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Man who shot bear near house charged by DEP
Boston Globe ^ | 6.12.03

Posted on 06/12/2003 8:28:12 PM PDT by mhking

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:10:04 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: mhking
Evidently, next time we have to wait 'till it's in our living room.

I'm not sure even that would get them off the hook.

Now - running the risk of sounding trigger happy........ My opinion (and not based in law in any form) is that if a 400lb bear comes into my year for any reason, other than I have intentionally drawn the bear there by baiting it in or feeding it regularly, should be a fair target. I don't care if the guy shot the bear in the butt or the head - it was 15 feet from him when he shot it - way too close - and IN HIS YARD. And from the sound of things - this is not the first time this or other bears have been in their yard. I belive there is another story posted about a bear actually breaking in to someone's kitchen....let me see.....A hungry black bear barges in to kitchen .

If the DNR wants to protect the bears, then they need to trap them and move 'em to where they have less chance of getting in someone's yard where they are very much NOT welcome.

21 posted on 06/12/2003 10:24:00 PM PDT by TheBattman (DCI--Art, Athleticism, and Music rolled into one jaw-dropping package!)
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To: TheBattman
Not 15 feet, 15 yards....45 feet.

(But I am not quibbling over your point, not at all.)
22 posted on 06/13/2003 1:09:58 AM PDT by ChemistCat
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To: mhking
''They say people can't go around just killing bears,'' Flynn's wife, Kristine said. ''That's not what we do; if we did, there would be 15 or 20 dead bears on our lawn. Evidently, next time we have to wait 'till it's in our living room.''

Actually, it's the kitchen.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/928135/posts. Blackbird.

23 posted on 06/13/2003 2:05:58 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: Husker24
There's a reason why lots and lots of people live in NJ, and a reason why it's called "The Garden State".
24 posted on 06/13/2003 6:27:46 AM PDT by motzman (Gee, raining again in NJ...)
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To: ChemistCat
Thank you for the correction (but I still would probably have put a bullet in it at that distance as well!)
25 posted on 06/13/2003 6:39:26 AM PDT by TheBattman (DCI--Art, Athleticism, and Music rolled into one jaw-dropping package!)
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To: mhking
A hungry black bear barges in to kitchen
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/928135/posts?page=1

Plan to Attend the May 22 Fish & Wildlife Hearing on Black Bear Hunting
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/909379/posts
Bear Hunting In New Jersey
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/915469/posts
Bear swats Sparta, NJ toddler
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/915249/posts
Jersey Could End Bear Market (NJ lawmakers to give animal rights group $95,000 to end hunting)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/907309/posts
Bear Kills Infant In Upstate N.Y.
Bear Dragged 5-Month-Old Away From Summer Bungalow Colony
http://cbsnewyork.com/siteSearch/news_story_1364547158_html

God:

Genesis 9:3
Every creature that is alive shall be yours to eat; I give them all to you as I did the green plants.


Man:

Kill the humans (abortion) and save the Bears, the spotted owls and the whales and don't crack that turtle egg.

You can get fined up to $10,000 for messing with those eggs and baby-killing physicians get paid government and private money $$$ to kill humans! Go figure.

http://endangered.fws.gov/esa.html#Lnk11 http://endangered.fws.gov/wildlife.html#Species
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/785378/posts

http://endangered.fws.gov/

The Endangered Species Act of 1973
http://endangered.fws.gov/esaall.pdf

Page 4 Sec 3 (c)(8) don't crack those eggs, one might end the "life" of a bird, fish or turtle. I guess certain "mammals" (humans) do not apply.

http://profs.lp.findlaw.com/endanger/endanger_6.html

The Govt. recognizes that a fertilized egg from an animal is "alive" and protected by LAW (The Endangered Species Act of 1973) and when in a human, in God's image, it's just a blob of "unlive" protoplasm which can be aspirated if it's the mother's "choice" to do so with no protections under the 5th and 14th Amendments to the Constitution.
26 posted on 06/13/2003 10:25:39 AM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/notify?detach=1)
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To: motzman; mhking
One trapped in West Milford; another killed at Vernon home
Wednesday, June 18, 2003
Photo by: DON SMITH
arrowWest Milford Police Officer Steve Stratton preparing to shoot non-lethal rubber bullets at a female bear that was trapped at a township home Tuesday.

For some of New Jersey's black bears, Tuesday was a day of life, death, and reconditioning.

More living proof that black bears are coming too close for comfort could be found in the trap that state Fish and Wildlife officers set at Kristine Flynn's house in West Milford on June 10. Fish and Wildlife arrived and tranquilized the bear, then set her free late Tuesday afternoon - but only after reconditioning her by pumping rubber bullets at her backside.

A bear that wandered into a home in nearby Vernon on Tuesday wasn't so lucky. She was shot and killed by Fish and Wildlife officers after she left the house and went into the woods - an action by the officers that outraged members of an animal rights group, who contend the state has become trigger happy.

Black bears are protected in New Jersey, and state policy says they can be killed only when posing an imminent danger to people, pets, or property.

"That bear posed absolutely no threat to anyone," said , Joanne Floridia an activist who lives about a block from the Callan Road house that the bear entered. "He had already left the house when he was shot. That bear was known in the neighborhood. This is an outrage."

Floridia, a member of the anti-hunting organization Bear Education And Resource, went to the scene and challenged the reasoning for the killing.

The wild day began around 8:30 a.m., when Flynn heard what she said "sounded like a guillotine" outside her converted log cabin on Kashaqua Trail near Greenwood Lake. It was the sound of a door of a barrel trap slamming shut on a 200-pound female bear and wrapping her in a wire mesh.

