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Steady on men.
1 posted on 07/20/2003 11:12:15 AM PDT by Archangelsk
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Its time for a new division to head to Iraq and releive the 3rd Infantry. Those boys did their job, and we are jerking them around. Rumsfeld is starting to tick me off. Its not like we don't have troops to send.

This is for some of you Coolaid drinkers who have never served a day in service or had families go through the personal cost of separation. As we speak, military families as well as the men standing guard in Iraq are taking the hits. Mariages are going to fall apart, kids will go thtough life with out their father, and we are taking the risk that one of those men will snap after seeing a budy die and kill a bunch of civilians right in front of CNN or BBC cameras. When ... not if...that happens, Rumsfeld, GW or the Washington Generals will not be blamed, or have to live with that nightmare. It will be that poor guy who was at the end of his rope and his family that was waiting for a hero to come home and now have to live with the shame of disgrace.

Bring the 3rd ID home and send another division over there.
2 posted on 07/20/2003 11:24:06 AM PDT by dinok
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But now the deeply saddened RATS can jump for joy! Those 3 soldiers gave their lives so the number of fatalities can be sung from the highest hilltop. The RATS, along with their yellow journalists, have been claiming for weeks the death toll tops that of the Gulf War but as of today they won't be lying any more. The combat death toll of the Gulf was 148 from that 1 month war where as of Saturday that number was equal to the Iraq War that has been going on for not 1 month, but 4 times that long. Tommy and Kerry can finally sleep with a smile on their faces tonight.
19 posted on 07/20/2003 12:15:33 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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I hope a 100% effort is in place to improve protection and intel on these convoy routes!
21 posted on 07/20/2003 12:19:22 PM PDT by Gucho
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Full AP articles available from the Las Vegas Sun.

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Today: July 20, 2003 at 10:57:45 PDT

Two More U.S. Soldiers Killed in Iraq

By PAUL HAVEN
ASSOCIATED PRESS

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -

Iraq's daily barrage of attacks killed two more American soldiers and an Iraqi employee of a U.N.-affiliated relief agency Sunday, while thousands of followers of a hardline Shiite Muslim cleric staged an anti-American protest in the holy city of Najaf.

The two U.S. soldiers died when rocket-propelled grenades and small-arms fire struck their convoy early Sunday near Tal Afar, a town west of the northern city of Mosul, said military spokesman Cpl. Todd Pruden. Another soldier was injured. All the victims were from the 101st Airborne Division.

The deaths brought to 151 the number of U.S. troops killed in action since the March 20 start of war - four more than during the 1991 Gulf War. Also Sunday, a U.S. soldier was killed and two others injured when their vehicle crashed and flipped over near Baghdad International Airport, according to a statement from U.S. Central Command in Tampa, Fla.

The area of the convoy attack near Tal Afar, 240 miles northwest of Baghdad, had been relatively peaceful in recent weeks, and the ambush was a worrying development for American forces trying to bring stability to Iraq.

Most recent violence has occurred in an area north and west of Baghdad called the Sunni triangle, where some support for Saddam Hussein remains. Tal Afar lies outside that region.

On Sunday, the top U.S. official in Iraq said he believes Saddam is still alive and in the country, though not orchestrating attacks on American troops.

Paul Bremer, speaking to NBC's "Meet the Press," said there was no evidence of central control in the assaults, calling them "highly professional but very small, sort of squad-level attacks, five or six people at a time attacking us."

Still, he said, getting Saddam would help the situation.

"The sooner we can either kill him or capture him, the better, because the fact that his fate is unknown certainly gives his supporters the chance to go around and try to rally support for him," said Bremer.

In another troubling sign, a two-car convoy carrying members of the International Organization for Migration were ambushed near the southern city of Hilla when a pickup truck pulled up alongside one car and opened fire.

The car collided with a bus. Personnel in a World Health Organization convoy traveling behind the IOM vehicles treated three injured and took the Iraqi driver to a hospital, where he died, said Omer Mekki, the WHO deputy director in Iraq.

Both convoys were clearly marked as U.N. vehicles.

"We're a bit shaken. Everybody is a bit shocked," said Mekki. "But when we were recruited and we came to Iraq, we knew there were risks. An incident like this is not unexpected.

Ahmed Fawzi, spokesman for the special representative of U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, denounced the attack. "The United Nations is in Iraq to help the Iraqi people. We are not taking sides," he said in Baghdad.

