NYT MONDAY: BUSH HATE

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[Paul Atreides]

NYT MONDAY: BUSH HATE /// Disdain of core Dems toward W. Bush runs very deep -- far deeper, some analysts say, than existed toward his father or Ronald Reagan... Developing...

[Paul Atreides]

We didn't need the NYT to tell us this. The Dims are all about hate and division. Their hatred for W is stronger than any negative feelings they might have about Saddam or Bin Laden.

[woofie]

Hate ? From the peace love folks?

[Sir Gawain]

What is great is that this seems to be turning into a grassroots support effort for Dean. He is saying what they want to hear (and he seems to believe it).

[Timesink]

NYT MONDAY: BUSH HATE /// Disdain of core Dems toward W. Bush runs very deep -- far deeper, some analysts say, than existed toward his father or Ronald Reagan... Developing...

And that's what's going to cause them to lose in November 2004 no matter who their candidate is. They are so obsessed with "overthrowing" Bush that they couldn't care less about anything the actual voters are concerned with, like POLICY, and instead will simply coalesce around whoever they think can beat Bush, regardless of what that candidate stands for. It's a recipe for a Mondale-level defeat, and I look quite forward to it.

[Timesink]

Schadenfreude

This is the New York Times Schadenfreude Ping List. Freepmail me to be added or dropped.

[SwinneySwitch]

The feeling is MUTUAL here!

[goldstategop]

The Democrats are the Dark Side Of The Force.

[spodefly]

They hate him because they know that there are millions of voters that, even though they may not agree with Bush on immigration, his dem-like spending habits, and having his nose firmly planted on Ted Kennedy's butt, still respect him and are are still going to vote for him because he is the most honest, real, psuedo-semi-conservative President we have had in a long time.

[SandRat]

Ah yes, drinking their own dirty bathwater.

Well let them.

The real up-chuck sickness comes the day after elections in Nov '04 when they find out that not only did they lose the WH, AGAIN; but they hold so few seats in the Senate or House that their criticisms are little more than the impolite release of bodily gas pressure in public.

[VeritatisSplendor]

Yeah, they hate him worse than they hated Bush I and Reagan, but it still doesn't compare to how much they hated Nixon.

[The Brush]

I think we saw evidence of their Bush hate in last November's Florida Governor election. The Dims were going to show the world how they felt about W by trouncing Jeb.
They were going to embarrass him by trouncing his brother. They need to be reminded, perhaps on an hourly basis about the results of their hate campaign.

Bring it on!

[Timesink]

They hate him because he made sure Gore wasn't able to steal the election in 2000, and then he got the RATS thrown 100% out of power in Washington for the first time in over 50 years, period. This isn't about policy for them (even if those policies aren't as right-wing as you personally would like); it's personal.

[stig]

They hate him because they know that there are millions of voters that, even though they may not agree with Bush on immigration, his dem-like spending habits, and having his nose firmly planted on Ted Kennedy's butt, still respect him and are are still going to vote for him because he is the most honest, real, psuedo-semi-conservative President we have had in a long time.

Pretty much sums up this conservative's views about Bush. You can add that Bush gets the war on terror more than any all the dims put together.

[dawn53]

They hate Bush more than they love America.

That is why they seem to always be looking for negative news on the war, the economy, etc. They want America to fail, so they can blame it on Bush.

[wretchard]

The real up-chuck sickness comes the day after elections in Nov '04 when they find out that not only did they lose the WH, AGAIN; but they hold so few seats in the Senate or House that their criticisms are little more than the impolite release of bodily gas pressure in public.

It looks that way, but the stakes are to high to just count on it. I think we should act like we were twenty points behind in the game in the last five minutes of the fourth quarter. The problem with a Democrat candidate like John Dean, is that if he loses, it will be a disaster for his party. But if he wins, it would be catastrophe for the nation.

[Timesink]

I think we saw evidence of their Bush hate in last November's Florida Governor election. The Dims were going to show the world how they felt about W by trouncing Jeb. They were going to embarrass him by trouncing his brother. They need to be reminded, perhaps on an hourly basis about the results of their hate campaign.

Yup. The personal petty hatred there was so strong that Terry McAuliffe actually diverted funds away from an African-American gubernatorial candidate in New York (yes, the Democrats care SO much about blacks, don't they?) purely in order to buy more time in Florida to try to destroy Jeb. And the RATS lost both races as a result. (Well, they would have lost both races regardless, but karma's still a bitch.)

[Constitutional Patriot]

They hate him because they were thwarted from stealing the election from him.

maggots...

[TheRedSoxWinThePennant]

holy chowder the dems hate Bush!! No way I am stunned the party of tolerance hates a conservative. I am stunned just stunned.

[mlmr]

They hate him enough to kill him. That is how leftist, socialist, totalitarians work. I worry for him constantly.

[LdSentinal]

The hate supports Dean's candidacy.

