Nazi Greens

TruthNews ^ | Jun 14, 2003 | Judson Cox

[PeaceBeWithYou]

An insightful commentary on the Green Party.

Enjoy.

[moyden2000]

Liberals are evil

[Travis McGee]

Interesting.

[DPB101]

I do not pretend that my experience with a Nazi turned Green is evidence that all Greens are Nazis; I am sure many are not. . .

For years, Greens in Europe have been toying with a Himmler type mysticism. It is beyond Gaia worship. It has a nasty "Olympia" and "Triumph of the Will" flavor to it. The antisemitism is a new development.

[risk]

I'd just like to say that not all who advocate conservation are left wingnuts verging on fascist ecoterrorists. Then again, my brand of conservation calls for saving bigger whales and dolphis because they are intelligent, avoiding cutting old-growth trees when possible, and using/consuming natural resources in a sensible way. Pollution, which was awful in LA in the early 1970s has actually gotten better due to smog control on cars, etc...

I'm sure I wouldn't last long among any of the green organizations. I'd prefer to work with conservatives on conserving natural resources with common sense. I support the Healthy Forests initiative, for one thing! President Bush is doing good work. I also support drilling in ANWAR and off of our coastlines if it can be done cleanly.

[Skywalk]

Yeah, just when you think they've exhausted the seemingly limitless possibilities of evil and delusion, they offer up something new.

[PeaceBeWithYou]

You wouldn't last because you actually care about the enviroment, and would see that they only use it as cover, and as a ploy to futher their politcal goals.

[ApesForEvolution]

Insightful and well written. Thanks for sharing.

Islamonazicommies within will start a war inside this union (unless real patriots pre-emptively start it first) sooner rather than later if they don't get their way in the next election or two.

If they win in the next election or two, RKBA will be the first greatest 'threat' they will be sure to eradicate....

[Lefty-NiceGuy]

If a leader were to arise-a man who was a vegetarian, a radical environmentalist, a tea-drinking, nature worshipping, anti-smoking fanatic, a socialist, a proponent of abortion and of medical research utilizing fetal tissue, who would outlaw speech and ideas that he didn't approve of, an animal rights activist, a controversial artist and writer, a pagan who's harshest rhetoric was directed against Jews and Christians - he could rise quickly to the leadership of the Green Party. Indeed, such a man would find few critics among democrats, and would be welcomed by the faculty of most colleges. Such a man did once exist, and did become the leader of a modern nation only a few decades ago. That man was Adolph Hitler.
Ummmmm, Hitler wasn't as far as I know a vegetarian, a radical enviromentalist, nature worshipping, anti-smoking fanatic, an animal rights activist, or an anti-Christian.

Facism/Nazism were blunders of the "right" just as communism was the blunder of the "left". I would like to think that both the modern left and right having learned from history would never want to repeat it.

It's not hard to see how a right wing racist can wind up a left wing racist. These nuts aren't concerned about the core ideologies of left or right; they're just nuts. They'll do silly mental gymnastics tring to jump on board with anyone who will tollerate them. Your friend tring to explain how she's a Nazi, but wants to "end captialism" and doesn't "support any one nation", is a great example. Hitler supported his one nation and he had few problems with captialism.

In America's two party system there's kind of a displacement affect. When blacks were supported by dems, dixicrats hopped over to the reps. When pro-Isreal groups gained support of the reps, antisemitists will pop up with the dems and other left parties. This tends to make for some strange bed fellows. We just have to make it 100% clear to our politicians if you support these racists in any way, we don't care how nice your platform is; we'll vote against you.

[Leisler]

"...Facism/Nazism were blunders of the "right" just ...

Have another cocktail.

N.A.Z.I is National Socialists Workers Party. How were the Nazis from the "right"?

[Leisler]

Your are a lefty ( which requires a body of falshoods. )

"Hitler supported his one nation and he had few problems with captialism."

"And if we ask who was responsible for our misfortune, then we must inquire who profited by our collapse. And the answer to that question is the "Banks and Stock Exchanges are more flourishing than ever before." We were told that capitalism would be destroyed, and when we ventured to remind one or other of these "famous statesmen" and said "Don't forget that Jews too have capital," then the answer will now be destroyed, the whole people will now be free. We are not fighting Jewish or Christian capitalism, we are fighting every capitalism: we are making the people completely free." "
Adolf Hitler
Speech of April 12,
http://history.hanover.edu/courses/excerpts/111hit1.html

[Hinoki Cypress]

I'm kinda glad I went to college (Drake University, Des Moines, IA) from '67-'71, and all we had were "hippies" to deal with. Oh wait, I was one of them back then.

