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American Fighter's War in Chechnya (Aukai Collins arrested in Mexico-may get extradited to Russia)
themoscowtimes.com ^ | Monday, Jul. 21, 2003. | Matt Bivens

Posted on 07/21/2003 8:40:10 PM PDT by Destro

Monday, Jul. 21, 2003. Page 1

An American Fighter's War in Chechnya

By Matt Bivens
Special to The Moscow Times

Lyons Press- Aukai Collins posing along the Argun River. He lost a leg after a Russian ambush.

The dirt road had a steep embankment on one side, a stand of trees on the other. A good spot. The four guerrillas -- an American, a Chechen and two Russians -- took up positions.

Soon about 30 Russian soldiers riding inside or on top of two armored personnel carriers trundled into sight.

One of the guerrillas shouldered his rocket-propelled grenade. He was a Russian of about 19 or 20 who had deserted the army, converted to Islam and joined the Chechens. Now he took aim at his former colleagues and whispered a prayer to guide his rocket: "In the name of Allah, Allah is great."

He fired. The round blasted the turret off of the first APC, throwing the soldiers riding on top into the air. The headless vehicle rolled to a halt.

The American -- a 21-year-old himself -- had heard his Russian comrade's whispered prayer and tracked the missile. Now he rose and threw two grenades beside the crippled APC, to finish off any survivors.

As he did so, the turret gun of the second troop transport fired at him, while the soldiers inside leapt out and ran for cover. Then that APC also exploded, destroyed by one of the American's guerrilla colleagues. And as the fleeing soldiers approached the shelter of the tree line, the Chechen waiting hidden there opened fire with his heavy machine gun. It was over.

The four guerrillas were exultant, but there was no time for celebrations, or even for gathering up the Russian weaponry. The American and two Russians began running toward the forest. The Chechen ran instead toward the bodies lying in the road.

"What are you doing?" yelled one of the Russians.

"Just wait a minute," the Chechen called back.

He drew a curved knife and used it to cut the head off of one of the bodies. When he was done, he laid the severed head into the crotch of another dead Russian. "See," the Chechen shouted to his three comrades, with a big smile. "He is a dickhead."

One American's Jihad

The American that day in Chechnya eight years ago was Aukai Collins, the description of the day his. It's offered in "My Jihad," an autobiography from Lyons Press.

"I don't want to sound corny, but I consider myself a warrior," Collins said in a recent interview.

He talked about the history of human combat -- knights fighting for their kings, mercenaries for profit, volunteers for a cause. "People have this idea that only a certain type of official in uniform -- a cop, a soldier -- only that person has a right to fight, and only that person has a right to kill someone," he said. "I even think that [as a volunteer] I'm better than a soldier in a uniform. My commanding officer is right and wrong. I go to Chechnya and fight against the Russian army because it's right."

Treacherous moral ground that, asserting a man's right to kill others as per his conscience. But Collins shares it with Russians who have shipped out to fight for Serbia in the Yugoslav wars; with Ernest Hemingway, George Orwell and others who joined the Communist International Brigade's fight in Spain against Franco's fascists. Even one of the great heroes of the American Revolution, the Marquis de Lafayette, was also once a punk kid in his 20s who defied his king to volunteer with secessionist rebels.

At the age of 19, Collins was out of prison and at loose ends in San Diego. As a teen he'd been in a gang, robbed liquor stores and gotten into a gunfight while robbing a home. In jail he'd converted to Islam. Hearing about the plight of Bosnia's Muslims, he left California with a vague plan of taking up arms in their defense.

Events detoured him to Afghanistan, where he got weapons training among mujahedin busy harassing Russian forces in Tajikistan -- among them Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, the man sentenced to death in Pakistan for the murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. After Afghanistan came Chechnya, where Collins took a second bride (in addition to his wife back in the United States), lost a leg, and waged war alongside guerrilla leaders Shamil Basayev and Khattab.

Collins considered himself one of the mujahedin -- which he defines as men fighting to protect the women and children of any invaded and oppressed Muslim lands, from Chechnya to Kosovo. He guesses there are 10,000 mujahedin around the world, perhaps half of them in Chechnya.

Mujahedin circles, however, welcome fellow travelers -- terrorists such as those in al-Qaida -- who Collins says pervert the ideal of jihad by murdering innocents. And so a few years before the Sept. 11 attacks, frustrated at Islam's failure to police its jihad movements, Collins walked into the U.S. Embassy in Azerbaijan.

