I had to flip it and crop it in Photoshop. She looks kinda like Winona, don't she?
Posted on 05/27/2003 1:54:32 PM PDT by chance33_98
Your objection. #2: The plaintiff will be happy if a no-picture license is issued.
If no picture is acceptable, a judge may not find any state compelling interest in forcing a woman to uncover her face just for a picture.
No picture, no problem.
I know the cases are different, but the fact the Christians have special rights in this country is not different.
The Amish can get away with riding buggies in the street at night without lights or reflectors. That's a safety issue argued unsuccessfully by the safety-concerned state officials.
LOL, I agree with protecting religious freedom, but I believe we need to protect it from you and your ilk who would outlaw it.
I had to flip it and crop it in Photoshop. She looks kinda like Winona, don't she?
So now you want to play the race card. Funny I don't recall mentioning anything about anyone's race. But I'll bite and play along just to see where you are going. On the assumption that you can cite a "legal" curfew wherein this happens I would say no. No one should be allowed any special exemptions based on the color of their skin. This includes both your curfew example and my college admission example that I am going to submit.
I really don't know how the federal district court will rule on this case, but I suspect that the fact that obnoxious Christians receive special rights while getting driver's licenses will weigh heavily in the court's mind.
To say that American Muslims should not receive similar special rights as Christians because some Muslims, mostly foreigners, are terrorists might be a difficult argument to make in order to prevail. As a matter of fact, the State of Florida is not making such argument.
Nevertheless, I realize that the courts are completely unpredictable. The US Supreme Court in 1940 decided it was OK to expel Jehovah's Witnesses from public school, and two years gave public hints that it had changed its mind.
Sure enough, Jehovah's Witnesses sue again the schools on the same grounds as 1940, lost at the trial and appeal levels, but prevailed at the highest level; in 1943, the US Supreme Court reversed itself: Jehovah's Witnesses could not be expelled from public schools.
Pretty fat brush your painting with ain't it?
Pretty fat brush your painting with ain't it?
That's tame in comparison to the names used to describe Muslims fundamentalists on this forum.
Now now you tell me that you object to the term 'wacko' in reference to members of the religious fringe, I see your point.
I will try to avoid such terms in the future.
You completely missed the point: Sandra Keller AKA Sultaana Freeman has no stated or even implied religious objection to being photographed, just to having her face show. Those previously granted the right to drive without photo ID have had to prove a consistently held and applied religious conviction against all photographic depiction.
It is like men applying for CO status during wartime. If they showed religious conviction against all war participation, they were granted CO. If it was adjudicated that they were just trying to get out of, say, the Vietnam War, that was another matter.
In the near future coed public schools will be under attack, the mixing of men and women in public forums and children's stories such as "The Three Little Pigs" will no longer be able to be taught to children because the pig is considered an offensive animal to Muslims. The story of Santa Claus and Christmas will no longer be allowed to be taught in schools. The Easter Bunny and Easter egg hunts will become a thing of the past.
Schools, shopping centres and public venues will be prohibited from putting up decorations or displays for Christmas, Easter, Halloween or even Thanksgiving for fear of offending the Muslims.
The time is coming soon when ALL meat products sold with have to be labeled "halal". Large fast food chains and grocery stores will sell and use only "halal" products. The justification presented will be cost controls. McDonalds and KFC will not wish to carry two different types of chicken and/or beef. One "halal" and one non halal. It is a simple business decision.
People will no longer be able to eat, drink or smoke in public places during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan because this as well is offensive to Muslims.
Over time people will discover an entire plethora of things that are deemed offensive to Muslims and each of these will be systematically purged from our society.
After watching some of the trial today, it seems that the trial judge might agree with you 100%.
From my point of view, however, your argument can be summarized as a distinction without a difference.
The conscientious objector example you present actually can be used to support this Muslim woman.
There are conscientious objectors who do not refuse military training, but will not shoot enemy troops unless they are shot first.As you can see, many COs do not refuse all military service; and even among the ones who refuse all military service, there are differences among them.There are conscientious objectors who refuse military training but have no qualms about serving in combat as chaplains or as medical technicians.
There are conscientious objectors who will refuse military training but will serve in a military unit in supportive roles away from combat front lines.
There are conscientious objectors who will refuse to serve in any role in the military but will do alternative service in civilian hospitals or other civilian facilities that might tend military casualties.
Finally, there are conscientious objects who will refuse any military service as well as any other alternative civilian service in lieu of military service.
Therefore, they are religious fundamentalists that have several degrees of objections to photographs, from no picture at all, to picture with veiled face, to picture with veiled hair only, to picture with a religious hat (kufi or yarmulke)
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