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The Press: Time for a New Era?
Opinion Journal ^ | 07/28/03 | ROBERT L. BARTLEY

Posted on 07/27/2003 9:09:09 PM PDT by Pokey78

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:05:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The BBC and New York Times scandals show that "objectivity" is dead.

With the New York Times and the British Broadcasting Corp. both in the soup, something big must be going on in journalism.

Let me give you one view of what that is, based on watching my craft evolve over 30 years as a senior editor. I think we're coming to the end of the era of "objectivity" that has dominated journalism over this time. We need to define a new ethic that lends legitimacy to opinion, honestly disclosed and disciplined by some sense of propriety.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bbc; mediabias; objectivity; press; robertlbartley

1 posted on 07/27/2003 9:09:09 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
Bartley doesn't go far enough in this article.

He should observe that ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN and NPR use the NYTimes and WashPost as their guiding lights - the editorial views of all of these are basically the same, and they share writers, reporters, producers, etc among themselves.

We will have "free" and "objective" journalism when we have diversity of opinion, not uniformity of opinion for our broadcast news. At present, we have to rely on talk radio and Fox News (to some extent) to hear differing views.
2 posted on 07/27/2003 9:19:23 PM PDT by RandyRep
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To: Pokey78
Let us calmly discuss the glories of media objectivity after the current media establishment is destroyed.

We don't have to stridently call for this, though, you know.

With the wind at our backs, we just have to patiently keep doing what we're doing and WAIT.

3 posted on 07/27/2003 9:28:31 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Pokey78
bump
4 posted on 07/27/2003 9:31:43 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: GOPJ; Pharmboy; reformed_democrat; RatherBiased.com; nopardons; Tamsey; Miss Marple; SwatTeam; ...

This is the nascent Mainstream Media Shenanigans ping list. Please freepmail me to be added or dropped.
Please note this will likely become a high-volume list.
Also feel free to ping me if you come across a thread you would think worthy of the ping list. I can't catch them all!


5 posted on 07/27/2003 10:16:34 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Timesink
ping!
6 posted on 07/28/2003 2:29:20 AM PDT by lainde
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To: Pokey78
"The BBC and New York Times scandals show that "objectivity" is dead.."

One the the BBC's core tenets:

First, there is distrust in the concept of absolute and objective truth. ‘Truth’ is viewed as contextual, situational, and conditional.

IE, "truth" as whatever suits the current motive.

7 posted on 07/28/2003 5:51:44 AM PDT by Helms (SHUT UP, YOU MONKEY!)
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To: Pokey78; RandyRep; gaijin; foreverfree; Timesink; Helms
The opinion of the press corps tends toward consensus because of an astonishing uniformity of viewpoint. Certain types of people want to become journalists, and they carry certain political and cultural opinions. This self-selection is hardened by peer group pressure. No conspiracy is necessary; journalists quite spontaneously think alike. The problem comes because this group-think is by now divorced from the thoughts and attitudes of readers. To take politics as a test, in 1992, a sample of top Washington reporters and editors voted 89% to 7% for Bill Clinton over George H.W. Bush.
This is a Deux ex Machina argument--all journalists have the same politics, because they were born that way. Sorry, but more explanation is needed. And forthcoming from your interpid commentator, as follows:
The businesses which make money in journalism do so by following the rules of the business. People who don't want to follow those rules don't decide to become journalists--or go to work for newspapers which fail because they do not attract enough attention. The ones that attract enough attention to be able to charge enough advertising rate to be able to survive, do so by following the rules.

The joker is that the rules:

No news is good news, because good news isn't news, and

Man Bites Dog makes a better story than Dog Bites Man

mean that the news is atypical of reality in general, and is predominantly about things which call into question the institutions upon which we depend. The news as defined by commercial viability is inherently slanted to the idea of the need for change. People who like the job of writing such stories are--surprise!--opposed to conservatism.

Why Broadcast Journalism is Unnecessary and Illegitimate


8 posted on 07/28/2003 7:03:09 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The everyday blessings of God are great--they just don't make "good copy.")
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Nice stuff, personally getting into the heads of Postmodernists is probably scary but trying to figure them out seems to be getting easier.