"We have no way of knowing whether this was targeted at the United Nations. This is a dangerous situation. Only the restoration of law and order can put an end to these attacks," he said. The U.N. World Food Program was targeted in a July 6 grenade attack in Mosul, and four days later, the agency issued a release citing concern over the security situation in Iraq.

U.N. special representative Sergio Vieira de Mello left Iraq on Sunday. He is to report to the U.N. Security council on Tuesday.

Meanwhile, in Najaf, thousands of followers of Shiite Muslim cleric Muqtada al-Sadr set out from the Imam Ali shrine on a six-mile march to U.S. headquarters there, shouting slogans against the new, U.S.-sanctioned Iraqi Governing Council and the Americans.

"Long live al-Sadr. America and the Council are infidels," chanted the crowds. "Muqtada, go ahead. We are your soldiers of liberation."

U.S. troops prevented the demonstrators from entering the headquarters and soldiers barricaded the building with Humvees. The crowd dispersed after clerics read out an appeal by al-Sadr to go home.

Earlier, al-Sadr said in a statement read inside the shrine that he wanted coalition forces to leave Najaf and allow Iraqis to handle security for themselves. In his Friday sermon, the cleric said he was recruiting a private army but fell short of calling for armed struggle against the U.S. occupation.

A coalition official dismissed the threat, but said no private armies will be tolerated.

"The only army in Iraq will be the new Iraqi army, which is being formed," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity. "Anyone found with an unlicensed weapon will be arrested."

The U.S.-led coalition has begun building what it hopes will eventually be a 40,000-strong military force. On the first day of recruiting Saturday, the coalition processed 5,000 applications at centers in Mosul, Baghdad and the southern city of Basra, the official said.

Al-Sadr, thought to be 30 years old, is not considered a high-ranking Shiite cleric. Most of his support is by virtue of his being the son of Imam Mohammed Sadiq al-Sadr, a top Shiite religious leader assassinated by Saddam's agents in 1999.

In other news:

- A bomb detonated prematurely in the capital on Sunday, missing a U.S. Army convoy. The U.S. military quickly sealed off the area as Army experts searched for more explosive devices. Two more were found and defused.

-Two rocket-propelled grenades were fired at - and missed - a U.S. convoy on the outskirts of Tarimiya, 25 miles north of Baghdad.

- A large fire broke out at a warehouse of the international aid group CARE near the Baghdad railroad yard. Paint and wood were stored in the building, witnesses said.

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EDITOR'S NOTE: AP correspondents Bassem Mroue in Najaf and Hamza Hendawi in Baghdad contributed to this report.

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28 posted on 07/20/2003 12:41:12 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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posted here
29 posted on 07/20/2003 12:42:03 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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Would be great if the US could turn the tables on these sorts of terrorists, though.
31 posted on 07/20/2003 12:43:05 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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The problem as I see it, is the trading of a life for a life. We know that alot of these fanatics are prepared to die. Most of these incidents have been sniper attacks, where they didn't even have to risk their lives.

There really is no good solution as I see it. Iraq is the size of California. Just say there are only 200 dedicated bad guys in the country. Trying to root out all 200 before they trade their lives for one or more of ours is going to be a bitch, especially when we don't know who each of them are, what they look like, and where they are.

Even with pictures, try rounding up 200 people that are at an undetermined location in California and see how easy that is. Dropping bombs on a military site is easy pickings. Guerilla warfare is a bitch.

32 posted on 07/20/2003 12:43:27 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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This rock throwing sure looks familiar. Do they learn this in the Muslim primer?


36 posted on 07/20/2003 12:50:44 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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Thank you Archangelsk,My prayers and heart are with these families.
79 posted on 07/20/2003 3:33:24 PM PDT by fatima (Our troops are the best and we support them.)
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I just saw a CNN (yea right) news clip about this anti U.S. chanting and rock throwing by the Shiites. The reporter said something along the lines that extremist clerics have been emboldened by the news media which constantly show how U.S. troops seem to be demoralized and in bad shape.

This makes my blood boil, people like Peter Jennings, who have been all too eager and happy to give voices to dissenting soldiers, and the mainstream media, who have been way too eager to show how low in morale our troops are, have in fact aided the enemy as far as I am concerned.

Despicable.
88 posted on 07/20/2003 5:12:23 PM PDT by Stuckathome
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Every single day, I pray that God will keep all our troops safe from harm, that there will be good news for our efforts (discovery of WMD's or Saddam and Uday dead), but it seems like the support of the American public is so fickle that morale (and safety precautions) continue to plummet. Apart from prayer and solid support, what can WE do to help keep our troops safe? I get enraged when the Dems SAY they support our troops and then disintegrate every shred of morale they have with their political posturings. It's despicable.