Soon, back home in America, he was a paid FBI informant moving in circles he said included Hani Hanjour, the man believed to have piloted American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001. An FBI spokesman told The Washington Post that as an asset of the bureau's counterterrorism team in Phoenix, Arizona, from 1996 to 1999, Collins "did some very productive things and helped some cases over the years."

Collins said his undercover work fed into a celebrated pre-Sept. 11 memo out of the Phoenix FBI office that urged a closer look at Arabs in U.S. flight schools. He also said the counterterror work was endlessly, uselessly bureaucratic. An FBI spokesman's only comment was to insist Collins had never mentioned Hanjour before Sept. 11.

Eventually, Collins became as exasperated with American intelligence as he had been with Muslim terrorists. Low on money, having quarreled with everyone -- the CIA, the FBI, Chechen warlords, Azeri gangsters -- his options were dwindling.

So he again reinvented himself and wrote a brisk-selling book.

'I Cut His Throat'

Russians had little to say when Collins' book came out last summer. But within days of October's "Nord Ost" crisis, which left dead more than 120 theater-goers and 41 Chechen rebels, the press indignantly rediscovered him. Russian media expressed anger that Collins, having detailed his killing exploits in Chechnya, was making money off them via book sales -- instead of being extradited to Russia.

"Various Muslims are being jailed in the United States on the slightest suspicion that they might have trained in Osama bin Laden's camps -- while simultaneously a concrete fighter openly advertises his triumphs in the name of jihad [and remains free]," Izvestia complained on Nov. 5, 10 days after the theater hostage-taking ended. "America offers its partnership to Russia in the fight against international terror ... while a U.S. citizen openly boasts that, as a combatant under Basayev, he killed Russian soldiers."

"It seems," chimed in NTV, "that it's simpler to jail the lost and repentant [American] Taliban John Walker Lindh. He didn't kill anyone, he merely raised his hand against a soldier. True, not against a Russian soldier but against an American one -- and for this he'll spend the next 20 years in jail. Meanwhile, the jihad of Aukai Collins, we must assume, continues."

Or not. Early in the U.S. invasion of Iraq, Collins was angling for a "Lawrence of Arabia" role, trying to drum up cash and support for organizing anti-Saddam Hussein Shiites to fight alongside the Americans.

Finding no patrons for that, he turned to bounty-hunting. In late May, he was arrested in Durango, Mexico, on charges he illegally crossed the border armed with smoke grenades and an assault rifle. Collins told Mexican authorities he had been hired to pursue a man wanted for drug trafficking. His editor at Lyons Press, Jay McCullough, says Collins expects he may spend a year in a Durango jail before having his day in court.

'Baa, Baa, Black Sheep'

The mujahedin Collins describes in his book seemingly have a weakness for amputation-humor. In Afghanistan, Collins one day was summoned to the tent of the camp chief. What began as a serious-seeming interview ended with the chief raising the stump of his missing leg -- sheathed in a black sock with two white eyes drawn on it -- and serenading him in Urdu-accented English the children's rhyme: "Baa, baa, black sheep, have you any wool?"

Later, Collins recounts recuperating from wounds in a Chechen hospital, where the blood-and-guts videos never stopped -- especially "Braveheart," Mel Gibson's heroic-death-for-hopeless-independence drama.

"'Braveheart' was our favorite movie, and we watched it at least once every couple of days," Collins writes. "One Chechen fighter who had lost his arms would always jump up and demonstrate to all of us how he would swing a sword like Mel Gibson if he still had arms. 'Look, I'm so fast you can't see my hands,' he would say as he swung his stumps around."

In the passages that most angered Izvestia and NTV, he recounts how he and three Chechens smeared themselves with mud, armed themselves with only knives and slipped into a Russian forward listening post. Collins stabs one soldier in the back of the neck, "the only sounds being a few muted cries before I severed his vocal cords." He leaps upon another, lying on a blanket, a Russian with eyes "as wide as silver dollars," and stabs him in the chest, then moves on to others, before returning. "I turned back to the Russian whom I'd stabbed in the chest. In the light cast by an old kerosene lamp and a few candles, the soldier was lying there twisting and moaning and clutching at his chest. An older guy with a scruffy face, he reeked of sweat, cigarettes and vodka. I pulled his head back, looked into his eyes, and cut his throat."

'Loco Eyes'

Asked about the possibility of extradition, Collins shrugged.

"Anything's possible. They're just mentally disturbed enough in our [U.S.] government to let that happen," he said.

