Hitler Movie Review. Plus Comparisons of Today.

CBS Documentary.

[kinghorse]

Fuehrer and Aryan are Indian ideas. Fuehrer is still a popular name in India.

[familyofman]

"The term "Terrorist" was mentioned by Hitler twice in the film erroneously. The term was not coined until decades later."
In today's world and the US, I don't think many people would understand the communist threat (which is historically accurate) as oppossed to all viewers knowing that the word terrorist relates to a threat. The producers used a bit of "poetic licsence", but it may have been for clarity - not political potshots at anyone current.

[RobbyS]

Roehm's homosexuality was already well known. The actor who played him, BTW, looks nothing like Roehm.

[OREALLY]

CNN website entertainment section has review of movie Hitler Rise of Evil. Associated Press Frazier Moore.
I would post but do not know how and can't type. I am new here at Free Republic.
The review is unreal. Part of Frazier Moore's "propaganda" was that Hitler siezed control through social turmoil and a "rabid blend of nationalism " ( or patriotism )
These are the very same words that Danny Glover just spewed!
The liberal's are using Hitler's strategy to accuse the enemy of what they are doing themselves.

[lone star annie]

The producer of the movie would want to rethink that scene I am sure if he could see the parallel between that and the walk-out of the TEXAS RATS. I thought the very same thing when the Nazis in the minority walked out.

The Nazis remind me of the some of the politicians now in office--if they can't get their way they obstruct and cause mischief.

I thought Robert Carlyle was great as Hitler. Being in the psych business, he portrayed Hitler amazingly well. Hitler was smooth and convincing not autocratic. His anger came out in mood swings rather than direct communication. Hitler overused his authority which is found in a personality temperament that has internal conflict between recognition and fear.

[ohioman]

If you actually believe that the film makers were not taking a potshot at Bush by having Hitler use the word terrorist, then you must believe that I can get you a good price on the Brooklyn Bridge.

[ggekko]

The historical fact is that a large number of top-ranking SS officers were practicing homosexuals. The homosexual ethos was promoted in the SS as a way of of creating "Aryan warriros". Hitler was aware of and apparently approved of this culture within the SS.

The homosexuals sent to the concentration camps were all considered to be political enemies of the Reich by the Nazis. Homosexual activists have cleverly represented this history in such a way as to support their current political agenda.

[My2Cents]

Didn't watch it (I get enough of Hitler watching the History Channel), but I suspect the intent of the screenwriter, director, and producer of this Hitler series on CBS was to imply that Hitler started out using the same rhetoric and tactics as George W. Bush and John Ashcroft. I'm sure it was meant not as entertainment, nor as a docu-drama, but as anti-conservative propoganda.

[Symix]

This discussion is too politically oriented - many try to find a Bush-Hitler line to pounce on.

Let's step back and talk about the movie itself - it was masterfully made, beautiful to watch, excellent casting.
At no time it praised Hitler - in fact the title itself (The rise of evil) set the tone - from a monster child to a monster adult.

Comparing to all these s/f phantasies we have been fed for years this movie was a return to the masterpieces of the older days.

[JIM O]

This scene actually concerned me. Hitler was an unattractive, unkept sweaty racist, with no people skills. Yet he was able to build a following of not just people forced to go along but free thinking semi intelligent men, that like Hitler turned out to be racist animals.

[familyofman]

"If you actually believe that the film makers were not taking a potshot at Bush by having Hitler use the word terrorist, then you must believe that I can get you a good price on the Brooklyn Bridge."
Hey ohio - keep the bridge. Where does it state in TV land, or any other place, that a theatriclal production about historical people/events needs to be 100% accurate as to every word/phrase? I'm sure if you review any "artistic" representation of history you will find items that have been; changed for impact, deleted, added, made up (think Titanic dialogue). The best historical account of Hitler , to my knowledge, is the book "Rise & Fall of the Third Reich" - just for fun & a chance to bid on the Tri-Borough Bridge - name the first 2 Reich's.

[montag813]

The homosexuals sent to the concentration camps were all considered to be political enemies of the Reich by the Nazis. Homosexual activists have cleverly represented this history in such a way as to support their current political agenda.

I have mentioned most of this in previous posts. Yes, the propaganda value to homosexual activists has been large, despite the fact that they were far more perpetrators of Nazi crimes than its victims.