However, the real question is WHY the hate? What's the rationale behind it? Some it goes back to 2000 and 2002 elections, but most of it comes from the aftermath of 9/11.

[Numbers Guy]

And that's what's going to cause them to lose in November 2004 no matter who their candidate is. They are so obsessed with "overthrowing" Bush that they couldn't care less about anything the actual voters are concerned with, like POLICY, and instead will simply coalesce around whoever they think can beat Bush, regardless of what that candidate stands for.

I agree completely with one caveat: For the nutcase left, they will coalesce around whoever they think echoes their hatred of Bush the most. Ergo the surprising support for Dean, who's really not as left-wing as people think, but is the most disrespectful toward Bush.

[Timesink]

That is why they seem to always be looking for negative news on the war, the economy, etc. They want America to fail, so they can blame it on Bush.

Oh, there's no "seems" about it. The RATS have been caught multiple times in the last few months with incontrovertible proof (audio recordings, paper documents, etc) that they are intentionally hoping for and hyping negative news about America purely in order to take Bush down. (Even though it's not working.)

[Paul Atreides]

They also wanted every candidate who Bubba, Hillary, and Albore went out stumping for to win so that they could say that it was a repudiation of W. Then, every one of those candidates got their heads handed to them on a silver plate. I'll never forget Albore out there stumping for K.K. Townsend, saying that a vote for her would be revenge for him "losing" in 2000.

[mrtysmm]

That fish should have a face....Terry McAwful.

[Theyknow]

If you want to know how they feel about Bush think of how you feel about Bill and Hitlery. It is exactly the same emotion.

[Timesink]

I agree completely with one caveat: For the nutcase left, they will coalesce around whoever they think echoes their hatred of Bush the most. Ergo the surprising support for Dean, who's really not as left-wing as people think, but is the most disrespectful toward Bush.

Here's my take on why Dean's popular now, but won't be later (also here). IMHO, Dean's only getting all this support now because the only RATS who are even paying attention this early in the game are the ones we're discussing in this thread: The psychotic Bush-haters.

[EGPWS]

Disdain of core Dems toward W. Bush runs very deep

Why one might ask?

Maybe because Dubya' has done more to rip apart any shred of evidence that the Democratic party is for the concerns of the American public and NOT Politically motivated in their endeavors than the DNC has done to prove him wrong!

[Paul Atreides]

I think that some of it is 2000 and 2002, but the most of it is that 9-11 happened while a Republican was in office. You see, Bubba missed his one chance for a legacy. Now, his legacy is oral sex in the W.H. Also, it would have given a President Gore the chance to look presidential. That would have carried a lot of weight for successive terms and a chance to sweep Hillary in.

Remember how everyone is still talking about what a great job Rudy Guiliani did.

[The Hon. Galahad Threepwood]

The Dems are no more going to prosper on Bush-hate than the Republicans did on Clinton-hate.

And Clinton was at least a genuinely awful person. I think the people understood Clinton-hate, even if they didn't share it, or even particularly like it.

Bush is such an obviously decent guy that all this hatred just makes the Democrats look crazy.

[Dog Gone]

However, the real question is WHY the hate? What's the rationale behind it? Some it goes back to 2000 and 2002 elections, but most of it comes from the aftermath of 9/11.

They hate him because they decided he was a political lightweight who was stupid.

And because it turns out that on issue after issue, he beats them like a rented mule.

[mrtysmm]

After the '04 election....I wonder if they are still going to claim that they couldn't get their message out. It will be kinda an old excuse by then. You woulda thunk that by now they would see that hating Bush is no way to win the hearts and minds of the American people.

[MikeWUSAF]

I am reminded of Lincoln:

Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would 'make' war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would 'accept' war rather than let it perish, and the war came.

I'll let you guess who is who.

[Paul Atreides]

I think they have been, and are still, laying the groundwork to claim that there is a conservative bias in the media. They will claim that went against their candidate. There will also be the usual bit of blaming it on the voters who "did not have enough information." I also look for another manufactured scandal, concerning ballots.

[4Liberty]

This is NEWS ?

[Eva]

The hatred that the leftists feel toward George W. Bush stems from his open religiosity. The Judeo Christian religion is anathema to socialism because people who answer to a higher power than the state are not easily controlled or enslaved. The left had made great strides in denigrating traditional Judeo Christian beliefs and morality until George W. came on the scene and 9/11 re-awakened the patriotic and religious roots of America. It didn't hurt that our enemy had decided to wage a religious war on the US, either.

So, when the left realized they were losing the war of ideas, they reverted to their old stand-by weapon, hate.

[Paul Atreides]

Coming from the NYT, I won't be surprised to read a laundry list that claims to justify the Dim hatred of W.

[rdb3]

The hate expressed by the Left is no different from what many of FR's own posters express towards Bush every single day.

[Paul Atreides]

But, have you ever noticed that the media doesn't have a coronary when a Dim goes into a church praising Jesus? I saw a photo of Hillary the other day sitting in a church. Of course, it was a black church, but there is no talk about a separation of church and state. However, just let a Republican go into a supportive church, black or white, and the media starts the hand-wringing.