We were having sodas at a diner in Baltimore, several months before his arrest in Mexico. He seemed like a normal 29-year-old American, with perfect idiomatic English, no funny accents, a firm handshake, a direct gaze.

"If [extradition] does happen, I would welcome it," he said. "Let them put me on trial in front of the world. [I'll say,] 'If you weren't killing Chechen civilians, I wouldn't have been there killing you.' I welcome something like that. Let them execute me."

Execute you? Collins shrugged again. "So many people try to protect themselves, do nothing risky. Some die anyway on the way to work. Some die in old age -- and what do they have to show for it? I would hate to be an old man in an old home and all I've got to say is 'I saw some baseball player make a home run in whatever year.'"

Collins' father was a U.S. Marine who served in Vietnam. In Hawaii (a regular stopover en route to that war) he met his wife, the daughter of an Air Force colonel. Their son Aukai -- pronounced OW-ki -- was born in Honolulu. His name is Hawaiian for "of the sea."

After Vietnam, the Collins family moved into the hippie world and settled in southern California. "I'm sure they had a very nice life planned for us, but it never worked out. Maybe my father had some issues related to Vietnam -- I definitely know the feeling -- or maybe my mother was just too much, or maybe they had conflicting personalities."

They split when Collins was 4. His father is still alive. His mother went from being a hippy in San Diego to running drugs out of Mexico -- and then, apparently, double-crossing other dealers and fleeing back to Hawaii with her son.

In the summer of 1982, Ronald Reagan was president, and a CIA-backed Afghan resistance -- among them the then-unknown Osama bin Laden -- was emerging in the American consciousness as "freedom fighters" battling Soviet invaders. Collins was 8, and he remembers the bumper stickers on working-class pickup trucks: "I support the Afghan mujahedin."

That summer, two big Samoans came to his home and started drinking beer with his mother. Collins smelled trouble. When the three decided to leave for more beer, he demanded to come too; his mother refused. As his mother got in the car, one of the Samoans came back to console Collins -- telling him he'd be alright, praising him for having "loco eyes," the kind only "people who kick ass got."

Collins' mother was strangled that night and left in a swamp.

A Medal of Honor

With a Marine for a father and an Air Force colonel for a grandfather, it's tempting to think Collins has soldiering for his country in his blood but was sided-tracked by his parents' flower-power lifestyle, his mother's murder, his crime-filled teens and jail.

Collins seems to think so. He said he gets along best with military men. After the Sept. 11 attacks, he spent time speaking at conferences on homeland security and terrorism, and afterward, "It's always them [military men] who come up to talk, to shake my hand," he said.

He apparently got along great with two of his FBI handlers who were ex-Army Rangers. In Chechnya, Collins had been caught in a Russian ambush, and shrapnel and bullets had ripped nine holes in his right leg. It never fully healed, and by 1997, he'd concluded he'd be better able to walk and to run -- and to return to the jihad life -- with a prosthetic.

His leg was amputated in an American hospital. Afterward, he said, his two FBI handlers visited him there -- and one of them handed over his Bronze Star, a U.S. military decoration, in recognition of his bravery in battling the Russians. "They said that if I'd been in uniform, I'd have gotten a medal, but since I wasn't in uniform, they were giving it to me," he said.

Today -- after Sept. 11 and the State Department's position that some Chechen rebel groups are terrorists -- the Bronze Star gift sounds as dated as an "I support the Afghan mujahedin" bumper sticker.

"One thing I'm grateful for is that I was able to fight from a viewpoint of right and wrong. There are probably some very good guys in the Russian army, but their commanding officers sent them somewhere bad," Collins said. "Russian soldiers, they talk so bad about the Chechens, like they're animals, like they have to dehumanize them to live with themselves or something."

But then he countered an NTV claim that he cut Russian throats "with pleasure." Choking up, he said there was no pleasure in it, that he doesn't know much about the men he killed, but he certainly allows they could have been good men -- that in any case, they were men, and he knew it when he killed them.

'Have a Good Time'

While Izvestia, NTV and other media have mined Collins' books and interviews for his accounts of severing Russian vocal chords, they've passed over in silence some less-comfortable information. Like the two young Russians who joined the Chechens in fighting the army they'd just deserted. In his book, Collins summarizes their accounts of army life: "Russian commanders would kill their own soldiers and then not report them as dead or missing so they could collect their pay and amass stockpiles of materiel for sale on the black market. ... The Russians would even fight among themselves. One commander might try to intimidate another for fuel or food, and if the goods weren't forthcoming, the commander would have his soldiers attack."

