San Francisco Gays Whoop It Up Over Court Ruling as reported by Concerned Women for American

Concerned Women for America ^ | July 2, 2003 | Allyson Smith

[puroresu]

The more tolerant society is of homosexuality, the more out in the open homosexuals are. This includes the establishment of places such as bathhouses where they engage in wild promiscuity. This, in turn, spreads disease which the taxpayers are called upon to subsidize.

Uncloseted homosexuals also demand, and eventually get, restrictions on the liberties of the general public. Those restrictions require police power to enforce. These include speech codes, anti-discrimination laws (California is now considering a bill to make it a crime to refuse to hire men who wear dresses), diversity committees, special pro-homosexual curricula for the public schools, and more.

On a broader note, the more sexually libertine a society becomes, the more willing the people are to turn other aspects of their life over to government, with a resulting loss of freedom and increase in taxes & government expenditures. This is something Euro-Socialists have known for decades, and which American socialists have picked up on.

Now that gay marriage has come to Canada, do you expect it to have no effect on the size of government there? There will more bureaucrats needed to enforce "diversity", special textbook committees to ensure representation of gay couples in the schoolbooks, CBC monitors to require gay representation in the media, more government lawyers needed to weed out popular resistance, more social security type payments to "spouses" of deceased homosexuals, more "educrats" to teach the kiddies the glories of sodomy, more hate crime units to determine if an anti-gay letter to the editor is a punishable offense, etc., etc, ad nauseum.

[gitmo]

I don't know how you came to this definition of fundamentalist. You're describing the people Paul discussed in I Cor 1 & 2. He labeled these camps as divisions and contentions in the church. (I am of Paul, I am of Cephus, I am of Jesus).

A fundamentalist is simply someone who goes back to scripture as the plumb-line against which truth is measured. Much like conservatives should go back to the Constitution and its supporting documents as the basis of law in this country.

I know Fundamentalists who spend time working with the poor, with prisoners, with street people, prostitutes and junkies. Some of my fundie friends came from the homosexual community, from the Hell's Angels, and one was an 'enforcer' for a Loan Shark. Several were hookers and junkies.

The anti-fundamentalist posts in the thread appear to imply that fundamentalist Christians focus on homosexuality and want to somehow do away with the people who ar homosexuals. I don't see that opinion in the Churches I've worked with. They see homosexuality as a sin that catches people in its grips and won't let go. Like alcoholism. Like drug addiction. Like uncontrolled anger. Like gluttony. Like stealing. What they do oppose is the attempts to legitimize this sin, and to try to expose children to it in schools and on television. And at Disney World.

We also recognize that this particular lifestyle very often relies on recruitment of young innocent children in order to enlarge it ranks and its population of potential partners.

And we see attempts to legalize it as means to achieve that recruitment for their own sensual pleasures.

Here's where we Fundamentalists find ourselves: we all have things in our lives that try to seduce us from the path we know God has called us to. Paul expressed this so well in Romans. He said he does the things he hates and often doesn't do the things he knows he should. "Oh wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! ..."

Those things that are tempting to me have little sway on others, and vice versa. But if I try to justify my prediliction to sin so I may hold onto it, I deny myself the grace that He provided.

[puroresu]

Excellent post!

[gitmo]

You're a fast reader!

[FreedomCalls]

Bush’s spokesman, Ari Fleisher, side-stepped any serious comment on the high court's Lawrence v. Texas ruling by dismissing it as a state issue during a news conference following the decision.

It was a state issue until the Supreme Court put its boot on Texas's throat and ruled it now as a federal constitutional "privacy rights" issue.

[kmshiloh]

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mdmathis6]

You make a lot of judgments about fundamentalists that aren't true, mixing sneering hyperbole with willfull ignorance.
True Fundamentalists say that the whole Bible is true, no they wouldn't cheat on their income taxes, and would follow both JAMES and PAUL, but mostly the two greatest commandments uttered By Christ(Love God with your heart and soul and mind and Love your neighbor as your-self).
A true fundamentalist knows that faith with-out works is dead, but works themselves can not justify one-self to God.

A true fundamentalist knows that with out LOVE, all of his preachings and teachings are as crashing cymbals, just a bunch of harsh noise, that attacks the unbeliever rather than "woos him" with the love of God.

A true fundamentalist knows that out-side of God's grace, sinners are jubject to the the condemnation of the law(such as in Leviticus), and are horrified that men would choose eternal separation from God rather than Christ's peace-able kingdom.

A true fundamentalist seeks introspective honesty with himself and God. He or she will, using the bible as a mirror, subject his motives and thoughts to God's scrutiny, not that any-thing is hidden from God any-way...but this principle has to do with becoming believers "after God's own heart" While the result often leads to the realization that the more one grows with God, the more one discovers his total depravity, we discover how much more wonderful are God's grace and mercy are over our failures.