[moneyrunner]

”Ummmmm, Hitler wasn't as far as I know a vegetarian, a radical enviromentalist, nature worshipping, anti-smoking fanatic, an animal rights activist, or an anti-Christian.”

You really should look into it a little more. The problem with most people is that they view Hitler as one-dimensional. A cartoon character with a silly mustache who started WW2 and killed a lot of Jews.

He was a vegetarian. He was - for his time - a radical environmentalist. The Nazis did worship nature as part of their Pan-German desire to take Germany back to the imaginary world depicted in Wagner’s operas. He was opposed to smoking. And he persecuted the Christian Church and threw many of its leaders into concentration camps. Unmentioned in the article, he was also a war hero and a sex object for German women.

The John Kerry of his day?

[avg_freeper]

I have a hunch that the national socialists (NAZI) may have been pro-socialist. In the same way that the NRA is pro rifle, PETA is pro animals, and the NAACP is pro colored people. Well, at least liberal colored people.

[Lefty-NiceGuy]

Your are a lefty ( which requires a body of falshoods. )
I call myself a lefty here, because I consider myself to be a moderate (which requires listening to two bodies of flashoods :-) )

Nice quote notice that it's from April 12, 1921 when he was pandering to the left. In Germany at this time there were communists on the one side, the nationalists on the other, and in between a couple parties that were failing to deal with the people's needs. Hitler picked the name national socialist, to buy support from both sides. As he was complaining about capitalism then, he was being funded by banks and rich buisnessmen. He formed a coallition government in the begining with other parties being considered good for buisness. Private industry fueled the Nazi German economy. Constrast this to the USSR or Socialist China. Stalin and Hitler probably could have agreed on things like subservience of the individual to the state, but thier echonomic views were far apart. Today neonazis in Germany are still "rechsextremisten" -- "right extreamist".

Definately at the time he was considered to be right wing (that's where he sat in the Reichstag). I can understand people from the modern right not wanting to be identified in any way with Nazis, but don't try to rewrite history as a conflict between the "right" and all that is evil. There were things that grew out of the so called "right" movements of their times that were horible too.

Sorry this is the first time I've heard of people tring to paint the Nazis as leftists. I always thought Stalin and Mao made better examples of that. Once you start giving everything up to totalitarianism, I guess what ever extrem crap you have all looks alike.

Have another cocktail.
I'll take a White Russian. Thanks. :-)

[Jim Noble]

Environmentalism was a key component of the NSDAP program.

Many Germans, including my grandfather, have a very romantic view of nature, and the NSDAP made full use of this volkisch romanticism.

[Tijeras_Slim]

I'm prone to think this article is a bit over the top. Liberals use NAZI as their ultimate epithet and debate stopper. I don't think they would ever consider themselves as NAZIs, even though they share many of the same charming characteristics.

[Jim Noble]

Ummmmm, Hitler wasn't as far as I know a vegetarian, a radical enviromentalist, nature worshipping, anti-smoking fanatic, an animal rights activist, or an anti-Christian.

Then you don't know very far.

He was all of those things, but the NSDAP was very, very green.

[Lefty-NiceGuy]

He was a vegetarian. He was - for his time - a radical environmentalist. The Nazis did worship nature as part of their Pan-German desire to take Germany back to the imaginary world depicted in Wagner’s operas. He was opposed to smoking. And he persecuted the Christian Church and threw many of its leaders into concentration camps. Unmentioned in the article, he was also a war hero and a sex object for German women.
Ok, I can see that stuff fitting. I remember he studied art, but never got far there. Yeah on the one side they persecuted Christians that opposed them, on the other side Hitler died a Catholic never denounced by the church. I think they even tried to use Christian anti-semitism.

Hehe, I doubt John Kerry is considered a sex object :-).

I also don't think everytime a politician is sexy, artistic, vegetarian, or a war hero who likes the enviroment, we should immediately compare him with Hitler.

[Lefty-NiceGuy]

He was all of those things, but the NSDAP was very, very green.
Wait so they were good for the enviroment, took care of social stuff, and their economy and military might was kicking the crap out of Europe.

I thought that wasn't possible. Too bad we cann't seem to do it in a democracy. I'm not saying I'd ever trade, but boy that's scary.

Seriously though, totalitarian states are free to ignore enviroment and social problems. In the long run they tend to screw both. Just look at East Europe.