How about some GOOD news, FOX? That's right, you've jumped on the anti-Bush bandwagon too, lately.
92 posted on 07/20/2003 5:49:53 PM PDT by alwaysconservative ("Without real freedom, there can be no real truth")
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What a bunch brave soldiers we have going up against of brainwashed monkeys'. It's time to break out the rubber bullet guns and start mowing down these idiots at any gathering.
102 posted on 07/20/2003 6:45:08 PM PDT by jetson
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This article was posted on another thread. As I mentioned there I just wonder if there isn't a connection to what's happening in Iraq and maybe what will be happening in Afghanistan. A concerted effort afoot? After all now the 10th ID has been called back. I know it's sounds tin foil but you never know...

Posted on 07/20/2003 4:31 PM PDT by blam

Taliban fighters return to ambush coalition forces

By Ahmed Rashid in Kabul

(Filed: 21/07/2003)

Hundreds of Taliban fighters have crossed into Afghanistan from Pakistan and are claiming large swathes of the country, the American commander of coalition forces in Kabul said yesterday.

As the Taliban intensified their attacks on American and Afghan forces over the weekend, Gen F L "Buster" Hagenbeck said the Taliban and its allies have regrouped in Pakistan, recruiting fighters from religious schools in the city of Quetta in a campaign funded by drug trafficking.

Groups of fighters have crossed the porous border and divided eastern Afghanistan into three zones for launching attacks, he said.

They have been joined by al-Qa'eda commanders who are establishing new cells and who are sponsoring the attempted capture of American troops.

"There are large numbers of Taliban coming back into southern Afghanistan but there have been some recent successes in resisting them," said Gen Hagenbeck, acting commander of coalition forces in Afghanistan.

"We have a very robust intelligence feed out there and we have a continuing strategy in which we will go to all the places that we need to track down the Taliban," he added.

"There are three groups made up of between 25 to 100 Taliban operating in Helmand province and they are facilitating the drugs trade."

Helmand is adjacent to Pakistan's Baluchistan province. Thousands loyal to Afghanistan's deposed Taliban regime now live in the province's capital, Quetta, where they congregate at the city's Islamic colleges. Remnants of the Kabul regime are believed to be recruiting young men to fight in Afghanistan. Pakistan denies it is helping the Taliban but has done nothing to stop their activities.

Relations between Kabul and Islamabad are already tense. On Friday Pakistani soldiers and Afghan fighters exchanged artillery and mortar fire across their disputed border at Baba-Doud, near the Khyber Pass.

Gen Hagenback, whose command is based at the Bagram airfield near Kabul, said that in north-eastern Afghanistan, also close to the Pakistani border, the forces of Gulbuddin Hikmetyar, the renegade commander who is allied to the Taliban, are "operating on the Jalalabad road moving up and down".

Also "there are second or third level al-Qa'eda leaders trying to establish cells on the road between Khost and Gardez".

Jalalabad is on the main road between the Paskitani city of Peshawa and Kabul while the other two towns are in traditional Taliban areas.

"The Taliban and al-Qa'eda are offering monetary incentives to kill or capture a United States soldier in order to undermine the Afghan government but it is clear they have very little local support," said Gen Hagenbeck. Militants are being offered between $5000 (£3,150) to $100,000 depending on the target, he added.

The resurgent forces pose a fresh threat to Kabul's fledgling government and the country's fragile security. Evidence of the resurgence of the Taliban was offered over the weekend by a series of clashes.

The most serious came on Saturday night when a coalition convoy came under attack near the southern town of Spin Boldak near the border with Pakistan. Up to 24 suspected Taliban fighters were killed when American soldiers returned fire and then Apache attack helicopters pursued the Taliban fighters into the hills.

Mullah Abdul Rauf, a Taliban commander, claimed at the weekend that 200 of his fighters had killed 20 Afghan soldiers loyal to President Hamid Karzai near Spin Baoldak but his claim had not been verified by the Kabul government.

More than 120 Afghan soldiers and civilians have been killed in Taliban attacks since the start of the year.

American officials say they will be taking up the issue of Taliban operating from Pakistan when Gen John Abizaid, the new Commander of the US Central Command, visits Islamabad next week.

108 posted on 07/20/2003 7:19:04 PM PDT by Davea
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