Finally, a true fundamentalist,has a peice of God inside him/her, his Holy Spirit, that for the rest of our lives, preserves and renews our inner man daily, even though our outer flesh perishes. A fundamentalist knows one cannot live God's way without the power to do so, and with-out the continuing grace to operate should one stumble out of the way.

To live as a fundamentalist, is to operate with the knowledge that God doesn't always take the bad attitudes and thoughts out of our hearts, we operate out of joy at our forgiveness, and saddness that God accepts and loves us despite the shadier sides of us that only the Spirit can contend with...those deeper impulses of our personalities, that only God alone can deal with!

[Hyacinth Bucket]

Homosexuality is not the worst of all sins. Sin is sin. Every form of it, from an unkind thought to a heinous murder, is displeasing to God. We are all sinners. The only difference is that some have been forgiven because they have repented and asked Jesus to be their Lord and Savior while others have not been forgiven because they have not asked.

I do not think it is right for Christians to use words like "fags", "dykes", sodomites (though this term is used in the Bible, it is not a license to use it in a hateful manner), etc. These are people. People caught up in a sinful lifestyle. Much like any of us before God had compassion on us and cleaned us up. We have to have compassion on people who are in a homosexual lifestyle and help them find the way out.

At the same time, we cannot stay silent about where society is heading. It is possible to speak up on the issue without hating in your heart.

The philosophy of "live and let live" seems like the right way but is pretty ignorant. One man practicing unrestrained freedom will surely and inevitably encroach on other's freedoms. Freedom without morality is no way to live because slowly but surely rampant evil and lawlessness will rule.

I'm not advocating the government to force morality and religion on everybody. Separation of church and state is essential. But we have to speak up and tell others that our society will quickly crumble if immorality of ALL kinds is condoned, accepted, and taught to innocent children.

[MarMema]

You think small children should be exposed to this kind of adult sexual matter?

[puroresu]

Unfortunately, much of the gay agenda is aimed at kids. The idea is to expose them to this stuff at an early age.

[First Amendment]

A fundamentalist is simply someone who goes back to scripture as the plumb-line against which truth is measured.

Said very clearly. The word "fundamentalist" is used perjoratively by those who don't "believe" that there is Absolute Truth (exempting their own "belief" of course).

(I wonder how they'd view my conviction not only in the truths in the Bible but in the Bhagavad Gita??)

[Bush2000]

Besides, all Fundies are phony preachers.

Methinks you were dropped on your head a few too many times. Anybody that uses the word "all" to stereotype (as you have) has a thin grip on reality...

And I'm not wrong either - Most Americans are sick and tired of Fundies. Seriously.

You now presume to speak for "most Americans", do you? Add schizophrenic and delusional to your list of personal problems ...

[Calpernia]

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[First Amendment]

I do not think it is right for Christians to use words like "fags", "dykes", sodomites (though this term is used in the Bible, it is not a license to use it in a hateful manner), etc.

The word "homosexual" was actually invented by a pederast (how do you like that word?) in (I think) Germany at the end of the 19th cent. He started a homosexual group, which after some time and change, helped form the Nazi philosphy. He wanted a descriptive word that gave men who had sex with men and boys a sense of community and "specialness". There's more about this in "The Pink Swastika" by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams (it's online at www.abidingtruth.com), I've read it and it is a well-documented eye-opener.

In England recently, a law was passed outlawing the use of the word "homosexual" as too negative sounding. I think in the pricacy of your own home it might be allowed, but not in public. How's that for insanity?

In SF, the words "fag, queer, and dyke" are used by them for self-indentification. A term I like is SSAD - Same Sex Attraction Disorder. So they are SSAD's or people with SSAD. Descriptive, not rude, not cutesy and accepting.

[evangmlw]

You must be related to Janis Joplin. Should get an STD check and make sure the same disease is not eating up your brain. It's definitely not functioning properly!

[FormerLib]

The pro-homo cheerleaders are out in force.

When the Log Cabin Republicans wheel that wooden horse up to out gates, just burn it where it stands!

[goodseedhomeschool]

SICK WORLD PLACEMARKER

[RightOnline]

"We're not trolls, we're just sick of Fundamentalists busybodies."

Are ya now.....................Explain. Make it good.

[RightOnline]

You're pathetic. In fact...............a pathetic excuse for a human being. You attempt to establish moral equivalence here.........and your attempt is sophomoric, trite, and wholly transparent.

IOW........get bent.

[DAnconia55]

You attempt to establish moral equivalence here.........and your attempt is sophomoric, trite, and wholly transparent.

Yeah, You're right.

The Fundie preacher was guilty of an actual crime

hehehehehe....