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Secretariat.. Super Horse
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Posted on 05/05/2003 4:04:34 PM PDT by Nitro

It is Secretariat.....

the finest beast that ever lived...

see it you won't be disappointed!!


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The first Triple Crown since 1948 was won in 1973 and the Belmont was won by 31 lengths....A bigger record than Tiger going away with 12 stokes at Atlanta.
1 posted on 05/05/2003 4:04:35 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Nitro
I think I read somewhere that Secretariat had an unusually large lung capacity for a horse. This is akin to Lance Amstrong's physiology.
2 posted on 05/05/2003 4:11:40 PM PDT by randita
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It's not so much athletics, discipline, honor, or anything else--it's just freakish biology.
3 posted on 05/05/2003 4:12:40 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Nitro
Yep, in 2:24 - that's 12 seconds a furlong for 1.5 miles.

It was amazing.

4 posted on 05/05/2003 4:15:11 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds
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To: randita
You read the right somewhere...

but it was his heart, it was 2 and a half times bigger than any others!

5 posted on 05/05/2003 4:16:05 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: xm177e2
This horse knew what he was doing!
6 posted on 05/05/2003 4:16:50 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Nitro
I live outside of Baltimore, and moved here in 1972. I am one of those "watch-the-three-races-a-year" person, although I live in an area filled with horse farms.

Anyway, I remember Secretariat's exciting run for the triple crown - I've never seen anything like it. He broke the KY Derby record, almost broke the Preakness record, and that run in Belmont was the most fantastic and exciting thing to see. I am glad I experienced it.

Horse purists look at Seattle Slew as the better horse, but to me it will always be Secretariat. Fabulous champion.

8 posted on 05/05/2003 4:18:43 PM PDT by gramho12 (God bless our troops)
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To: suntsu
Actually, he never made another Supre Horse or we would be talking about him.

He did produce though several very successful brood mares.

9 posted on 05/05/2003 4:21:00 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Nitro
Great horse..and I hope to see you on May 17th : )
10 posted on 05/05/2003 4:21:48 PM PDT by alisasny
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To: Nitro
The first Triple Crown since 1948 was won in 1973 and the Belmont was won by 31 lengths....

The Belmont is the race everyone remembers. And with good cause because he won it in such spectacular fashion. But the one I remember is the Preakness.

Secretariat came from dead last going into the home stretch, ran through traffic and won the race by six lengths, going away. Greatest stretch run I've ever seen.

You're right. There will never be another. . .

11 posted on 05/05/2003 4:22:34 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum
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To: Nitro

Secretariat was the greatest colt ever. Here's the greatest filly ever (from Forbes.com)




Ruffian
Ruffian, owned and bred by Stuart and Barbara Janney, was foaled on April 17, 1972, at Claiborne Farm in Paris, Kentucky. The Janney's were truly horsepeople. An amateur steeplechase rider, Stuart Janney had won the famed Maryland Hunt Cup four times, and Mrs. Janney was a daughter of Gladys Phipps, one of the top thoroughbred breeders in America until her death in October of 1970, at the age of 87.

In 1971 the Janney's elected to breed their stakes placed Native Dancer mare Shenanigans to Ogden Phipps' stallion Reviewer, a son of Bold Ruler who had won nine of his thirteen starts, including the Sapling Stakes, the Saratoga Special, the Swift Stakes, the Bay Shore Stakes, the Roseben Handicap, and the Nassau County Stakes. Reviewer had also run second in the Hopeful Stakes, earning a total of $247,223 in a career interrupted twice by injury. In 1971 he was standing his first season at stud, while Bold Ruler was standing his last.

In the fall of her yearling year, the dark bay Shenanigans filly was introduced to a saddle and bridle by Nick Lotz, assisted by groom Donnie Bussell, in her stall at Raceland, Claiborne's weanling facility, before being sent to Xalapa Farms, which Claiborne had leased as a training facility. Here Nick Lotz, who had also broke her half-brother Icecapade, taught her the basics of living life as a racehorse. On November 16, 1973, Ruffian left Claiborne to begin her racing career. Only three days before, Secretariat had arrived on the farm, amidst much fanfare, to begin his stud career.

