Posted on 07/02/2003 7:41:17 AM PDT by upchuck
Want to foster responsibility and commitment? There is no better way
A long time ago, the New Republic ran a contest to discover the most boring headline ever written. Entrants had to beat the following snoozer, which had inspired the event: WORTHWHILE CANADIAN INITIATIVE. Little did the contest organizers realize that one day such a headline would be far from boring and, in its own small way, a social watershed.
Canada's federal government decided last week not to contest the rulings of three provincial courts that had all come to the conclusion that denying homosexuals the right to marry violated Canada's constitutional commitment to civic equality. What that means is that gay marriage has now arrived in the western hemisphere. And this isn't some euphemism. It isn't the quasi-marriage now celebrated in Vermont, whose "civil unions" approximate marriage but don't go by that name. It's just marriage — for all. Canada now follows the Netherlands and Belgium with full-fledged marital rights for gays and lesbians.
Could it happen in the U.S.? The next few weeks will give us many clues. The U.S. Supreme Court is due to rule any day now on whether it's legal for Texas and other states to prosecute sodomy among gays but not straights. More critical, Massachusetts' highest court is due to rule very soon on whether the denial of marriage to gays is illicit discrimination against a minority. If Massachusetts rules that it is, then gay couples across America will be able to marry not only in Canada (where there are no residency or nationality requirements for marriage) but also in a bona fide American state. There will be a long process of litigation as various married couples try hard to keep their marriages legally intact from one state to another.
This move seems an eminently conservative one — in fact, almost an emblem of "compassionate conservatism." Conservatives have long rightly argued for the vital importance of the institution of marriage for fostering responsibility, commitment and the domestication of unruly men. Bringing gay men and women into this institution will surely change the gay subculture in subtle but profoundly conservative ways. When I grew up and realized I was gay, I had no concept of what my own future could be like. Like most other homosexuals, I grew up in a heterosexual family and tried to imagine how I too could one day be a full part of the family I loved. But I figured then that I had no such future. I could never have a marriage, never have a family, never be a full and equal part of the weddings and relationships and holidays that give families structure and meaning. When I looked forward, I saw nothing but emptiness and loneliness. No wonder it was hard to connect sex with love and commitment. No wonder it was hard to feel at home in what was, in fact, my home.
For today's generation of gay kids, all that changes. From the beginning, they will be able to see their future as part of family life — not in conflict with it. Their "coming out" will also allow them a "coming home." And as they date in adolescence and early adulthood, there will be some future anchor in their mind- set, some ultimate structure with which to give their relationships stability and social support. Many heterosexuals, I suspect, simply don't realize how big a deal this is. They have never doubted that one day they could marry the person they love. So they find it hard to conceive how deep a psychic and social wound the exclusion from marriage and family can be. But the polls suggest this is changing fast: the majority of people 30 and younger see gay marriage as inevitable and understandable. Many young straight couples simply don't see married gay peers next door as some sort of threat to their own lives. They can get along in peace.
As for religious objections, it's important to remember that the issue here is not religious. It's civil. Various religious groups can choose to endorse same-sex marriage or not as they see fit. Their freedom of conscience is as vital as gays' freedom to be treated equally under the civil law. And there's no real reason that the two cannot coexist. The Roman Catholic Church, for example, opposes remarriage after divorce. But it doesn't seek to make civil divorce and remarriage illegal for everyone. Similarly, churches can well decide this matter in their own time and on their own terms while allowing the government to be neutral between competing visions of the good life. We can live and let live.
And after all, isn't that what this really is about? We needn't all agree on the issue of homosexuality to believe that the government should treat every citizen alike. If that means living next door to someone of whom we disapprove, so be it. But disapproval needn't mean disrespect. And if the love of two people, committing themselves to each other exclusively for the rest of their lives, is not worthy of respect, then what is?
My comments on this could easily eclipse the length of his essay. Suffice it to say that, in trying to make his point, IMHO, Mr Sullivan has enumerated plenty of reasons to oppose gay marriage.
Well, one comment; I just couldn't let him(?) get away with this one...
When I looked forward, I saw nothing but emptiness and loneliness.
Gee, Andy, did it ever cross your mind that you felt that way because you were going down a wrong path?
"Conservatives have long rightly argued for the vital importance of the institution of marriage for fostering responsibility, commitment and the domestication of unruly men."
This is a sick, perverted statement. They are just trying to obfuscate the very concept of marriage into oblivion.
The Roman Catholic Church, for example, opposes remarriage after divorce. But it doesn't seek to make civil divorce and remarriage illegal for everyone.
This is not the case. Take Ireland, for example, where the Church in fact did oppose the legalization of civil divorce in recent referenda. The Church absolutely does try to impose its morality on society, and well that it should.
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However, I do fully support members of the same sex being able to enter into cohabitation agreements, similar to a marriage arangement. This is recognized in some States, and it should be. If two men, or two women, want to draw up a legal contract outlining "who gets what" if they separate, then I have no problem with it. It just can't be called "marriage".
Agree.
I would like to reserve the word "marriage" to the sacrament administered in a church between a man and woman.
Gays can be creative enough to come up with a suitable word for their civilly recognized unions.
Only in a church??
One will advance and the other retreat.
In time, if nothing is done to stop this movement--we will be called on to celebrate deviant sex.
Finally, homosexual sex will gain a higher status than heterosexual sex -- and women will lose caste.
I'm sorry, I don't agree with you. I can't see homos magically succeeding in turning straight people gay. Here in Vermont (yes, I'm *there*) all the straight people I know are still straight, and mostly married, and the civil union legislation has gone nearly unnoticed by everyone I know (myself included).
And newsflash - we're already being "called upon to celebrate deviant sex". Any gay pride parade is a display of that. *THAT'S* my biggest issue with the gay community - their need to make everyone aware of what they do in their bedrooms. Personally, I don't care, don't want to know, and don't believe that everyone needs to know what goes on in mine.
In short, you're giving gays more power than they actually have - the power to turn straight people with no interest in gay sex into gays. Are the flaming homos annoying? Yes. Flamboyant? Yes. Tasteless? Yessiree. But do they have magic powers to make straight people into gays? Nope.
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