[ninonitti]

I guess Teresa Heinz has told her guy to stand on his head like a bottle of ketchup when he's empty of ideas.

Seems to be working just fine. Anytime he can make that raging drunk Ray Flynn seem like a rational man you have to say what is he thinking?

[Jim Noble]

political concerns are secondary to his moral outrage over Thursday's Vatican statement on gay marriage.

Well, that certainly is an unusual way of phrasing it.

"His moral outrage"? What system of "morality" is Senator Kerry a subscriber to, that is "outraged" by the Catholic Church teaching Catholics what being Catholic means? Does Kerry pretend to be Catholic himself?

Is he "outraged" when the rabbi in charge of kosher certification for Boston tells Stop 'n Shop they can't sell ham and label it kosher?

Is he "outraged" when the Islamic Center calls the faithful to prayer five times a day?

Is he "outraged" when the Episcopal Bishop of Massachusetts tells a congregation they must accept a female bishop, or leave their building?

I would say the Senator has some "issues" with Catholicism that he needs to work through here.

[dedicated]

if kerry feels that he can tell of the pope then if he is so "pro-war" why didn't he tell the Pope to mind his own business when the Pope was making all those anti-war comments obviously aimed at the U.S. obviously kerry is more committed to killing babies than he is to our national security.

[Van Jenerette]

Bluntly telling the Vatican to stay out of American politics, U.S. Sen. John F. Kerry yesterday said Pope John Paul II ``crossed the line'' by instructing pols to block legalization of gay marriage....A fuming Kerry, taking on his own Catholic Church in the midst of a campaign for president, said Rome should have more respect for America's long-held separation of church and state.

``It is important not to have the church instructing politicians. That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in this country,'' Kerry said.

``Our founding fathers separated church and state in America. It is an important separation,'' he said. ``It is part of what makes America different and special, and we need to honor that as we go forward and I'm going to fight to do that.''

the FOUNDING FATHERS UNLEASHED		Our Constitution provides the legitimate foundations of this country as a free nation that is of the people and by the people but, we must read beyond it words and read it's authors words and thoughts in order to understand the warnings they have sent through generations to it's application in todays world.
		warning... "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion...Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams, October 11, 1798 warning... "Have you ever found in history, one single example of a Nation thoroughly corrupted that was afterwards restored to virtue?... And without virtue, there can be no political liberty....Will you tell me how to prevent riches from becoming the effects of temperance and industry? Will you tell me how to prevent luxury from producing effeminacy, intoxication, extravagance, vice and folly?..." - John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson warning... "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." "The Bible is worth all other books which have ever been printed." "Bad men cannot make good citizens. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience are incompatible with freedom." "It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." - Patrick Henry

The entire argument about sexual behavior is so simple it can be reduced to the following: Should there be any social rules about what sexual activity a human being engages in?

If the answer is no then everyone should just shut up...hetero is okay, cousins are okay, polygamy is okay, bi is okay; gay is okay, 13-year olds are okay, and one or one-hundred-at-a-time are okay, et. al.

However, if a society decides that certain rules about who does whom when and where is functional and perhaps even necessary, all that is left is to decide is WHAT are the rules of sexual behavior and WHO shall make them...simple. Those who follow the 'rules' are then NORMAL and all the rest are PERVERTED or DEVIANT... so very, very simple...you decide.

Sen. John F. Kerry� should study American History and the founders of this nation...he obviously dosn't know it very well...

Van & Katherine Jenerette

www.jenerette.com �

[Amelia]

``What one often calls separation of church and state guarantees the religion the right to express its convictions,'' said Monsignor Francis Maniscalco of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. ``To object to religious people's deep moral convictions . . . would also create a problem because it would also (fail to) recognize something the First Amendment guarantees.''

Former Vatican Ambassador Raymond Flynn said Kerry was just wrong. ``I don't see it as crossing any line at all,'' Flynn said. ``Too many Catholic politicians want to have it both ways, they want the Catholic vote but then they go ahead and ignore Catholic teaching.''

I'm not a Catholic so I'm not sure if I should even have a say, but it seem to me that Kerry is wrong, and Monsignor Maniscalco is correct (not to mention Ambassador Flynn).

If one has religious convictions, those convictions ought to guide one's actions, including voting on morally charged issues such as the definition of marriage or abortion.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

He or Dean on the Democrat ticket would be just wonderful.

[mewzilla]

Who elected the French-looking candidate pope? Maybe Kerry should start wearing his miter.

[Imagine]

If we're supposed to keep "religion" out of politics, why don't we keep "anti-religion" (the evil left extremist groups) out of politics? Memo to Kerry: STFU

[JesseHousman]

..."and many of us who are Catholic voted against him without regard to Catholicism.''