When Ruffian arrived at the Marion duPont Scott Training Center in Camden, South Carolina, where trainer Frank Whiteley wintered his horses each year, she instantly stood out among the other yearlings arriving from Claiborne, being exceptionally big for her age. The filly was put under the care of groom Minnor Massey, and her exercise riders included Squeaky Truesdale, Jackie Peacock, and Ric Martin. No one at the training facility knew the filly's name, for it was policy in Frank Whiteley's barn to not reveal the names of two-year-olds until they had made their first start, and she was nicknamed Sofie by her riders, who found the big filly as comfortable to sit on as a sofa.

That April, Whiteley's stable arrived at Belmont Park to begin the 1974 racing season. For her first work at Belmont Park, Ruffian was ridden by Yates Kennedy, who doubted Whiteley when the trainer offered to put him on "the fastest horse you've ever been on." Told to breeze three furlongs in :38, Yates went :35 4/5, fooled by his mount's smooth stride and lack of effort. When jockey Jacinto Vasquez rode the filly for the first time, breaking her from the gate and going a half in :47, he was also surprised by the fast time.

Ruffian made her first start on May 22, 1974, in a five and a half furlong Maiden Special at Belmont Park. Thanks to the efforts of Frank Whiteley, her talent had been successfully kept a secret, and Ruffian went off at odds of 9 to 2, allowing Whiteley's stable hands to make a profit on the race. Under the guidance of Jacinto Vasquez, she quickly went to the front, easily extended her lead to fifteen lengths, and tied the track record of 1:03. Ruffian's impressive debut was later called the "greatest race ever run by a first-time starter" (Claflin 51).

Copernica, a bay daughter of Nijinsky II trained by Mack Miller, had wired a field of maidens on May 15, and had then proved her ability to win from off the lead, despite being blind in the left eye, in a five length victory on June 3. Her pedigree and past performances should have combined to make Copernica the favorite for the Fashion Stakes on June 12, but the crowd sent Ruffian off as first choice. Also in the field was the unbeaten Jan Verzal, who unlike Ruffian and Copernica was already a stakes winner, and three other fillies. As in her maiden race, Ruffian gained the lead in the first few strides, and easily held off Copernica's game challenge. Winning by six and three quarter lengths, Ruffian once again tied the track record. Copernica, finishing second, was thirteen lengths ahead of the rest of the field, and gave everything she had to the race. Sadly, the brave little filly wasn't the same horse after the Fashion Stakes. Ruffian had broken her heart.

Laughing Bridge was the next filly to challenge Ruffian, in the Astoria Stakes at Aqueduct. Jacinto Vasquez was serving a suspension for reckless riding, and Vince Bracciale had the mount on Ruffian. For the first time, Ruffian was accompanied to post by Sled Dog, the pony horse, and to the amazement of Bracciale it was Vasquez who led him to the post. Trainer Frank Whiteley had told Jacinto that he would lose the mount on Ruffian if he didn't ride the stable pony, and the crowd enjoyed the novelty of seeing one of the country's leading riders playing the role of pony boy. The race itself held fewer surprises. Ruffian easily won by nine lengths, under wraps, in 1:02 4/5. Braulio Baeza later commented "I could have cut through the center field, and she still would have beaten me." His mount, Laughing Bridge, beat the rest of the field by twelve lengths, but could not hold a candle to Ruffian.

The Sorority Stakes at Monmouth held Ruffian's toughest challenge yet. Hot n Nasty was a bay filly by Reflected Glory who had a record as impressive as Ruffian's. Racing on the west coast, she had broken her maiden by 13 lengths and scored two stakes wins, in the Schuylkill and the Hollywood Lassie, with good times. Owner Dan Lasater, founder of the Ponderosa franchise, believed the fillies were equal on paper, and expected his entry to come out of the Sorority Stakes as she went into it; undefeated. Jacinto Vasquez rode Ruffian in the Sorority in spite of a broken nose and slightlyblurred vision. Fearing he would lose the mount on the young star, he had kept his optical difficulties to himself, vowing to see a doctor if his sight was not clear after the big race.

Hot n Nasty proved her talent, making her move after the first quarter and becoming the first horse to head Ruffian, even sticking with her for a furlong before Ruffian dug in and pulled away. Vasquez felt something not quite right with his mount, even as she pulled away from Hot n Nasty to set a new stakes record of 1:09. Back at the barn, he discovered his filly had won the race on a freshly popped splint, which, although not a serious injury, was enough to take the edge off a horse. Ruffian had proved she had heart.

