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Fully armed Nazi bomber planes 'buried below East Berlin airport'
The Scotsman ^ | July 22, 2003 | Allan Hall

Posted on 07/21/2003 8:17:05 PM PDT by Recourse

The Scotsman

  

Tue 22 Jul 2003


Fully armed Nazi bomber planes 'buried below East Berlin airport'



ALLAN HALL IN BERLIN



AN AIRPORT used by hundreds of thousands of tourists and business travellers each year could be sitting on top of thousands of live bombs.

Papers among thousands of files captured from the Stasi, the secret police of East Germany, claim tons of live Second World War munitions were buried in concrete bunkers beneath the runways of Schoenefeld airport in East Berlin. It is now the main destination for discount airlines, such as Ryanair, and numerous charter companies.

Not only did the commissars intern munitions beneath the runways, but also entire Nazi fighter planes, all fuelled and fully bombed-up, according to the Stasi.

The captured files of Interflug, the former East German government airline and the airport authority of the DDR, are now being examined to see if the Stasi claim is true.

Experts believe it entirely feasible that, in the aftermath of the Second World War, with Berlin littered with millions of tons of unexploded ordnance, the Soviets could well have pressured local officials to move to clear the airfield as swiftly as possible.

"They would have stuffed them anywhere they could - there was simply too much stuff to blow up all at once," said Karl-Heinz Eckhardt, a Berlin historian. "There was a warren of massive Nazi bunkers beneath the site of the present airport that would have suited their purposes."

City authorities claim the airport is perfectly safe, but a thorough check on the claims in the Stasi files - 140 km of them that will still take a number of years to decipher - is being undertaken.

Nearly two million passengers a year pass through Schoenefeld. According to the Stasi files, the ammunition was buried in bunkers between eight and nine metres deep.

A spokesman for the airport said: "We became aware of the bunkers in 1993, four years after the fall of the [Berlin] Wall. A check was undertaken then and everything was determined to be safe."

But he conceded that he was astounded at the claims that fully-fuelled and bombed-up aircraft lie beneath the runways and said new tests about the safety of the structures will be carried out.

He added: "We had no idea that so much ordnance is supposedly under there."

Frank Henkel, the Conservative interior ministry spokesman, said: "This must be investigated thoroughly and immediately and the runways strengthened if necessary."

Berlin, with its sandy, dry soil, was perfect for the bunker-building of the Third Reich. Hundreds of thousands of them were constructed during the 12-year lifespan of the Nazi government: for every one metre of building above ground in modern-day Berlin, there are three metres below ground.

Bunkers are being discovered every day and a group called Underground Berlin has turned several of them into tourist attractions.



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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany
KEYWORDS: berlin; bomber; godsgravesglyphs; nazi; wwii
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To: Consort
Yes, and?

Yes, and posting the exaggerated Luftwaffe claims is not unlike the obstinate posts of those Southerners that refer to the Civil War as; "The War of Northern Aggression". In fact, the South struck first, and in fact, the Luftwaffe claims are preposterous. Your list would not pass the test of Occam's razor.

Yes and.... Next Veterans Day, attend services at a cemetery and find a marker that has an Army Air Corps insignia on it and a date of death between 1942 and 45. Take out your little list of Nazi victories and read that list of kills over the grave. If you can.

161 posted on 08/12/2003 1:58:29 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: elbucko
...and posting the exaggerated Luftwaffe claims...

Most of us would agree that it's a list of Nazi exaggerated claims and is just part of the other comments and images about the Nazis on this thread. What is your problem?

... is not unlike the obstinate posts of those Southerners that refer to the Civil War as; "The War of Northern Aggression".

First you attack me and then you attack Southerners. Who are you going after next?

...the Luftwaffe claims are preposterous.

Yes, that's all you had to say instead of going into the attack mode.

Next Veterans Day,...

Just who do you think you are questioning other peoples patriotism?

162 posted on 08/12/2003 4:57:24 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Consort
"Most of us would agree that it's a list of Nazi exaggerated claims..."

No, most don't. Three other posters on this thread regarding the Nazi scores, claim that they are true and not exeragerated.

"First you attack me and then you attack Southerners. Who are you going after next?"

I used that as an example. You must be a Southerner.

"the Luftwaffe claims are preposterous.
Yes, that's all you had to say instead of going into the attack mode."

That's all I did say until the Jr. Luftwaffe jumped in and claimed that the scores were factuall true "confirmed" kills.

"Just who do you think you are questioning other peoples patriotism?"

Start breathing through a paper bag and calm youself. I'm not dissing your patriotism, but your lack of judgement in posting bogus data. As I recall, it wasn't even on topic.

