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IRAQ - Special Operations Chief Describes Vast Scope
NewYorkTimes ^ | 7.28.2003 | THOM SHANKER

Posted on 07/28/2003 10:18:53 AM PDT by swarthyguy

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To: Grampa Dave; Travis McGee
The history of our SOF in this recent Iraqi war, combined with our Air Force, Naval Wings and Army air will not only make history. They will change the face of American Warfare/tactics for the better part of this century.

No question about it. Rummy will put us in position for a decade to come, to dominate any conflict we may face. That is, unless the unthinkable occurs and the quisling RATs somehow regain power.

21 posted on 07/28/2003 3:34:16 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
This is why our rats are in such a full frontal attack on our president.

They are probably being paid by the Islamofascists, the French, the Belgiums and others who want a weak and inefficient American military.

What our military has done in Desert Storm , the Afghanistan War and now in Iraq is truly historical in military and political history.

There is no military and vile political group on earth that is safe from our power and ability to take out the bad guys and their war toys.

Our SOF becomes more efficient and more deadly in each engagement. Our Naval Air Force, Air Force and Army Air Force have become precision instruments of lethality and destruction of toys of war and the bad leaders. When combined with the SOF forces, no other military in the world can withstand them.

One can only imagine the weapons and skills that will be developed in the next 6 years.


W
22 posted on 07/28/2003 10:17:56 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Evil Old White Devil Californian Grampa for big Al Sharpton, Nader & Peter Camejo!)
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To: swarthyguy
Where's Robin Moore been for the past year anyway?

Did he write "Task Force Dagger" about SFs in Afghanistan?

My bet is he's tramping around Northern Iraq, getting drunk with old Green Berets recalled to active duty.

23 posted on 07/29/2003 12:07:38 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Grampa Dave
Well, it wins the war, but restoring order etc is a lot tougher.

12 guys and an air wing can't do that.

24 posted on 07/29/2003 12:08:57 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: SLB
White House controlling firefight!

Shades of LBJ!

25 posted on 07/29/2003 12:13:52 AM PDT by rockfish59
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To: Travis McGee
As interesting as that would be, I'm of the opinion that the less said the better..
No need to let the bastards out there, in on how we're going to kill them ---- when it's their turn.

I think we will see shrinkage of the "heavy army" as we know it today....
Expansion of Special Forces, Rangers, Recon, Focused Whack teams, SEAL Teams, etc... all light and highly mobile - backed by high tech and instant airpower is in the future... I hope...

Semper Fi
26 posted on 07/29/2003 12:33:04 AM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
I am comforted by the fact that most of these warriors will come home and vote et al. based on their honorable oath.
27 posted on 07/29/2003 12:37:05 AM PDT by SevenDaysInMay (Federal judges and justices serve for periods of good behavior, not life. Article III sec. 1)
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To: river rat
I hope so too. But the downside is that with 12 man type groups routinely going way into indian country supported only by air, sometimes weather or other factors will leave them all on their lonesome, and they will get overrun, captured, massacred. But that has to be known by the guys signing up for specops. "Beam me up Scotty" will not always be available when you are surrounded by 500 enemy who have you bore-sighted.


28 posted on 07/29/2003 8:24:12 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: swarthyguy
When they are allowed to get the job done, they get the job done. I think that the job in Afganistan was hampered by too many decision makers.
29 posted on 07/29/2003 8:28:39 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (The Dems are self-destructing before our eyes, How Great is That !)
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To: Travis McGee
Yes, TheHuntforBinLadin is definitely worth reading.

Understated but interesting takes on how politics affected their missions, too. And what they learnt about state sponsorship of AQ. Including anger at Johnny Alqaeda's lenient treatment and hints at what he may have done to achieve the level of trust placed in him by AQ.
30 posted on 07/29/2003 10:31:27 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: 1Old Pro
I think that the job in Afganistan was hampered by too many decision makers.

Not to mention an inordinate amount of respect for the Durand Line by the decision makers.

31 posted on 07/29/2003 11:46:36 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Grampa Dave
One can only imagine the weapons and skills that will be developed in the next 6 years.

And those Islamofascists hiding in caves, the Red Chinese, the N. Koreans and all other chumps like these are imagining the same thing, and cringing in fear as they should.

32 posted on 07/29/2003 1:08:23 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Re our current and future military capabilities you posted:

those Islamofascists hiding in caves, the Red Chinese, the N. Koreans and all other chumps like these are imagining the same thing, and cringing in fear as they should.

Which is probably why these thugs are paying the left wing media and politicians around the world to attack President Bush in attempts to electronically lynch him.

33 posted on 07/29/2003 1:15:29 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Evil Old White Devil Californian Grampa for big Al Sharpton, Nader & Peter Camejo!)
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To: Travis McGee
......"and they will get overrun, captured, massacred."

Of course, that is certain to happen from time to time.
But as the posted article mentioned in the last sentence - not a single SpecOps warrior was lost to hostile fire.

These New Breed, High Tech SpecOps guys have firepower, communications and real time intel of a quality we couldn't even dream of.. Plus, they have the advantage of small unit size - with its natural protections and stealth.
They KNOW where the enemy concentrations are, and can bring Hell and Brimstone on the bastard's asses faster than we could determine the coordinates we wished attacked.

I've never done any valid research, but it is just gut feel that we suffered proportionally fewer WIA/KIA from our small team attack missions or search and destroy patrols - than when moving about in larger unit missions... Large targets attract more attention from the bad guys --- to attack or avoid...

The small teams of today - can move about cleanly and determine the value of targets and have them destroyed within moments after a "phone call"... They can avoid detection and deliver destruction FAR out of proportion to their size...

Todd - (F18A Pilot from whom I have forwarded notes to you) has mentioned frequently they are CONSTANTLY overhead in "hot areas" (teams below), even TODAY.. They can deliver their payload within a few minutes - as precisely as GPS/Laser can I.D. target..

And to be frank.....the loss of a 12 man team, is preferable to effectively destroying a Platoon or Company - as happened occasionally.

Semper Fi

34 posted on 07/29/2003 3:42:16 PM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: river rat
I agree whole-heartedly with every word in your post to the last period. Well said. This is the changing face of warfare, and it's a great time to be a specops troop, or a fighter pilot!

Robert C. Heinlein would be grinning to see our real-life "starship troopers."

35 posted on 07/29/2003 6:20:16 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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