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US admits it used napalm bombs in Iraq
The Independent on Sunday (U.K.) ^ | 08/10/03 | Andrew Buncombe

Posted on 08/09/2003 1:08:58 PM PDT by Pokey78

Edited on 11/10/2004 4:21:39 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Dane
Don't you know that napalm was developed by that evil American Imperialist corporation called Dow Chemical.

Actually not, another lie of the paid Communist supporters of the Vietnam era. The original was actually invented at Harvard of all places. However "Dow Chemical was responsible for the manufacture of napalm for the US military between 1965 and 1969."

From Global Security

During the early months of World War II, the US Chemical Warfare Service used latex from the Para rubber tree to jell gasoline. This jelled gasoline shot further from flamethrowers, stuck to the target better, and burned longer. But when the US entered the war in the Pacific, natural rubber was in short supply. Research teams at Harvard University, Du Pont and Standard Oil engaged in a Government competition to develop a replacement.

Napalm was developed at Harvard University in 1942-43 by a team of chemists led by chemistry professor Louis F. Fieser, who was best known for his research at Harvard University in organic chemistry which led to the synthesis of the hormone cortisone. Napalm was formulated for use in bombs and flame throwers by mixing a powdered aluminium soap of naphthalene with palmitate (a 16-carbon saturated fatty acid) -- hence napalm [another story suggests that the term napalm derives from a recipe of Naptha and palm oil]. The aluminum soap of naphtenic and palmitic acids turns gasoline into a sticky syrup that carries further from projectors and burns more slowly but at a higher temperature. Naphthenic acids are corrosives found in crude oil; palmitic acids are fatty acids that occur naturally in coconut oil. On their own, naphthalene and palmitate are relatively harmless substances. Napalm itself, is a jelly obtained from the salts of aluminium, palmitic or other fatty acids, and naphthenic acids. Compared to previous incendiary weapons, napalm spread further, stuck to the target, burned longer, and was safer to its dispenser because it was dropped and detonated far below the airplane. It was also cheap to manufacture.

Modern day napalm uses no Napalm (naphthalene or palmitate) -- instead using a mixture of polystyrene, gasoline and benzene]. The official Department of Defense definition of napalm is "1. Powdered aluminum soap or similar compound used to gelatinize oil or gasoline for use in napalm bombs or flame throwers. 2. The resultant gelatinized substance." Modern napalm is typically a mixture of benzene (21%), gasoline (33%), and polystyrene (46%). Benzene is a normal component of gasoline (about 2%), while the gasoline used in napalm is the same leaded or unleaded gas that is used in automobiles.
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Aparently even more modern version of (small n) naplam no longer use gasoline because the page also says:

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The fuel gelling system consists of a fuel gelling unit, drums of gelling solution, and aviation gas, mogas, JP-4, or JP-5 fuels.

The page also indicates that the Iraqie used napalm on both the Kurds and the Shiites after the first Gulf war.

81 posted on 08/09/2003 4:46:06 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Pokey78
American pilots dropped the controversial incendiary agent napalm on Iraqi troops during the advance on Baghdad.

Ummm. No. They dropped a different incendiary weapon that had similar effects. The press basically asked if the U.S. was using muskets, and was told "no" (they were using M-16s).

As far as the further arguments: Using incendiaries to block access to a bridge results in fewer Iraqi dead as well, since the fire obstructs their advance. People aren't as a fraid of bullets as things they can see.

82 posted on 08/09/2003 6:09:59 PM PDT by lepton
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To: Pokey78
It's the LEFT's way of trying anyway they can to compare this war to Vietnam.
83 posted on 08/09/2003 6:37:49 PM PDT by AirborneMedic
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To: Pokey78
It's the LEFT's way of trying anyway they can to compare this war to Vietnam.
84 posted on 08/09/2003 6:37:49 PM PDT by AirborneMedic
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To: LibKill
I haven't heard much concrete data, but the word I have heard is that it burns at a slightly lower (but still quite fatal) temperature, clogs more air in its vicinity, and burns longer.
85 posted on 08/10/2003 8:15:23 AM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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To: DAPFE8900
It was employed notoriously against both civilian and military targets in the Vietnam war.