[dalebert]

They don't like the USA much either.

[Timesink]

If you want to know how they feel about Bush think of how you feel about Bill and Hitlery. It is exactly the same emotion.

Actually, it's different, and the way it's being channeled is different.

We hated Bill and Hillary not because they happened to win against Bush 41 - the White House changes parties on a routine basis and there's never been this amount of anger over it - but because of what they did once they got in the White House ... the eight solid years of scandal and sleaze. The hardcore RATS, on the other hand, hate Bush 43 purely because he won election in the first place ... because they came within a hair's width of successfully pulling off the biggest theft of an election in American history, but George W. Bush - "stupid, drunken frat-boy Dumbya" - KICKED THEIR ASSES. And then he got the Democrats tossed out of Congress too, insuring that they now are totally out of power for the first time in over 50 years, and are fading fast - all polls thus far show the RATS losing big in the House and Senate next fall.

As for how the hatred was channeled: We fought on an actual platform. We pointed out all the horrible things the 'Toons had done to our nation and promised that it would END. (Which it did.) The RATS, however, are purely running a "destroy Bush for the sake of destroying Bush" campaign. That will attract nobody but the people that have been waking up with clenched fists every morning for the last 2 1/2 years anyway ... precisely the people that will vote for whoever the RATS serve up no matter what, and thus need not be pandered to in the first place.

In short, the emotions of the RATS towards Bush are far more personal, and being channeled in far stupider a fashion. And that's why 2004 will make 2002 look like the Good Old Days for the RATS.

[Paul Atreides]

That is true. I for one don't think that Bush is a perfect person. So far, I haven't seen a perfect Republican in the W.H. However, I'll take him over any of that bunch of fruitcakes on the socialist side of the aisle. Anyone who thinks that a candidate is going to agree with them 100% is fooling himself.

[horse_doc]

The core of this is from Leftist Baby Boomers, who are facing mortality, the fact that they were wrong about everything their entire lives, the fact that their own families are a wreck, and the fact that their secularism insures that their political philosophy will not outlive their generation.

It is too much to repent from. The only alternative is to attack.

[Timesink]

I think they have been, and are still, laying the groundwork to claim that there is a conservative bias in the media. They will claim that went against their candidate. There will also be the usual bit of blaming it on the voters who "did not have enough information." I also look for another manufactured scandal, concerning ballots.

And all those excuses will be laughed at and ignored. Without a "mainstream media" with an iron-fisted control over what Americans hear and read (and the days of that sort of dominance over American political discourse are long, long gone), those excuses will be shredded by the New Media within a single news cycle.

[Paul Atreides]

Think about how many people have fallen on the swords for the Clintons. Why? They just keep going to bat for those two, knowing full well how crooked they are. It is because of The Agenda. It is all that matters. In the Clintons, they have the closest thing to a socialist administration possible. Now, The Agenda has been interrupted. Even Hillary says that all of their work accomplished over the past eight years has been undone. We are dealing with people who want to play for keeps.

[Paul Atreides]

That is why the left despises the Internet and Talk Radio. They cannot stand conservatives not having to go through them.

[Russell Scott]

If they hate President Bush, can you imagine what's going to happen when Jesus Christ shows up. And you thought God sent people to hell. Sorry, people who hate God chose to go to hell. With God, you always get what you ask for.

[Reagan Man]

Many in the liberal establishment do hate PresBush, almost as much as conservatives and rank and file Republican's, hated Bill Clinton. It all comes from their warped perception that Bush-Cheney stole the election from Algore. All I can say is, thank God for the US Constitution.

And liberal Democrat's probably hate PresBush, far more then they did PresReagan and Bush41. Truth is, Democrat's feared Reagan's far more then they hated him. Hate is an irrational emotion. Fear is a sign of begrudging respect.

But whatever the Democrat's may do between now and election day, I doubt it will change the Bush-Rove campaign "strategery". It's still Bush in a landslide.

[Stultis]

What is great is that this seems to be turning into a grassroots support effort for Dean. He is saying what they want to hear (and he seems to believe it).

Just watch. If Dean gets the nomination he will "unbelieve" much of what he is now saying, and the press will "discover" that he was really a "moderate" all along. KEEP THOSE CLIPPINGS!

[Paul Atreides]

That can be seen in the actions of the feminazis and homosexuals. They don't like that Christianity condemns their practices so they get declared hate speech or twist its teachings.

[Vesuvian]

The hatred that the leftists feel toward George W. Bush stems from his open religiosity.

It's true what you say. The only other thing that is so hated today at this level is Mel Gibson's new movie. It seems to be a very vicious form of hate, the all-consuming life ruining hate that can eat a person up inside. The way these dems are acting reminds me of one of those horror movies when the vampire is forced to give up his victim thanks to a crucifix.