After a month of rest, Ruffian was shipped to Saratoga for the Spinaway Stakes. As she was being unloaded, a reporter asked groom Minnor Massey by how much his filly would win the Spinaway. Without thinking, Massey gave an answer of thirteen lengths, then worried that his rash statement would make him appear foolish. By recording a bullet work (best work of the day as reported by the Daily Racing Form) of five furlongs in :59 1/5, the filly prompted rumors that she was sore. Had any other horse turned in a time of :59 1/5, the clockers would have been impressed. But for Ruffian, the work was not spectacular enough. Suspended again, Jacinto Vazquez missed both the mount on Foolish Pleasure in the Hopeful Stakes and the ride on Ruffian in the Spinaway. Vince Bracciale was once again up on the Superfilly, as fans had taken to calling her, and fighting for her head, Ruffian lead wire to wire to set a new stakes record of 1:08 3/5. It was the second fastest six furlongs of the entire Saratoga meet, with the fastest being La Prevoyante's 1:08 2/5, and the margin of victory was exactly thirteen lengths.

The next two races planned for Ruffian were the Frizette Stakes, worth $100,000, and the Champagne Stakes, in which she would face the colts, including the unbeaten Foolish Pleasure. But on the morning of the Frizette, the filly left grain in her tub. Frank Whiteley immediately took her temperature, and scratched the filly with a fever of 101.6, 1.1 degrees above the average equine temperature. Shortly thereafter, a hairline fracture was discovered in her right hind pastern, ending the season. Eight weeks of stall rest were ordered, and after the filly rejected a hard cast, she wore a soft pillow cast to prevent further injury.

Ruffian, along with the rest of Whiteley's barn, returned to South Carolina for the winter. Dan Williams became her new groom when Minnor quit to spend more time with his family, and once she had served out her eight weeks, Ruffian was hand walked for exercise. In November, the editor of The Blood-Horse, not believing that Frank Whiteley had been quoted accurately when it was written that Ruffian was "the best horse he had ever trained," traveled to South Carolina to look into the validity of the statements himself. Whiteley, usually very guarded when evaluating his horses, not only verified the quotes, but added one more. The two-year-old filly, who had only started five times in her career, was the best horse he had ever seen.

At the end of January, Frank Whiteley flew to San Francisco to collect Ruffian's Eclipse Award for Best Two Year Old Filly. Each time Ruffian had ran, she not only won, but led from wire to wire, setting a new stakes record each time and always running well within herself. Had she been able to complete the season, many believed the filly may have beaten out Forego for Horse of the Year honors.

Ruffian returned to Belmont Park in April. Frank Whiteley made Squeaky Truesdale her regular rider in routine gallops, while the lighter Yates Kennedy was responsible for breezing the filly. Ruffian was more aggressive in her morning gallops than she had been at two, and only Squeaky could keep the filly relaxed at an easy gallop. He allowed her to drop her head, challenging him to take the bit away from her, until her head was almost between her knees. Squeaky was teased for putting his mount to sleep on the track, but had he picked up her head, she would have taken the bit in her teeth and bolted, chancing an injury.

On Sunday, April 13, Yates Kennedy breezed the filly for the first time that spring, working three furlongs in :33 4/5. The sharp move convinced Whiteley that his charge was prepared to make her season debut, and knowing that the work would not make the Daily Racing Form in time for the next edition, he called the Racing Secretary and casually entered Ruffian in the following day's eighth race.

The other trainers with entries in the eighth race at Belmont probably would not have sent them to post, had they been given time to scratch, but Whiteley had done a masterful job of concealing his plans. Jacinto Vasquez was up on the filly for the first time since the Sorority Stakes, and her increased power impressed the jockey. Also impressive was the fact that even under wraps, she cantered effortlessly to an almost five length win in 1:09 2/5, a fast time for any other horse, although it was Ruffian's only race without setting or equaling a record.