I didn't know this "catsup-for-brains" socialist, horse-faced imbecile was a Catholic.

He could call himself a Catholic, but he has no business receiving Holy Communion.

[Mind-numbed Robot]

The Pope is obviously not familiar with the nuances of political hypocrisy.

[goldstategop]

John F. is pro-choice too. That's what we have with "cafeteria" Catholics. They pick and choose which of the Church's cathechism they will follow. I guess for John F. traditional values is like so square. He should explain to the voters where he stands on gay marriage forthrightly and let the chips fall where they may instead of hiding behind the phony subterfuge about "separation of church and state."

[bert]

that raging drunk Ray Flynn.....

You mean Flynn the terrorist who supported the out of control United Mine Workers in Southwest Virginia and the bloody IRA in Northern Ireland? That Ray Flynn?

[DaBroasta]

I guess Teresa Heinz has told her guy to stand on his head like a bottle of ketchup when he's empty of ideas.

And isn't it 'Heinz' that prides itself in being the slow ketchup?

[chatham]

Kerry is a lost soul, no morals , no courage , no backbone, no Brains, Nothing.
He should get off the public Dole and get a real job.

[OpusatFR]

"Kerry, who supports civil unions but opposes the legalization of same-sex marriage, took pains to say, ``I believe in the church'' and ``care about it enormously'' but said church leaders went too far."

Somebody out there a whole lot smarter than I, had better jump on the English parsing between ~civil union~ and ~marriage~ or else the idiots are going to legalize Civil Unions between homosexuals and say it isn't a marriage.

HELP....!!

The left is is ising again..

[ImpBill]

Implosion in process.

Hey Kerry how about you politicians staying out moral issues.

Oooooooooops, forgot that once elected they take on the air of royalty.

[narses]

Ping.

[Nick Danger]

"Nasty gunshot wound you have here, Senator. How'd this happen?"

[section9]

Seems to me that Bush's strategy of appealing to the Catholic center is paying off. Bush's positioning sets him up nicely for the General Election. Otoh, poor Kerry; he was the fair-haired boy. Now it appears that he's going to lose his ass to Howard Dean. And he's going to lose his ass to Howard Dean because Dean is more convincing as a Lefty.

Primary voters, who are screaming lefties or committed Democrats, are much more likely to vote for someone who approves of Gay unions than a squishy liberal like Kerry. Dean is a committed Liberal who is taking advantage of the Left's hatred of Bush and combining it with the Left's belief in The Radiant Future. Gay Marriage is part of that belief.

Which is fine by me, as Gay Marriage is all set to become a wedge issue, with Bush putting himself squarely in the center of American, and Catholic, understanding of what marriage is supposed to be. Kerry is ticked off because Il Papa has just laid out where Catholics should stand as a matter of faith.

John Kerry, Apostate.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[Rome2000]

OBEY or face the consequences, you mule faced commie SOB!!!!!!!!!!!

[ChadGore]

When your party demands you diss the pope, you're on th wrong side.

[xp38]

I find this all very ironic. Anyone remember when JFK was running for President that the big worry was him being under the direction of the Vatican?

[Malesherbes]

Note that this account comes from the Boston Herald. The Boston Globe (owned by the New York Times) will paint Kerry as a hero fighting against the evil, homophobic, anti-man-boy-love, spoil-sport Pope.

[ExSoldier]

Kerry must figure that more gays than Catholics vote...then there are those gay catholics who don't have a voice in the Church...wow what a conundrum he is faced with. Too bad he is incapable of figuring out (because he's a liberal) there is a reason for the definition of "minority."

[George W. Bush]

``He should not be appointed to the court, and many of us who are Catholic voted against him without regard to Catholicism.''

Does Kerry know what the Roman church is?

``It seems like a very odd political strategy to attack the Catholic Church but Howard Dean is forcing Sen. Kerry to take a number of odd positions on a number of odd issues,'' said RNC spokeswoman Christine Iverson.

This is weirder yet. Howard Dean is making Kerry defy the church of Rome? I see her point but it's still strange.

[lilylangtree]

What's with these uninformed politicos? There's no such thing as "separation of church and state" in the constitution. It's an idea perpetrated on the unsuspecting American public by the ACLU since the mid-40s. Yes, it originally came from Jefferson during his speech at the Danbury Baptist Church in the 1700s. However, the ACLU used the idea to win a case in the 40s that started the precedent. No where in the constitution does it say "separation of church and state" only the nation can't start a national religion. We need to inform as many people as possible to not fall into the left-thinking.

[Cultural Jihad]

The Democrat said political concerns are secondary to his moral outrage over Thursday's Vatican statement on gay marriage.

