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Iraqi troops say U.S. owes them back pay:
Bitter soldiers threaten attacks on American forces
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| 18 may 2003
| Finalapproach29er
Posted on 05/18/2003 3:09:50 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er
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Irony. Paying Conquered and liberated soldiers. Something new to worry about.
To: Finalapproach29er
See what happens when we fight a war as nice guys?
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posted on
05/18/2003 3:15:17 AM PDT
by
R. Scott
To: R. Scott
I hope Ambassador Bremer knows how to handle this- and soon. We don't ned any sabotage against our troops.
They need more swimming pools over there; everybody is always angry.
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posted on
05/18/2003 3:23:58 AM PDT
by
Finalapproach29er
("Don't shoot Mongo, you'll only make him mad.")
To: Finalapproach29er
" "But now, there's nothing between me and the U.S. soldiers on the street. Their technology won't stop me from killing them.""
oh....... that was not a good thing to say. Maybe it's time to reload and fight a second battle against the Iraqi Army that wouldn't fight before...... then they can "surrender" on our terms, and become meaningfu citizens rather than bitching. They were never in trouble before because they belonged to the military...... and the military belonged to the baath party........ which we have just announced no longer exists.
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posted on
05/18/2003 3:52:02 AM PDT
by
bart99
To: Finalapproach29er
What a crock. Pay 'em with dinars! Ha! Worthless money for worthless idiots.
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posted on
05/18/2003 4:05:54 AM PDT
by
stboz
To: R. Scott
See what happens when we fight a war as nice guys?That's always bothered me regarding our new, apparent, military morality. Winning wars used to be about crushing and killing opposing armies. When you crush them but do not kill them, then they're alive and still in place to kill YOU again.
It's not that I'm a blood-thirsty sort, and true, perhaps 80% of Sadam's Armed forces and related agencies were good "Joes", just conscripts trying to stay alive, but the policy bespeaks a philosophy of secular humanism, i.e. all men would behave in a good and decent manner just like us given the chance.
This country was not built upon secular humanism, but upon a sane, calculated (and, by the way, Judeo-Christian) expectation than men are basically evil in nature, and that you can't trust 'em any farther than you can throw 'em. That's why we have so many "checks and balances" on our government, i.e. because our founding fathers thoroughly understood the base nature of man.
So, we have a bunch of guys in Iraq still carrying arms and rank engignia's on their collars, making demands upon their conquerors? They clearly have little respect for us. The believe we can be easily intimidated! This is dangerous.
On the other hand, how did this Iraqi officer manage to stay alive during his "valiant", dedicated defense of his country? Maybe he should be fired for incompetence, and given 100 dinars severence.
FReegards .. SFS
To: Steel and Fire and Stone
I see this as a good sign............Lawyers have infiltrated Iraqi society........can self destruction be far behind?
To: Finalapproach29er
U.S. officials said they will not pay past or current salaries of the former army, secret police and presidential guard. The move essentially disbands those forces -- but does not provide any formal means of disarming the ex-combatants. Kill two birds with one stone. Use the money that Saddam had stowed away in bank vaults to pay back wages to the military only when each man turns in his weapon(s).
Did we really win the war? All I've heard is that major military action has ceased.
Has any Iraqi representing the government accepted terms of surrender or capitulation?
Has any military leader speaking for the armed forces of Iraq surrendered and called for laying down of arms?
We have declared victory but the enemy has not accepted defeat. The Iraqi army was not "defeated", it just melted away and is reforming as a guerilla force.
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posted on
05/18/2003 5:29:55 AM PDT
by
varon
To: Finalapproach29er
Well of course they deserve their back pay, but they're knocking at the wrong door. I believe Oday (or the other pig latin brother) has their pay stashed in some tractor trailers. Find Oday and he'll be more than happy to reward them for their valiant service.