Leaving the Kentucky Derby to Foolish Pleasure, Ruffian made her next start in the Comely Stakes on April 30. Running true to form, Ruffian was on top almost immediately, after a slow break. In the backstretch, Angel Cordero, Jr. took his best shot at beating the star, despite his inferior mount. Riding up behind Ruffian, he let out a shriek, hoping the filly would bolt and run out of steam before the wire. Cordero was successful in startling the filly, and Jacinto had to fight to hold her speed down, but Angel's filly, Aunt Jin, was through by the top of the stretch, and Ruffian not only set a stakes record of 1:21 1/5 for the seven furlongs, but galloped out a mile in 1:35 2/5. In the Comely, Ruffian had also achieved something that not even Secretariat, Kelso, or Citation had accomplished. The filly had created a minus win pool, both at the track and at Off Track Betting. Such universal confidence in a favorite was almost unheard of; occasionally, a top horse would create a minus pool to show, but Ruffian's fans had bet enough money on the filly to win that a minus pool resulted. The track was forced to pay out more money than it had received.


After riding Ruffian in the Comely, Jacinto Vasquez headed for Churchill Downs to make his bid for the roses aboard Foolish Pleasure. Even after winning his first Kentucky Derby, Jacinto was thinking about the filly. A reporter questioned how soon Vasquez would be back to New York, he replied he'd be at the barn early on Monday morning. Confused, the reporter asked which barn he meant. "What barn? Mr. Whiteley's barn! I don't never like to stay too far away from Ruffian.!"

The next goal set for Ruffian was the NYRA Filly Triple Crown, which consisted of the Acorn Stakes, the Mother Goose Stakes, and the Coaching Club American Oaks. Chris Evert had taken the series the previous season, as had Dark Mirage in 1968. For the Acorn, Ruffian was more cooperative about being rated in the early stages than she ever had before, even allowing Ron Turcotte and Piece of Luck to stay within a length of her during the first half. Finally, sensing the filly would not tolerate being held back much longer, Vasquez let his mount step up the pace. She bounded away from Turcotte's mount as if the other filly had stopped running and opening up a seven length lead before her rider asked her to ease up again. At the end, she won by eight and a quarter lengths in stakes record time of 1:34 2/5. The real contest in the race had been for second, with the game filly Somethingregal nosing out Gallant Trial, then pulling up lame after the wire with a horseshoe nail in her frog.

The dark filly was a hard horse to rate, and when she ran the slowest early fractions of her life, going in :47 3/5 in the first half of the Mother Goose Stakes, Whiteley and Vasquez were pleased. If the filly learned to relax when on the lead, she would be able to save more speed for the finish. When she challenged colts, like Foolish Pleasure, and later, older horses like Forego, Ruffian would need a strong stretch drive. She set still another stakes record, with a final time of 1:47 4/5, and had she been allowed her head, Riva Ridge would have given up his track record of 1:47.

Frank Whiteley once again gave Jacinto Vasquez instructions to rate the big filly in the Coaching Club American Oaks, and the jockey did as he was told, holding the filly back until Equal Change came up to challenge. She could only get within a length and a half of Ruffian, but gamely gave all she had to her stretch drive, opening up the gap between herself and the rest of the field to nearly nine lengths. Ruffian's margin of victory was three lengths, and her time of 2:27 4/5 tied the race record. Yet except for a final furlong in :11 3/5, Ruffian had not been allowed to run, and even in the last eighth had not run all out. Had she been pushed, many thought she could have broken Secretariat's track record, and there was no doubt of her ability to break the stakes record. Yet record or no record, the Filly Triple Crown belonged to Ruffian, and she had yet to break a sweat. Even after running a mile and a half, the filly was inexhaustible, bucking as she was slowed down after the wire, and playing on the walk back to the barn.

In her ten career starts, Ruffian was not only undefeated, but had led the field at every point in every race. Her combined margins of victory totaled eighty-three lengths. She had also equaled two track records, was the owner of seven stakes records, and had tied an eighth stakes record. It was time to step out of her division and meet the colts.