The female was apparently in heat - four other bears that had picked up her scent came into the Flynns' yard while Fish and Wildlife officers and West Milford police were tranquilizing her. The officers also decided one of the suitors, a large male, needed to be tranquilized.

"I'm kind of glad that Fish and Game was here when all this happened, because now they know what we are going through," Flynn said. "Now they know what it's like to live here."

Even before the trap door was sprung Tuesday, the Flynn house was the political crossroads in the debate over what New Jersey should do about its burgeoning black-bear problem. On June 5, Flynn's husband, Patrick, shot a bear after it tried to enter his kitchen while his wife was cooking dinner. The bear limped off into the woods and was found the next day by Fish and Wildlife officers, who destroyed the animal.

A week later, Fish and Wildlife returned, set up the trap at the Flynns' home, and issued Patrick Flynn a summons for illegally shooting a bear. An autopsy showed that the bear had been hit in the rear at a range of about 15 yards, suggesting that the animal was attempting to flee. But the Flynns contend the animal was no more than 15 feet away when shot, having turned his head back toward the house as if preparing to reapproach it.

Flynn is due to appear in West Milford Municipal Court on July 1.

The state estimates that there are as many as 3,200 black bears living in New Jersey. Many have lost their fear of humans and found that eating out of garbage cans is easier than foraging in the forest.

The state Fish and Game Council has proposed allowing a bear hunt to coincide with shotgun season for deer in December to thin the population, but animal rights groups have vowed to stop it. So each incident involving bears and humans becomes politically explosive.

As policy, the state's goal is to recondition the bears to stay away from humans by teaching them a painful lesson using rubber bullets and explosives. But some of the bears don't seem to be getting the message.

The Vernon bear, which had been tagged No. 71 by the state, was a known garbage picker in the area around Barry Lakes, Floridia said.

"I would see her in garbage cans and I would chase her away, sometimes popping my umbrellas, sometimes even chasing her with my own car," Floridia said. "But some people are still not maintaining their garbage properly. On Monday morning, there were plastic bags ripped apart and scattered all over the road."

Bradley Campbell, state Department of Environmental Protection commissioner, defended the decision to kill the bear in Vernon.

"I think it's a little unreasonable to say that our biologists were quick to the trigger," Campbell said. "Obviously, killing a bear is always the last resort, but that bear had been exhibiting that kind of behavior for two years."

Campbell pointed out that four bears have been put to death this year, as compared with eight at this time last year. But members of the Bear Education And Resource group say they will protest the killing at a rally at Route 23 and Canistear Road in Vernon on Saturday morning.

"I don't care if I have to lay down in the middle of Route 23,"

Floridia said. "I am waiting for the day when the state will begin managing its wildlife instead of just killing it."

Richard Cowen's e-mail address is cowen@northjersey.com


27 posted on 06/18/2003 8:21:50 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/notify?detach=1)
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To: Coleus
"I don't care if I have to lay down in the middle of Route 23,"

I would lay heavy odds that this wo-man is pro-abortion.
28 posted on 06/19/2003 4:53:43 AM PDT by motzman (the only good bear is a Newark Bear)
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To: mhking
"Although Flynn told authorities at the time that he shot the bear in self-defense"

There is his problem. He TOLD them. Thus, he obviously wants to play by THEIR rules. He should have just buried the thing instead of "notifying" someone "important" as if he had shot a human. Maybe next time he will just shoot first, bury, and forget. I do.

29 posted on 06/19/2003 4:59:43 AM PDT by Windsong
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To: Coleus
"Genesis 9:3 Every creature that is alive shall be yours to eat; I give them all to you as I did the green plants

You know what is interesting? It never says whether animals were immortal in the very beginning, before the Fall. Sometimes one has to wonder if these Eco-Terrorists are secretly restor what cannot (and according to Christ, what SHOULD not) be restored.

"Reject the World, and everything in it, for my kingdom is not of it"

30 posted on 06/19/2003 5:05:55 AM PDT by Windsong
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To: Coleus
I cringed when I saw "23 and Canistear road".

I drive from Highland lakes down Canistear and turn onto 23 there and these idjits often will stand there at the very very long traffic light and give out propoganda materials to the trapped motorists that queue up. I breathed a sigh of relief when I saw it was saturday.

Two misconceptions about New Jersey that most people have before they move here(I lived in Ohio for 28 years). 1. It's a giant metroplex. 2. It's coastal plain and relatively flat.

My GPS tells my the altitude of my office in Bergan county is 54 feet. My driveway in Highland Lakes is 1255. If I walk up behind my house about 1/10 mile, the elevation goes to 1450 feet. While this isn't the Rocky mountains, it does impose a major restriction on travel as there are sheer cliffs and steep grades all over the place. One road into my town is 25% grade and is aptly named breakneck. I could also walk about a mile from my home and jump off a sheer cliff that plummets 500 feet straight down.

And to the bears, we have had them up here forever, but in the past couple years, they are much worse. Don't buy this bunk about humans enchroaching on the bears. There hasn't been a new home built around where I live in years.

In fact, several weeks ago, I took the following pictures of 3 bears. The big one is the one who was killed last week after invading the kitchen. The invaded house is about 1/2 mile from mine.

Mama bear and two cubs
31 posted on 06/19/2003 5:26:50 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: Malsua
Hey, where are the pics?
32 posted on 11/28/2003 6:31:52 PM PST by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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