163 posted on 08/12/2003 5:36:33 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: elbucko
We don't need self appointed judgemental "Thread Police" like you telling us what we should or should not post.
164 posted on 08/12/2003 5:50:38 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Consort
According to Die Atombombe und das Dritte Reich. Das Geheimnis des Dreiecks Arnstadt - Wechmar - Ohrdruf [The Atom Bomb and the Third Reich: The Secret of the Arnstadt - Wechmar - Ohrdruf Triangle, by Edgar Mayer and Thomas Mehner, Nazi Germany succeeded in causing a nuclear explosion at an army base in Thuringia on March 16, 1945. I haven't seen the book, so I have no idea what evidence the authors put forward.
165 posted on 08/12/2003 6:12:03 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
I haven't seen the book,...

I never even heard of it.

166 posted on 08/12/2003 6:16:49 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Consort
We don't need self appointed judge mental "Thread Police" like you telling us what we should or should not post.

.I really don't care what you post. It's a free forum, subject only to JR. If it's junk like your kill list, that is not the least bit related to bombs under an East German airport, go ahead and make an ass out of yourself.

As for me, I know that these claims are Nazi's bragging about the young Americans they think they killed. And not for freedom, but for sport and for Der Fuhrer. It wasn't a game of "Flight Simulator" for the allied aircrews. The blood was real.

167 posted on 08/12/2003 6:36:00 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: Consort
I never even heard of it.

Well it MUST be true. Its good stuff about the Nazi's and they wouldn't print it, if it wasn't true!

168 posted on 08/12/2003 6:40:09 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: RoughDobermann
"Is that the stretched 190?"

Yes. It's the "D" model. Came out late. Wasn't used much. Had a liquid-cooled (V12?) engine instead of the 14-cylinder radial.

169 posted on 08/12/2003 7:05:36 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: elbucko
Well it MUST be true.

Then read it and report back to us.

170 posted on 08/12/2003 9:10:14 PM PDT by Consort
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To: fish hawk
Erich Hartmann would take the 109 and hand you your behind. The difference in performance between the Me109, FW190D-9, and the Mustang are insignificant if one pilot is vastly better than another.
171 posted on 08/12/2003 9:16:27 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: elbucko
I really don't care what you post.

Then why do you keep commenting on and making a fool of yourself?

It's a free forum, subject only to JR.

Remember that next time.

172 posted on 08/12/2003 9:17:06 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Tailback
I agree but the mustang is prettier.
173 posted on 08/12/2003 10:04:39 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: fish hawk
I agree but the mustang is prettier.

On that point I cannot disagree with you. I read a quote that if a pilot wanted to impress the girls he'd say he flew Mustangs. If he wanted to survive a dogfight he'd fly P-47's. The Mustang has to be the absolute hands down most beautiful piston engined fighter invented, but if I was flying back then I think I'd like that big reliable air-cooled radial engine in front of me.
174 posted on 08/12/2003 10:15:46 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: Recourse
Well, that finally answers the questions of all those left wing Democrats in 1945 who demanded to know "where are the fully armed planes we were told about"????

175 posted on 08/12/2003 10:22:05 PM PDT by Fledermaus
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To: Recourse

Berlin airport denies 'live bombs' claim
24 July 2003

BERLIN - Airport authorities in Berlin have denied published claims that "thousands of live bombs" from World War II lie buried underneath the city's second-largest airport.

"Just like Loch Ness monster sightings, every summer these stories surface about bunkers under Berlin filled with toxic materials," said airport spokesman Burkhard Kieker.


The latest spate of reports followed a story in Der Spiegel magazine claiming that construction of Berlin's proposed Berlin-Brandenburg International Airport could be stymied by underground toxic waste.

The story cited "newly discovered" East German Stasi secret police files which purportedly indicated that war surplus munitions and even some old aircraft with fuel still in their tanks might have been dumped into underground bunkers immediately after the war.

The new airport would replace Berlin's three over-crowded airports: Tegel in former West Berlin, Schoenefeld in former East Berlin and historic Tempelhof airport near the centre of the city.

"We've been looking into these reports since the early 1990s," Kieker said, "and so far all that has been found are a few crumbling underground storage rooms half-submerged in brackish water."
176 posted on 08/12/2003 10:27:56 PM PDT by wolficatZ (___><))))*>_____\0/________)
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To: Consort
Then read it and report back to us.

I don't have to. I already know the ending.

177 posted on 08/13/2003 8:00:34 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: Southack
This is totally ridiculous. There were no 44 divisions on the beachheads. There was only ONE beachhead with a (ONE) first line division, and that was Omaha. The British even walked without hardly getting fired on on some of their beaches. Most of the units in France were 2nd rate. And you seem to remember the little air superiority thing. So your claims are totally laughable.
178 posted on 09/17/2003 3:59:01 AM PDT by anotherGerman
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To: Live free or die

The Germans never developed laminar flow wings. I am not sure about high octane fuel either. As I recall they also didn’t have drop tanks or as good bomb sights. They also lagged behind in radar development. They also didn’t understand strategic bombing or implement it.IMHO


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