No moral outrage that men are committing the form of murder-suicide called 'sodomy' and having it blessed by the Democratic Party, but if the Pope lends his voice of moral authority and condemns this assault on the very foundations of society then that is a moral outrage. Uh-huh.

[BonnieJ]

Gays make up something like 1 or 2% of the population, most likely. I don't get this latest surge in gay pandering, or all the TV shows about them or with them as lead characters. They are probably the smallest "minority group" in America! Does any of thia make sense, for them to be a "wedge issue"...for either side?

[VRWC_minion]

Didn't Bush get slammed for some of his undiplomatic comments about and to world leaders ie a cowboy mentality ? If so, then

Does it make sense to have a presidential candidiate piss off the leader of the worlds Catholics ? Does this guy sound like the kind of diplomat that will win hearts and minds of our foreign governments ? Isn't Rome considered a foreign gov't?

[VRWC_minion]

Keep in mind that the Hispanic vote is mostly committed Catholics.

[Snuffington]

``Our founding fathers separated church and state in America. It is an important separation,'' he said.

Kerry seems to think it's so important the Church should let it trump their own moral duty to instruct the faithful in matters of morality. Nice to see the Vatican disagrees.

It would be even nicer to see them take some public actions in response to the public statements of certain Catholics who seem to think it's their right to instruct people about the Catholic faith in a way that defies the Church's actual authorities.

[ThomasMore]

``President Kennedy drew that line very clearly in 1960 and I believe we need to stand up for that line today.''

Oh yes! This b*stard set a precedent for all later libs to follow. Kennedy is NOT of fond memory to real Catholics.

[Willie Green]

A fuming Kerry, taking on his own Catholic Church in the midst of a campaign for president, said Rome should have more respect for America's long-held separation of church and state.
``It is important not to have the church instructing politicians. That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in this country,'' Kerry said. ``President Kennedy drew that line very clearly in 1960 and I believe we need to stand up for that line today.''

There are others, somewhat more moderate though not more consistent, who affirm that the morality of individuals is to be guided by the divine law, but not the morality of the State, for that in public affairs the commands of God may be passed over, and may be entirely disregarded in the framing of laws. Hence follows the fatal theory of the need of separation between Church and State. But the absurdity of such a position is manifest. Nature herself proclaims the necessity of the State providing means and opportunities whereby the community may be enabled to live properly, that is to say, according to the laws of God. For, since God is the source of all goodness and justice, it is absolutely ridiculous that the State should pay no attention to these laws or render them abortive by contrary enactments. Besides, those who are in authority owe it to the commonwealth not only to provide for its external well-being and the conveniences of life, but still more to consult the welfare of men's souls in the wisdom of their legislation. But, for the increase of such benefits, nothing more suitable can be conceived than the laws which have God for their author; and, therefore, they who in their government of the State take no account of these laws abuse political power by causing it to deviate from its proper end and from what nature itself prescribes. And, what is still more important, and what We have more than once pointed out, although the civil authority has not the same proximate end as the spiritual, nor proceeds on the same lines, nevertheless in the exercise of their separate powers they must occasionally meet. For their subjects are the same, and not infrequently they deal with the same objects, though in different ways. Whenever this occurs, since a state of conflict is absurd and manifestly repugnant to the most wise ordinance of God, there must necessarily exist some order or mode of procedure to remove the occasions of difference and contention, and to secure harmony in all things. This harmony has been not inaptly compared to that which exists between the body and the soul for the well-being of both one and the other, the separation of which brings irremediable harm to the body, since it extinguishes its very life.

~His Holiness Pope Leo XIII, Libertas - On the Nature of Human Liberty , June 20, 1888

[swilhelm73]

Yet another example of the Democrats bashing Catholics. Add Kerrey to the offical bigot list.

[TastyManatees]

As a Catholic attorney, I am personally interested in any imposition of a religious test to exclude Catholics from the Federal judiciary based on their belief in mainstream doctrine. Let's look at how different people see William Pryor's qualification for the Federal bench in the light of GOP accusations of bigotry against doctinaire Catholics:--------------------------- "That couldn't be further from the truth. This judge is not a good judge."- John Kerry.---------------------- --------------v.---------------------------------------------------- "Qualified"- American Bar Association._______________________________________ Decide for yourself which is more believable.-------- Tasty Manatees

[BillyBoy]

Hey wait a minute, a few monthes ago Kerry and his ilk were running yapping about how Bush SHOULD listen to the Pope (about the war). In fact they were extremely adement that the government follow his exact suggestions. Just read Michael Moron's rants.

What gives, 'RAT hypocrites? No longer able to exploit religion for your "cause"?

[WestPacSailor]

I am still wondering why the Demoncrats are so worried about courting the vote of 2 - 3% of the population? Do gays vote in hugely disproportinate numbers?