Elsewhere he recounts doling out bribes to Russian soldiers at military checkpoints, who let him through even though he is a beefy American with blue eyes and a long red beard, carrying with him a Kevlar helmet, night-vision goggles and a flak jacket. At one checkpoint, Collins says, a Russian officer took $700, "smiled and patted me on the shoulder and said something in Russian. As we walked back to the van, one of the Chechens translated what the officer had said: 'Have a good time in Chechnya.'"

The only people Collins describes less flatteringly than the officers at Chechen checkpoints are the U.S. government's counterterror experts.

A few years before Sept. 11, Collins and his FBI handlers were asked about sending Collins on a CIA-sponsored mission back into Chechnya, to get near Khattab. Collins was ambivalent, but also desperate to get back into Chechnya for personal reasons: He hoped to find his wife and daughter. Two years earlier he had smuggled his young Chechen bride and their infant daughter to Istanbul, with plans of heading on toward America. But the U.S. Embassy refused to recognize their marriage or grant his wife and child a visa; and the Russian Embassy refused to grant permission for them to be officially remarried in Turkey. Collins' family returned to Chechnya while he planned a next move. He has not seen them since.

"I get really frustrated," Collins said about the losing battle to get his family into America. "[I tell the consular officials,] 'You can see she's a Chechen, this is my daughter, I can prove all of this.' And they say, 'tough luck.' They let fat middle-aged perverts bring in brides-for-hire from the Philippines or wherever. Yet here, I've got a real family, my wife's a refugee from a war zone -- [and the answer is] nope."

But perhaps if he went back in, with CIA cover, he could serve his country and save his family? He agreed, and in 1998 the operation decamped to a London safehouse for planning.

It rapidly hit a snag when the CIA demanded Collins promise not to engage in any combat -- which would make cozying up to Khattab on the front lines problematic.

A bigger problem was the CIA's insistence it would, out of diplomatic courtesy, have to declare him as a CIA asset to the FSB. Collins and his FBI handlers replied angrily that the Federal Security Service was as compromised as those easily bribed military checkpoints if declared to the FSB, they said, Collins would be dead before reaching Chechnya.

Instead of backing down, the CIA announced it would have to also declare Collins to the Azeri security service, since he would transit Azerbaijan.

The CIA-FBI argument went on for days. In the midst of it, Collins, still prowling London mujahedin circles, picked up "an incredible offer:" A contact within al-Qaida offered to broker Collins a trip to Afghanistan to meet bin Laden -- then wanted on charges he had trained the guerrillas who killed 18 U.S. soldiers in Somalia in 1993, and for the deaths of 19 U.S. soldiers killed in a 1996 bombing in Saudi Arabia.

Naturally, Collins expected excitement. Instead, to his bafflement, the CIA officer "said that it was nice but doubted that anything like that would ever happen. ... All that [the CIA woman] would say was that there was no way the United States would approve an American operative going under cover into bin Laden's camp."

Not long after, bombs outside the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam killed 223 and wounded 4,700. President Bill Clinton retaliated with cruise missiles launched at bin Laden's Afghan camps. Collins notes in his book that Washington sought Pakistani approval before sending the missiles across their airspace -- that in effect, the missiles were "declared" to the Pakistanis just as the CIA had hoped to declare Collins to the Russians -- and so sympathizers in Pakistan may have warned bin Laden.

Jihad Kills Jihad

Tired of sitting in London arguing, Collins says he dropped out of the CIA operation and instead took an offer from Arab contacts to go "fight terrorism" by fighting the Serbs.

After Kosovo, Collins veered back into Chechnya, were he found a landscape far spookier and more darkly evil than he remembered. His wife and child were nowhere; fear and helplessness threatened to overcome him. In downtown Grozny he saw a man hanging from his neck from a light pole on a main street. "He was well-dressed with a stylish trench coat and an expensive Russian fur cap. A sign was attached to his ankles: 'Traitor.'

"Grozny was going insane, and I had to get out before it consumed me," Collins said.

He didn't make it. Not wholly, anyway. Jihad had mortally wounded his faith.

"Without faith there was no jihad," he said. "Since the first war in Chechnya, my faith had definitely declined, for reasons that I still don't understand. I had still come back to Chechnya, because it was the right thing to do, but I couldn't help thinking that maybe this time I was on my own."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; balkans; bosnia; chechnya; kosovo
It seems criminals are drawn to Islam. Islam justifies their criminal psycopathy.