The New York Racing Association had tentatively planned a "Race of Champions" at the end of June, bringing together the winners of each of the American classics. Yet bringing Foolish Pleasure, Master Derby, and Avatar together for a fourth time seemed pointless. Wrote The Blood-Horse:



"Until these colts are measured against Ruffian, none of them has much of a claim on the title of 3-year-old champion. Right now we do not believe that -even to escape a swarm of Brazil's hybrid African honeybees- any of these could catch up with the Stuart Janneys' big filly."
In response to the pressure, the idea of adding Ruffian to the field was considered, but when Avatar returned to California, and therefore was lost from the field, the four-horse race lost its appeal. Monmouth Park offered a $400,000 purse for a Match Race between Ruffian and Foolish Pleasure. The "Boy-Girl" angle was sure to create a stir. NYRA offered a three-horse race, but LeRoy Jolley objected. Master Derby would have had the definite advantage in such an event. Both Ruffian and Foolish Pleasure were front runners. If they got into a speed dual early, which was all but guaranteed, they would burn each other out, leaving the race to the Preakness winner. In the end, NYRA announced that a mile and a quarter long Match Race, worth $350,000, was to be held on July 6 at Belmont Park.

Jacinto Vasquez was now faced with a dilemma. He had to decide on his mount for the Match. Turning down either trainer would be difficult, and Foolish Pleasure had given him his Kentucky Derby victory. It was Ruffian, however, that Jacinto chose to ride.

Ruffian broke sharply to the left, knocking her shoulder hard against the gate, then leapt after the Derby winner. Within a few strides she was even with the colt, and they flew as a team down the backstretch. Ruffian pushed her nose ahead of the colt's, claiming the time of :22 1/5 at the quarter. They thundered down the backstretch, Ruffian slowly opening her lead to a half length. It was then that the much promoted dream race became a national nightmare.

Jacinto Vasquez heard a pop, and Ruffian stumbled as the colt rushed past. The great filly has broken down. The jockey fought to stop his mount, knowing that if she kept running she would go down. It was a desperate battle to pull up the filly, as she ran on the exposed bone, ripping ligaments. By the time her rider was successful in stopping her, Ruffian's right foot hung uselessly by a flap of skin.

People raced from all directions to offer what help they could. Ruffian was loaded into the horse ambulance and returned to her stall, where the fight for her life would begin, while Foolish Pleasure became the center of a hollow ceremony in the winner's circle. A team of vets fought the effects of shock and hemorrhaging while decisions were made about the injury itself. Ruffian's chance of survival was less than ten percent, but as long as there was a chance, the Janney's felt it had to be tried.

Desperate efforts on the surgical table were ultimately a failure. Although the veterinarians were able to stabilize the filly and repair the leg, the post-operational shock caused her to wake up fighting. Ruffian's struggling destroyed the heavy cast and added to her injuries. A second surgery was briefly considered, but it was doubtful that the brave filly could have survived. Even if she had, it was probable that she would not tolerate the cast a second time, either. Ruffian was put down. The entire nation mourned the death of perhaps the greatest distaffer in racing history. The game filly is now buried in the infield at Belmont Park, with her head pointed towards the finish line for all eternity.
12 posted on 05/05/2003 4:23:01 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to)
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To: gramho12
I think you might be wrong about one thing...

I thought Secretariat busted every record, every day?

We shall find out in a second, if you are watching.

13 posted on 05/05/2003 4:23:17 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Nitro
I remember watching the race with my family (I loved all things that dealt with horses) and my dad, who didn't care for racing was yelling 'Look at that horse run...no ones gonna catch him, look at him run'. I can still picture it in my mind. ( Riva Ridge, who was out of the same stable as Big Red,(and was a halfbrother, I think)had won the Derby and Preakness the year before, but failed at Belmont.
14 posted on 05/05/2003 4:23:47 PM PDT by gracex7 (The LORD is not slack concerning His promise....but is longsuffering to us-ward. 2 Peter 3:9)
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To: Pharmboy
Great race to remember even with tragic ending. Thanks for finding that.
15 posted on 05/05/2003 4:26:02 PM PDT by alisasny
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To: Nitro
He was great, but not that great. He did not break the Preakness record, although some thought there was a problem with the clock that day...
16 posted on 05/05/2003 4:26:18 PM PDT by gramho12 (God bless our troops)
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To: Pharmboy
You blew alot of bandwidth for horses we have never seen...

remember 1973 and the excitement about Secretariat?

Come on, have a heart and feel...