I am surprised it was 50 posts into this thread that someone called notice to that line. Say what you will about Viet Nam- but civilians were never "targeted" in Viet Nam with any weapon much less napalm. In fact- US pilots often exposed themselves to danger in order to avoid causing civilian casualites.

86 posted on 08/10/2003 11:14:09 AM PDT by Burkeman1 ((If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.))
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To: avg_freeper
Flaming Jello SHOTS

Hey, you use what you have...we have plastic Jello, and gasoline. Now if we used Velveeta and Spam...that would be cruel.
87 posted on 08/11/2003 12:54:39 PM PDT by PoorMuttly (Where there are no feathers [sunglasses, turbans, pinky-rings...], there is no evidence of Lunch)
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To: Burkeman1
Thanks Burkeman. Again you show your aware of the most common sense things! Thank you!
88 posted on 08/11/2003 7:07:22 PM PDT by DAPFE8900 (q)
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To: Pokey78; Gunrunner2; spetznaz
I love the smell of Mark 77 firebombs in the morning!
89 posted on 08/11/2003 7:17:39 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: DAPFE8900
It was obvious. That line in the article was totally out of line considering that both Johnson and Nixon agonized over causing civilian casualties in Viet Nam. And they didn't have many smart bombs back then.
90 posted on 08/11/2003 7:21:48 PM PDT by Burkeman1 ((If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.))
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To: VaBthang4
It smells of. . . .victory!
91 posted on 08/12/2003 4:57:49 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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Obviously then,
there must be a point where efficency in killing intersects with morality.
Where that is,
and whether napalm is on the wrong side of that point
is a decision I'm glad I don't have to make
or be accountable for.


.... every word I just spoke to you is not just a reflection of my heart and my faith, it is the American heart and the American faith.

This is articulated very clinically when this Nation began. In the great documents that our Founders used to justify their willingness even to go to war in order to assert their independence. I think we ought to take that very seriously because – at least in those days, I don't know about now, I think we're kind of … we've gotten really careless about wars these days, as some events, I think, even in recent times have proven.

And we go to war maybe without understanding what we ought to understand. Every time you go to war, you know -- a people like ourselves -- even if that war is conducted by others, even when it's conducted by a means where you're flying high up in the air and dropping bombs on people you don't even see and folks die as a result …

I hope we still understand that each and every one of us who has an opportunity to participate as part of the sovereign body of the people in this country: we are responsible for every life that is taken by America in war.

And we had better be awfully sure that what we're doing has a solid moral ground or we will stand before God bearing the stain and weight of every life taken in injustice that we did not oppose.

And I think that it's why our founders, being that they were – many of them, most of them, almost all of them, in fact – people of conscience and faith, felt that before you risked war, you better justify what you're doing in moral terms. You've got to state the moral premises and the moral principles that inform your heart.

And that's what they did in our Declaration of Independence. It's a statement of the moral justification of that assertion of independence at the risk of war. And, in doing what they did, they set forth the basic moral principles that then informed the later deliberations that led to our Constitution and are the practical foundation of our liberty.

And so those words in the Declaration of Independence – "All men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights" -- are the basic premise of everything that, as a people, we claim to hold dear. Self-government and rights and due process and liberty and all these other unique hallmarks of the American way of life, they rest on that premise and that premise alone.


92 posted on 11/10/2004 3:54:13 PM PST by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: Pokey78
...smells like...

Victory!
93 posted on 11/10/2004 4:00:23 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: lawdude

And who cares if the UN banned it. The US didn't sign the convention; thus, nape's okay with me.


94 posted on 11/10/2004 4:05:05 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Patriotism is patriotic.)
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save some for the US!!

95 posted on 11/10/2004 4:06:41 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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To: Pokey78

Heck, flamerthrowers were what worked for us back in the day.

96 posted on 11/10/2004 4:12:51 PM PST by csvset
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To: csvset

Flamethrowers....gotta work great in spider-holes!


97 posted on 11/10/2004 4:18:20 PM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: Doe Eyes

Dead or maimed is dead or maimed, IMHO. The only big difference is how discreet the weapon is.


98 posted on 11/10/2004 4:35:28 PM PST by BJClinton (And your crybaby whiny-assed opinion would be ....?)
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