More evidence that covert support from American intel sources operated during the Clinton years and had links with the international jihad in Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya and Central Asia. Back in the late 90s we had Muslims openly organizing jihad formations in America (Kosovo Albanians in Yonkers for instance) and the Clinton administration looked the other way or in some cases allowed it, and that that is how those al-Qaeda jihadists possibly were able to enter the USA during Clinton's presidency, backtracking on those American intel contacts. That is the real story of 9/11. Dare someone tell it?

What did Clinton know and when did he know it?

"Since the first war in Chechnya, my faith had definitely declined, for reasons that I still don't understand." Maybe cause those Russians beat the Jihad out of you, Stumpy? I hope Ivan does get him once his time in the Mexican prison is up and they make him squeal like the pig he is.

1 posted on 07/21/2003 8:40:12 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Angelus Errare
fyi
2 posted on 07/21/2003 8:41:17 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
I have heard many African Americans went to Afghanistan to fight the Russians and then in Chechnya. Kinda funny considering that Soviet backed regimes in Africa killed more Sub Saharan Africans than Western Imperialism ever came close to doing (well- the Belgians in the Congo came close.)
3 posted on 07/21/2003 8:46:48 PM PDT by Burkeman1 (If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.)
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To: Destro; Jacob Kell; ganeshpuri89
The funniest thing is that I actually own a copy of this guy's book. The Russians can have him for all I'm concerned, but the book is a definite insight into the warped mentality of al-Qaeda. Among the notables he meets in the Islamist internationale is none other than Omar Saeed Sheikh, the man who killed Daniel Pearl.
4 posted on 07/21/2003 8:49:32 PM PDT by Angelus Errare
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To: Angelus Errare
Hey, I bought this book, too, at an airport.

I agree with detro. All Collins' book demonstrates is that Islam is a religion for criminals. Collins even states in the book, in the first 6-7 pages, that Muslims who are murdering for Allah are actually practising their religion. The ones who aren't murdering are not faithful to Islam.
5 posted on 07/21/2003 8:54:49 PM PDT by Archimedes2000
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To: Destro
I've seen the film footage of the Russian soldier having a combat knife thrust into his neck and cutting forward while a boot rests on his head.
My inclination would be to give this guy to the Russians. If we ask the world to choose sides in the war against terrorism , then we must be consistent in fighting it whereever it is to be found.
6 posted on 07/21/2003 9:09:47 PM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: Burkeman1; Angelus Errare; thegreatbeast; Archimedes2000; Travis McGee; Squantos
His leg was amputated in an American hospital. Afterward, he said, his two FBI handlers visited him there -- and one of them handed over his Bronze Star, a U.S. military decoration, in recognition of his bravery in battling the Russians. "They said that if I'd been in uniform, I'd have gotten a medal, but since I wasn't in uniform, they were giving it to me," he said.

Exclusive: The 9-11 Report: Slamming the FBI

The same FBI that hands its medals to jidists in league with al-Qaeda? I'm shocked!

Wake the f*ck up, America! We have enemies both foreign and domestic!

What did Clinton know and when did he know it?

7 posted on 07/21/2003 9:18:10 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: marron
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8 posted on 07/21/2003 9:21:20 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
Islam...religon of peace? Yea right.
9 posted on 07/21/2003 9:39:35 PM PDT by blastdad51 (Proud father of an Enduring Freedom vet, and friend of a soldier lost in Afghanistan)
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To: Destro
His leg was amputated in an American hospital. Afterward, he said, his two FBI handlers visited him there -- and one of them handed over his Bronze Star, a U.S. military decoration, in recognition of his bravery in battling the Russians. "They said that if I'd been in uniform, I'd have gotten a medal, but since I wasn't in uniform, they were giving it to me," he said.

Today -- after Sept. 11 and the State Department's position that some Chechen rebel groups are terrorists -- the Bronze Star gift sounds as dated as an "I support the Afghan mujahedin" bumper sticker.

My BS detector is registering an "11.0"

10 posted on 07/21/2003 9:49:11 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: thegreatbeast
I've seen the film footage of the Russian soldier having a combat knife thrust into his neck and cutting forward while a boot rests on his head. My inclination would be to give this guy to the Russians.

I think there's a legitimate difference between knifing a defenseless prisoner and using a knife as a quiet weapon for an attack.

11 posted on 07/21/2003 9:50:02 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Destro
What did Clinton know and when did he know it?