17 posted on 05/05/2003 4:27:12 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Euro-American Scum
Before Secretariat I thought the best horse that ever lived was either KELSO, well....he was a gelding so he may not count with some, or for purists CITATION. From the time I was 10 years old until now 48 years later, Thoroughbred racing has been part of my life, and I agree, he was the BEST.
18 posted on 05/05/2003 4:28:04 PM PDT by PISANO
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To: gracex7
When I was first stationed at Fort Riley, I remember driving west from KC and seeing a billboard, "World's Fastest Greyhound, ??? Miles!" It was an ad for the Greyhound Racing Museum in Salina.

I went there to see it, and had to opine that the world's fastest greyhound wasn't moving all that quickly anymore.

19 posted on 05/05/2003 4:29:10 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: Pharmboy
This is what made me stop watching thoroughbred racing. I cried all that night over this beautiful beast having to be put down. What incredible heart she had. Now if I'm gonna watch a horse race, it will be quarterhorses. Their ankles are sturdier and don't tend to snap so easily.
20 posted on 05/05/2003 4:29:44 PM PDT by gracex7 (The LORD is not slack concerning His promise....but is longsuffering to us-ward. 2 Peter 3:9)
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To: Pharmboy
Jacinto Vasquez heard a pop, and Ruffian stumbled as the colt rushed past. The great filly has broken down. The jockey fought to stop his mount, knowing that if she kept running she would go down. It was a desperate battle to pull up the filly, as she ran on the exposed bone, ripping ligaments. By the time her rider was successful in stopping her, Ruffian's right foot hung uselessly by a flap of skin.

I saw it happen on TV. What a hideous thing to watch.

21 posted on 05/05/2003 4:30:30 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum
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To: All
That day God touched the Earth!
22 posted on 05/05/2003 4:30:51 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Nitro
I'm not quite sure what you are talking about. For my money (and I won a few bucks on Big Red) Secretariat was the greatest horse ever; I also happened to be at Saratoga the day he lost the Travers.

But, as far as heart goes, Ruffian is unsurpassed.

23 posted on 05/05/2003 4:32:34 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to)
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To: Joe 6-pack
I went to the Greyhound races in Tijuana once when I was a kid. My dad had a system: Simply choose the dog with the biggest ... uh ... package. We won about 5 races that day.
24 posted on 05/05/2003 4:32:52 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: gracex7
Yes...it was a similar event to Lawrence Taylor (accidently) breaking Theisman's leg in that Monday Night Game back in the 80s.
25 posted on 05/05/2003 4:34:39 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to)
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To: Pharmboy
I'm not a horse guy, but you are just plain old vanilla flavored wrong!
26 posted on 05/05/2003 4:36:20 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Nitro
When I watched the Belmont i had tears in my eyes. I knew
was watching history.
27 posted on 05/05/2003 4:40:29 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: randita
You had the right idea, the 2 and 1/2 heart could charge the blood through the lungs to be re-oxinanated and thereby power the muscles that ran away with our hearts.
28 posted on 05/05/2003 4:44:22 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Nitro
Secretariat or Man o' War.
29 posted on 05/05/2003 4:45:04 PM PDT by wardaddy (I know you rider, gonna miss me when I'm gone)
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To: Joe Boucher
I tear up every time, too.
30 posted on 05/05/2003 4:45:10 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: wardaddy
That's a good one...

I'll get back to you next Century when I stop laughing!!!

31 posted on 05/05/2003 4:47:22 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Pharmboy
Yeah, but Theisman didn't kick his cast off and have to be destroyed!
32 posted on 05/05/2003 4:50:15 PM PDT by gracex7 (The LORD is not slack concerning His promise....but is longsuffering to us-ward. 2 Peter 3:9)
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To: Pharmboy
I remember Ruffian vividly. Got physically sick to my stomach when she broke down. It was horrible to see happen to such a great filly. I agree with those who say she was the greatest filly ever to look through a bridle.
33 posted on 05/05/2003 4:51:03 PM PDT by Wolfstar (If we don't re-elect this truly great President, we're NUTS!)
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To: Nitro
What a horse!
I still remember the full page ad in the newspaper(NYT?) ..
Famous athlete retires to stay home and raise a family! and a picture of Big Red.
Truly awesome.
34 posted on 05/05/2003 4:52:28 PM PDT by madrastex
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To: gracex7
Riva was not a half-brother to Secretariat, although both were Meadow Stable homebreds and shared some of the same bloodlines. Riva Ridge was by First Landing out of the mare Iberia, by Heliopolis. Secretariat was by Bold Ruler out of Somethingroyal by Princequillo.
35 posted on 05/05/2003 4:57:44 PM PDT by Wolfstar (If we don't re-elect this truly great President, we're NUTS!)
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To: madrastex
It was 1973 and nobody gave a shit about John Wayne...

we needed a strong male to do something.