[neither-nor]

Fuehrer and Aryan are Indian ideas. Fuehrer is still a popular name in India. Um, not completely so. Aryan is a term given to a race that migrated to India from outside ( historians still debate the source). The Aryan race is believed to have moved to many other parts of the world. I live in India and to my knowledge the term 'Fuehrer' isn't a popular name at all. In fact it isn't known.

[Symix]

You are right - a movie is always a creation - it can not possibly be a 100% historically accurate - even if the threads' author called it "documentary" - it was not.

They say it takes at least 50 years to depict history unbiasly - as such the movie felt really good.

[ohioman]

I understand that. But the makers behind this film even admitted that they believed that there is a paralell between Bush and Hitler. Why do think they used the word terrorist? After their admission, to believe otherwise is simply foolish.

[longtermmemmory]

from the pink swastika on the origins of Nazi's
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At the door of the Bratwurstgloeckl, a tavern frequented by homosexual roughnecks and bully-boys, Roehm turned in and joined the handful of sexual deviants and occultists who were celebrating the success of a new campaign of terror. Their organization, once known as the German Worker's Party, was now called the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, The National Socialist German Worker's Party -- the Nazis.

Yes, the Nazis met in a ``gay'' bar.

It was no coincidence that homosexuals were among those who founded the Nazi Party. In fact, the party grew out of a number of groups in Germany which were centers of homosexual activity and activism. Many of the characteristic rituals, symbols, activities and philosophies we associate with Nazism came from these organizations or from contemporary homosexuals. The extended-arm ``Sieg Heil'' salute, for example, was a ritual of the Wandervoegel (``Wandering Birds'' or ``Rovers''), a male youth society which became the German equivalent of the Boy Scouts. The Wandervoegel was started in the late 1800's by a group of homosexual teenagers. Its first adult leader, Karl Fischer, called himself ``der Fuehrer'' (``the Leader'') (Koch:25f). Hans Blueher, a homosexual Nazi philosopher and important early member of the Wandervoegel, incited a sensation in 1912 with publication of The German Wandervoegel Movement as an Erotic Phenomenon, which told how the movement had become one in which young boys could be introduced into the homosexual lifestyle (Rector:39f). The Wandervoegel and other youth organizations were later merged into the Hitler Youth (which itself became known among the populace as the ``Homo Youth'' because of rampant homosexuality. - Rector:52).
Many of the Nazi emblems, such as the swastika, the double lightning bolt ``SS'' symbol, and even the inverted triangle symbol used to identify classes of prisoners in the concentration camps, originated among homosexual occultists in Germany (some, such as the swastika, are actually quite ancient symbols which were merely revived by these homosexual groups). In 1907, Jorg Lanz Von Liebenfels, a former Cistercian monk whom the church excommunicated because of his homosexual activities (Sklar:19), flew the swastika flag above his castle in Austria (Goodrick-Clarke:109). After his expulsion from the church Lanz founded the Ordo Novi Templi (``Order of the New Temple'') which merged occultism with violent anti-Semitism. A 1958 study of Lanz, Der Mann der Hitler die Ideen gab (``The Man Who Gave Hitler His Ideas''), by Austrian psychologist Wilhelm Daim, called Lanz the true ``father'' of National Socialism.

[Argus]

The term "Terrorist" was mentioned by Hitler twice in the film erroneously. The term was not coined until decades later

Actually the term "terrorist" did have currency during the 1930's, at least in Russian. "Terrorism" was one of the charges available under Stalin's notorious Article 58 of the Soviet criminal code, the catch-all statute by which millions were dispatched to the Gulag.

[longtermmemmory]

but did HITLER use the word at that speech on that day? no. Its only in the CBS version.

[Cathryn Crawford]

"...creepy, cold..."

Yes. But sadly, he made the choice to live that way. There are some people who weigh the power and the price and the price is worth it.

Actually, I think everyone in the world does this everyday: makes a decision on how to live, what priorities to put first, whether or not they want to have close relationships or if they want to be ultimately powerful. Hitler was not, in my opinion, crazed. He simply made his decision.

[Argus]

You're right. But we shouldn't be shocked at the producers' attempt to make their Hitler movie "relevant" by doctoring the dialog for easy parallels to the current US administration. Liberal dogma demands no less.