Clinton sacrificed our Rangers to a Somali warlord the year Director of Central Intelligence James Woolsey said Ramzi Yousef was an Iraqi agent.

Clinton replaced Woolsey with John Deutch.

Clinton told the May 1994 Commencement of the U.S. Naval Academy that he would not put our people in Bosnia and he would not arm the Bosnians.

Clinton deployed our people for one year, then an additional eighteen months, then made the deployment indefinite.

Concurrent with his stated denial he would arm the Bosnians, he was allowing Iran to do precisely that.

Jayna Davis exposed John Doe Number Two as an Iraqi Republican Guard veteran, but McVeigh was put to death as the lone nut.

This despite Terry Nichols having met with Ramzi Yousef's group in the Philippines.

At about this time CIA case officer Robert Baer [See No Evil: The True Story of a Ground Soldier in the CIA's War on Terrorism, Crown, 2002] says he was closing in on the perpetrator of the 1983 Beirut Embassy bombing when he was framed for an assassination attempt on Saddam Hussein by Tony Lake.

Clinton allowed the Khobar Towers bombing the year he covered up the missile strike on TWA Flight 800, likely a stinger from the fast boat.

Clinton allowed the African Embassy bombings the year he declined Osama bin Laden from Sudan.

Clinton created a wag the dog war in Kosovo on behalf of the KLA to distract from his impeachment and the Cox Report.

Clinton sent the Cole to Aden, Yemen to be bombed; his ambassador blocked the subsequent investigation.

Clinton's DCI slept through 911 while Freeh's FBI had left a shambles for the incoming Mueller.

John O'Neill was killed in the towers, having left the FBI in disgust after it would not fight the war on terrorism.

Testimony of agent Colleen Rowley indicates the FBI was still not fighting that war as of 911.

For good measure the main critic of the Smoocher of Suha, Barbara Olson, was flown into the Pentagon.

And the Clinton DCI Tenet continues to attempt to debunk the meeting of Mohammed Atta and Iraq Intelligence Chief al-Ani.

80% of U.S. imams are wahabi and the missing WMDs may be part of the coming electoral campaign.

The party of Allah the vengeful headed by the cloven-hooved co-presidents will not be quieted by CFR.

So let's get the country tunnel-visioned on sixteen words before the kill shot.

12 posted on 07/21/2003 10:01:08 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: xm177e2
Did you read the article? It spoke of atrocities carried out that this bad actor was party to.
13 posted on 07/21/2003 10:01:19 PM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: thegreatbeast
I read the article and I don't see him admitting to any atrocities. What his partner did to the Russian corpses was an atrocity, but you don't always get to pick your buddies in war. It's not like he talked about his partner committing atrocities against the living.
14 posted on 07/21/2003 10:26:47 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: PhilDragoo
Why did Clinton allow jihadists into America? Who were those traitorist FBI agents that handed out medals to jihad operatives? Was it because Clinton was winking at the Saudi's who were waging a covert war against the Serbs and Russia?
15 posted on 07/21/2003 10:28:17 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: xm177e2; thegreatbeast
He jihad under Khattab! Is that not enough? Khattab was Osama Bin Laden's favorite champion. He jihad with the men who beheaded Richard Pearl. Is that not enough to get him a cell in Cuba? Enough to send him to Russia as far as I am concerned.
16 posted on 07/21/2003 10:30:32 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: rintense
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17 posted on 07/22/2003 4:50:56 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
Excellent observations. One has to wonder if the Islam revolution in American prisons isn't so much for the glory of Islam, but more so to feed upon the hatred and resentment of the laws/people/country/religion that put them in jail in the first place. It's almost akin to how the idea of communism hypnotized masses of Russians and Europeans. When people have nothing to believe in, they become ripe for the pickings by a dynamic leader. Hilter is also a great example of this. He prayed upon the fears of the German people- and rose to power by fostering hatred.

I hope Putin himself takes great pleasure in nailing this guy.

18 posted on 07/22/2003 5:52:33 AM PDT by rintense (Freedom is contagious, and everyone wants to catch it!)
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To: Angelus Errare
Collins was a Wahhabi, huh? THe ending sentince sounds like he may not be believing in Allah as much as he used to, if I'm not mistaken. I wonder is he still a Wahhabi? Living proof that P.J. O'ROurke was right when he said that was was a great a$$hole magnet.
19 posted on 07/22/2003 10:42:44 AM PDT by Jacob Kell
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