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Need for concealed carry is no joke
This Week | Wednesday, May 21, 2003 | Michael J. Maurer

Posted on 05/23/2003 6:34:01 PM PDT by FreedomCalls

Justice Paul Pfeifer got a chuckle out of a packed gallery during April's oral arguments in the Ohio Supreme Court case, Klein and Feely v. Leis. The case will decide whether Ohioans have a constitutional right to carry concealed weapons.

"It's just socially unacceptable today," Pfeifer told the gun-carrying-plaintiff's hapless attorney. "If you walk down the street like some cowboy with a couple of pearl-handled six-shooters, the cops would be getting calls saying, 'There's some nut walking around with a gun.'"

Everyone laughed.

I'm reminded of a good friend, a comedian and a lawyer (he's been paid for both), who spent most of law school directing the annual law school show. Nothing made him angrier than an amateur performer who would get a laugh by walking onstage and then go off script to utter a simple curse word, or a bit of scatology.

Sure, it gets the laugh - at least the first time. But it takes the audience out of the show that everyone has worked so hard to craft into a coherent whole and risks ruining much better themes.

Pfeifer wasn't the worst offender, though. The plaintiff's attorney, whose job it was to persuade the public and the court that concealed carry is a rational, constitutional policy, also got into the laugh act.

No sooner had he started a hypothetical meant to demonstrate the reasonableness of his position, saying, "If I were carrying right now," than he jumped out of character, waved his open palms at the court, and said, "I'm not, I'm not."

It got the laugh, too, right on cue, but it utterly undermined the point he was trying to make: Carrying a concealed weapon is a temperate, honorable thing to do, something reasonable people ought not fear.

It's too bad the attorney didn't have the wherewithal to respond instead to Pfeifer's joke with the image of 20-year-old Shauna Sandercock, owner of a Hilltop video game store. Almost exactly a year before the arguments, she was raped and then beaten to death by a 21-year-old former football player.

Or perhaps the attorney could have responded to Pfeifer's joke with the story of two other women store owners, both of whom were abducted, raped and robbed in March from their stores on High Street in Clintonville and Worthington.

Perhaps Pfeifer was already thinking of these women, because his funny cowboy hypothetical can be interpreted in a conservative, strong gun-rights way.

In the past, whether 1923, or 1853 or 1833 or before, few people would bat an eye at the site of someone carrying a gun. In such a culture, where one can carry openly without ridicule, it makes sense to be suspicious of someone who hides a gun.

After all, anyone who can carry openly without shame or risk might well have nefarious purpose in mind if they go to the trouble of carrying concealed.

But Justice Pfeifer is right. Many people, perhaps even most, no longer think this way. As Pfeifer put it to to the plaintiff's attorney, anyone who carries openly today has to ask themselves, "Wouldn't you be deemed a bit of a kook by your friends and neighbors?"

In other words, while the prudent man of 80 years ago very well could carry openly, the prudent man-or store-owning woman-of today is probably going to choose to carry concealed.

In legal circles this is known as an evolving-community-standards argument. Intellectually and legally, it's a pretty iffy method, but it's used all the time, in cruel and unusual punishment cases, for example, or censorship of pornography.

Still, it provides judges with great flexibility, something that ought to appeal to Paul "The law is a gap and I'm here to fill it" Pfeifer.

Unfortunately, one suspects Pfeifer will use the evolving-standards argument, sure enough, but he'll use it to read gun rights right out of the Constitution. The literal interpretation of Pfeifer's remarks is the standard, anti-gun view: Anyone who wants to carry must be a kook.

After all, all you have to do is look at a person who wants to carry to know they're dangerous. If he happens to be an overweight white guy in a dead-end job, he might well support the Aryan Nations. If he's a young black guy, he's probably a gang-banger.

At least, that's how the state of Ohio seems to perceive the matter, since it presumes plaintiff Pat Feely, a pizza delivery driver who chose to carry a gun because of the risk he might be robbed, criminal for the gun alone.

Yet what about those two High Street store owners?

Wouldn't it have been better for their attacker - who, by the way, was armed only with a knife and force of will - have had just a little more doubt, to know that society supported these women's rights to carry a gun?

The anti-gunners see only the risk that these two raped, robbed women and the dead Sandercock, and everyone they represent, will be incompetent, or make the wrong choice, and kill the wrong person.

