if the couple doesn't make it to the altar, then any spouse who comes along later has been defrauded.

It's very easy to criticize this belief, but then, people who have successfully run this gauntlet together won't have to worry about STD's, cervical cancer, (human papiloma virus) etc.

I'm really glad that my husband and I have known no other partners, and our physical relationship doesn't have the ghosts of past lovers haunting our bedroom.

[ican'tbelieveit]

Read the article... seems they aren't the only couples behaving this way before marriage. Pretty incredible actually; have to admire their will power.

[Vaduz]

Some people just do things the right way someone has to show the blind how to see.

[VOYAGER]

I believe from our experience(enjoying each other in this giving of ourselves sexually)is the way we have become one flesh even as the Bible states and I also believe it is that without this unique experience on a Godly level you cannot become one spiritually.