Media in the US probably is way too big and powerful. I insist that the Ivy League and wannabees teach this as part of a Postmodern, Anti-Enlightenment curriculum. Is its European- I think so. Capitalism is being abused.

PS: My poster boy, Keith Doberman is a Cornell grad. with an in your face attitude and its sounding like his Countdown is more a countdown to cultural Armageddon.

9 posted on 07/28/2003 7:43:16 PM PDT by Helms (I could be seriously hurt for what I post here, so I got a bodyguard)
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To: Helms; DPB101; Yardstick
Media in the US probably is way too big and powerful.
Criticism, of the government or of important private organizations, is patriotic when and only when that criticism is valid and in perspective.

Unjustified or out-of-proportion criticism is mere gratuitious crying "Wolf!"--and not remotely "patriotic." Whatever else one might say of the idea that criticism is good in-and-of-itself, it most certainly serves the interest of those best postioned to profit by complaining.

Journalists, trial lawyers, and liberal politicians fit neatly into that category and are therefore special interests.

Why Broadcast Journalism is Unnecessary and Illegitimate

10 posted on 07/29/2003 8:33:31 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Better" can be the enemy of "good enough.")
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To: RandyRep
I frankly doubt that Mr. Keller will succeed in restoring objectivity or balance to the Times newsroom. Former executive editor A.M. Rosenthal, actually a conservative, had a hard enough time.
Fox News is "Fair and Balanced," meaning that it includes the liberal POV. But the liberal POV is heavily skewed toward the assumption that it is easy to identify, and should be easy to implement, improvements to American culture and tradition. The fatuous nature of that proposition makes the liberal POV a poor predictor of the effects of its proposals.

Therefore even Fox News is predictably degraded by the respect it pays to liberalism.


11 posted on 07/29/2003 8:52:40 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Better" can be the enemy of "good enough." In fact it usually is . . .)
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To: Pokey78; gaijin; foreverfree
Though an opinion journalist myself, I'm certainly not against attempts at objectivity.
There is absolutely nothing to be said against "attempts at objectivity."
Indeed I believe the ethic is a more powerful influence than disgruntled readers and viewers often seem to believe; it's simply not true that journalists conspire to slant the news in favor of their friends and causes. Yet it's also true that in claiming "objectivity" the press often sees itself as a perfect arbiter of ultimate truth. This is a pretension beyond human capacity.
It is not the attempt at objectivity but the presumtion to believe in--let alone claim--objectivity for one's own thought and writing which turnss entirely understandable and inherent individual perspective into a flaming bias.

12 posted on 07/29/2003 9:12:28 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Better" can be the enemy of "good enough." In fact it usually is . . .)
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To: Pokey78
...it's simply not true that journalists conspire to slant the news in favor of their friends and causes.

The issue isn't conspiracy, it's slant, and whether they meet in secret or just simply do it is irrelevant. It happens. It is persistent, blatant, and unapologetic. It is also, on occasion, a deliberate policy at least according to this observer.

The bottom line is that with the advent of multiple alternatives the market will rule, and if blatant bias is as unpalatable to the audience as it appears to be, the Times and the BBC will end up empty-handed and wondering what happened. It's their problem.

13 posted on 07/29/2003 9:23:09 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
The New York Times used to be a crusading Christian newspaper--made a name for itself uncovering the abortion industry in NYC.
14 posted on 07/29/2003 2:24:32 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
uncovering the abortion industry in NYC.

Irony.

15 posted on 07/29/2003 6:04:59 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The everyday blessings of God are great--they just don't make "good copy.")
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
When the Times changed hands, the paper's first motto was "It Does Not Soil the Breakfast Cloth"--a subtle apology for the graphic anti-abortion, anti-prostitution Christian moral crusades of the paper in the era of Henry Raymond and Augustus St. Clair. That wasn't catchy enough so it was changed to "All The News That Is Fit To Print".
16 posted on 07/29/2003 10:35:28 PM PDT by DPB101
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