But many of us hold a different belief. We believe that members of a free populace ought to make such a choice, whether to bear arms, individually, answerable only to the individual's own conscience and sense of responsibility, and we believe the Constitution says so. And, if things go wrong, and innocents are injured or killed as a result, then those of us who decide to carry must answer to a responsible law, God and ourselves.

And to be sure, innocents will die if people bear arms - just as innocents will die if people don't. We who support gun rights understand that; it's just that we don't ignore half of the equation or even assume that it can boil down to a question of horrific algebra, a calculus of "your innocent deaths exceed my innocent deaths, so I win."

If that makes us all "a bit of a kook," well, perhaps it does. Yet, Justice Pfeifer should know, a good many of us think those who would deny gun rights are a bit of a kook for believing otherwise.

Mike Maurer is a staff writer for ThisWeek.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; concealedcarry; guns; handguns
Good article.
1 posted on 05/23/2003 6:34:01 PM PDT by FreedomCalls
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2 posted on 05/23/2003 6:36:50 PM PDT by Mulder (Live Free or die)
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To: FreedomCalls
My (yellow-dog-democrat) uncle (who does NOT carry a gun) once told me that I was performing a public service by packing (with license) heat.

"When they go to the mall to rob someone, they don't know if it is you and your gun or someone else. It tends to make them back off."

3 posted on 05/23/2003 6:41:01 PM PDT by LibKill (MOAB, the greatest advance in Foreign Relations since the cat-o'-nine-tails!)
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To: Mulder
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4 posted on 05/24/2003 4:50:40 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: FreedomCalls
28-OCT-2003 UPDATE

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From the Archives, this is an interesting Article to re-read now that Justice Pfeifer has used "OPEN CARRY" as his defense for declaring the ban on Concealed Carry as being not an unconstitutional act.

==> OHIO CARRY RULES! <==

What he has succeeded in doing is to get Law Abiding Citizens to accept his words as a true statement of the Law in Ohio and to begin OPEN CARRY of Firearms for their Safety and Security and for that of their Families.

The Rules of "Ohio Carry" are not perfect, but they are relatively simple:

1) When outside of your Automobile or other Motor Vehicle, CARRY OPENLY in Holsters which are not covered by jackets or coats. Alternately, a Holster on a Long enough Belt to put it on Over the Coat.

A third option is currently being explored, namely the use of Special Bags with Clear Plastic outer pouches (like Map Pockets on Motorcycle Tank Bags) so that the Firearm is openly visible to the casual observer.

2) When traveling by motor vehicle, place the UN-Loaded Firearm and the Ammunition or Magazine in separate pockets of the Tank Bag or other Carry Bag which can then be placed securely in the TRUNK of the Automobile.

The benefits of "OHIO CARRY" are great since you no longer have to be concerned about having a car problem as you drive through Cincinnati or Cleveland or Columbus or any of our High Crime Cities. As soon as you exit the Car, laod the firearm and place it in your OPEN CARRY holster. In time, Justice Pfeiffer will realize that his Words in the Klein v. Leis Supreme Court Decision of 25-SEPT-2003 changed the public attitude toward openly carrying Firearms in Ohio.

When leaving the State, simply follow the CCW Laws of the State which you are entering, using the Non Resident CCW license which can be obtained from Florida or Pennsylvania or perhaps many other states.

OHIO CARRY RULES!

RamS
5 posted on 10/28/2003 10:23:16 AM PST by RamingtonStall (Ride Hard and far! ..... and with GPS, Know where you are!)
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To: RamingtonStall
It's about time that Ohio catches up with the other 45 States which have approved Concealed Carry.

In the meantime, Ohio Supreme Court Justice Pfeifer has done for Ohio what was done for VERMONT early in the 20th Century when their Supreme Court established VERMONT CARRY as the law of the State.

Under Vermont Carry, no license or training or fees or finger printing are required. Based on their Supreme Court Ruling, Anybody can carry a concealed Firearm in the State as long as they are not intending to commit a crime with the firearm. If they do commit a crime, then they are also going to be charged with violating the law by merely carrying a firearm for an unlawful purepose.



The key difference in Ohio is that we have to CARRY OPENLY.

Cool! ([:^ )

OHIO CARRY RULES!

RamS
6 posted on 10/28/2003 10:33:21 AM PST by RamingtonStall (Ride Hard and far! ..... and with GPS, Know where you are!)
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To: RamingtonStall
Bump
7 posted on 10/28/2003 10:36:20 AM PST by RamingtonStall (Ride Hard and far! ..... and with GPS, Know where you are!)
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