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posted on
05/18/2003 5:44:22 AM PDT
by
mtbopfuyn
To: Finalapproach29er
Ok, let's see. They were fighting against us. We beat the snot out of them. We are supposed to pay them? Hey guys, you joined the wrong army! You should have joined one that wins wars!
MARK A SITY
http://www.logic101.net/
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posted on
05/18/2003 5:54:16 AM PDT
by
logic101.net
(Support OUR Troops; Not Saddam's!)
To: logic101.net
Biter soldiers attack US forces. They are mowed down to the last man. No back pay needed.
The benifit? Iraqis learn a valuable lesson. Don'e attack US forces. Its the two by four approach, Stupid people need to be whacked a few times before they learn.
Sure guys, bring it on...
To: varon
Has any Iraqi representing the government accepted terms of surrender or capitulation? No but they are either dead or in hiding which makes it kind of hard to do either.
Has any military leader speaking for the armed forces of Iraq surrendered and called for laying down of arms?
See above. They are one and the same.
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posted on
05/18/2003 7:24:40 AM PDT
by
Harmless Teddy Bear
(There is nothing you can do with that computer that I can’t do with my little pad and pen. –My Dad)
To: R. Scott
"See what happens when we fight a war as nice guys?
I thought of this when we were being so careful with the bombing. It was gonna be natural for the Iraqis to say, "Hmmm, the Americans aren't that tough". Human nature is the same in all cultures.
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posted on
05/18/2003 7:48:02 AM PDT
by
Let's Roll
(And those that cried Appease! Appease! are hanged by those they tried to please!")
To: Steel and Fire and Stone
Army..."We kill & break things, not deliver Pizza" in essence...Rush Limbaugh
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posted on
05/18/2003 8:01:11 AM PDT
by
skinkinthegrass
(Just because your paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
To: Finalapproach29er
They need to find Saddam and collect for themselves.
To: Harmless Teddy Bear
No but they are either dead or in hiding which makes it kind of hard to do either.You've made my point. No one from the previous Iraqi government nor military, to best of my knowledge, has announced to the military and the people that the war is over, Iraq has surrendered, lay down your arms and obey the occupying forces and the new Iraqi interim government.
True, they are liberated from a vile dictatorship but a vacuum has been created without any authority to replace it and as a consequence irt isn't the military or a civilian body but CHAOS that rules.
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posted on
05/18/2003 8:45:00 AM PDT
by
varon
To: varon
True, they are liberated from a vile dictatorship but a vacuum has been created without any authority to replace it and as a consequence irt isn't the military or a civilian body but CHAOS that rules. Which is why we have already started to make some order out of this chaos by making moves to get an Iraqi government in place, (hmm wonder if their first official act will be to surrender?)
This is completely new territory, always before the government of a country was not targeted but the country itself. Now the government is the main target, which leaves, as you point out, no one with the authority to surrender the entire country.
However, those who are left have surrendered as much as they have power over, whether it is a division or a city or a region. So while the central government is gone, the local remains and has indeed surrendered.
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posted on
05/18/2003 9:02:31 AM PDT
by
Harmless Teddy Bear
(There is nothing you can do with that computer that I can’t do with my little pad and pen. –My Dad)
To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Iraqi Maj. Gen. Muhammed Thumayla, commander, Iraq's Western District, reviews the articles of capitulation while Col. Curtis D. Potts, commander, 4th Brigade, explains the surrender to him through an interpreter. Photo by Spc. Dan Wiltshire.
Col. Curtis D. Potts, commander, 4th Brigade, salutes Maj. Gen. Muhammed Thumayla following the general's surrender to coalition forces Tuesday. Photo by Spc. Dan Wiltshire.
To: Finalapproach29er
"But now, there's nothing between me and the U.S. soldiers on the street. Their technology won't stop me from killing them." Under the Rules of War, this man has just declared himself an unlawful combatant.
Have him dissapear to GITMO for several years and make an example out of him.
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posted on
05/18/2003 9:17:11 AM PDT
by
Polybius
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