[mware]

Former Vatican Ambassador Raymond Flynn said Kerry was just wrong. ``I don't see it as crossing any line at all,'' Flynn said. ``Too many Catholic politicians want to have it both ways, they want the Catholic vote but then they go ahead and ignore Catholic teaching.''

I got to say for a Dem. Raymond Flynn is a pretty impressive guy. Wish he was on our side of the aisle.

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

Bluntly telling the Vatican to stay out of American politics, U.S. Sen. John F. Kerry yesterday said Pope John Paul II ``crossed the line'' by instructing pols to block legalization of gay marriage

Could it be that Kerry is in the closet ?

[winker]

65 million reasons kerry can forget any chances of attaining anything but negative noteriety over this. I hope he filled up his bandaid box lately because he just shot off his foot;as well as his mouth on this one! WINK! WINK!

[Aquinasfan]

``It is important not to have the church instructing politicians. That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in this country,'' Kerry said.

Why? Clearly Mr. Kerry's places some kind of ideology above the teachings of Christ's Church.

``President Kennedy drew that line very clearly in 1960 and I believe we need to stand up for that line today.''

It was a bad idea then, and it's a bad idea now.

The Democrat said political concerns are secondary to his moral outrage over Thursday's Vatican statement on gay marriage.

Moral outrage? What morality would that be? The "right to sodomy?"

``Our founding fathers separated church and state in America..."

Find it in the Constitution, dude. Many states had established churches. Only the federal government was prohibited from establishing a church.

Former Vatican Ambassador Raymond Flynn said Kerry was just wrong. ``I don't see it as crossing any line at all,'' Flynn said. ``Too many Catholic politicians want to have it both ways, they want the Catholic vote but then they go ahead and ignore Catholic teaching.''

Ray's had his share of problems, but overall he seems to be a good guy. He's the classic, old-school, Boston Irish Catholic Democrat.

[BlackElk]

Ping fo later

[Natural Law]

I guess only Secular Humanism is tolerated.

[faithincowboys]

Kerry isn't Catholic, isn't he Jewish and Protestant? Why do people call this fraud a Catholic.

[Coleus]

Exclusive: Joseph Farah shows John Kerry
what God really thinks about 'gay marriage'

 

John Kerry and Unborn Victims

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Catholic and 100% Pro Abortion

Catholics Kerry and Kennedy have a 100% Pro-homosexual Record with the Human Rights Campaign! Page 10,11

[Cultural Jihad]

Memo to Boston's Archbishop Sean O'Malley: Excommunicate these scandalous and sleazy Massachusetts legislators.

[philetus]

That cost Kerry a lot of Catholic votes.

[Sister_T]

Bluntly telling the Vatican to stay out of American politics, U.S. Sen. John F. Kerry yesterday said Pope John Paul II ``crossed the line'' by instructing pols to block legalization of gay marriage.

HYPOCRITE! Isn't this the same man who basked in the claims of "foreign leaders" who want him to win? Where was his cry of indignation at their "crossing the line" into American politics?

[Cultural Jihad]

Boston Archbishop O'Malley Says Gay 'Marriage' and Civil Unions Pose Grave Threat to Religious Liberty and Freedom of Conscience

BOSTON, March 11, 2004 (LifeSiteNews.com) - As the Massachusetts legislator considers proposals regarding the definition of marriage, Boston's Archbishop Sean O'Malley has issued a strong statement giving the reasons for the Catholic teaching that marriage is the exclusive reserve of one man and one woman. The Massachusetts proposal employs the "compromise" of creating legal "civil unions" and retaining the traditional definition of the word "marriage". The Pope has expressly condemned the so-called civil unions "compromise".

Speaking for the Catholic Church in Massachusetts, O'Malley wrote, "We support the Marriage Affirmation and Protection Amendment as it has been presented, without the introduction of civil unions language." The Archbishop warned that the proposal represents a threat to the freedom of religious communities. We are concerned with proposals to give same-sex couples identical benefits and protections to those given to husbands and wives that pose a grave threat to religious liberty and the freedom of conscience."

To read Archbishop O'Malley's statement in full:
http://www.rcab.org/News/statement0400311.html

Source

[gitmo]

F'n Kerry is apparently confusing the US Constitution with the USSR constitution:

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Constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republic:
Article 52:
(2) In the USSR, the church is separated from the state, and the school from the church.

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Constitution of the United States of America:
Amendment 1

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,

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[Little Bill]

I guess the psudo-harp's true roots are coming out, sounds more and more like a Brahman. What would the little blue haired ladies, in sneakers, in Southie say? They rushed out to elect him to protect themselves from the Yankee oppression, the six or eight of those of us that are left.