I said it before and I'll say it again...

God touched the Earth that day.

Not a human but an animal and we should remember to treat them well...

especially the delicious ones.

36 posted on 05/05/2003 4:58:39 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Nitro
Being a wiseass is no excuse for being ignorant as well.

Like you said, you don't know horses.

http://horseracing.about.com/library/weekly/aa110197.htm

http://members.fortunecity.com/spiletta42/manowar.html

http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/features/00016132.html

37 posted on 05/05/2003 4:59:41 PM PDT by wardaddy (I know you rider, gonna miss me when I'm gone)
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To: Nitro
Wednesday, December 22 Man o'War voted best of 20th Century
Associated Press NEW YORK -- Man o'War and Secretariat, two mighty chestnut colts, ran 1-2 in the race for Horse of the Century.

Man o'War, owned by Samuel D. Riddle and trained by Louis Feustel, won nine of 10 starts as a 2-year-old, then was unbeaten in 11 starts in 1920 before being retired. His loss in 1919 was a second-place in the Sanford at Saratoga to a horse named Upset.

Man o'War was selected as the greatest horse of the century by a six-member panel of experts assembled by The Associated Press. He received four first-place votes to one for Secretariat.

Secretariat won 16 of 21 starts in two years of racing and won the Triple Crown in 1973.

"I'm really thrilled these people in racing who have seen so many good horses would rank Secretariat with Man o'War," said Penny Chenery, who raced Secretariat.

"He had the same electric presence as Man o'War. Going to see Man o'War in the first half of the century was something. Seeing Secretariat in the second half of the century was the same thing."

Citation and Native Dancer tied for third. Citation once won 16 straight races, while Native Dancer's only loss in 22 career starts was a second place in the 1953 Kentucky Derby.

The great gelding Kelso, Horse of the Year five times (1960-64), was fifth.

Rounding out the top 10 were: Tom Fool -- who received the other first-place vote -- Dr. Fager, Count Fleet, Spectacular Bid, and Forego and Seattle Slew, who tied for 10th.

Horses of both sexes were eligible for Horse of the Century, but the top 10 were all males.

As a 3-year-old, Man o'War did not start in the Kentucky Derby, but he won the Preakness and Belmont Stakes. He had only one rival in the Belmont, and he beat him by 20 lengths. His margin of victory in the Lawrence Realization at Belmont Park in 1920 was 100 lengths.

Secretariat won 16 of 21 starts in two years of racing. Trained by Lucien Laurin, he was Horse of the Year in 1972 and again in 1973 when he became the first Triple Crown champion since Citation in 1948.

His Triple Crown was an amazing three-race performance. He became the first horse to break 2 minutes in the 1¼-mile Kentucky Derby (1:59 2-5), won the Preakness with an incredible last-to-first move on the first turn, then won the Belmont by 31 lengths in a world record of 2:24 for 1½-miles on the dirt.

In a separate vote for fillies and mares, Ruffian was picked No. 1, ahead of Twilight Tear. Ruffian was the only filly or mare to get a vote in the horses of both sexes category.

"That is terrific; I'm very pleased," said Stewart Janney III, whose parents owned the filly, trained by Frank Y. Whitely. "She provided us with excitement and unfortunately a moment of great tragedy."

Ruffian, champion 3-year-old filly of 1975, never lost to a filly in her first 10 career starts, but in a match race against Kentucky Derby-winning colt Foolish Pleasure in 1975, she broke down and was euthanized.

Twilight Tear, owned by Calumet Farm and trained by Ben Jones, was champion 3-year-old filly in 1944 when she won 14 of 17 starts and beat males.

Still laughing Noxious?? ROTFLMAO...PIMP

39 posted on 05/05/2003 5:03:32 PM PDT by wardaddy (I know you rider, gonna miss me when I'm gone)
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To: wardaddy; Admin Moderator
OK, I'll excuse your ignorance and ...

I didn't think you were a wise ass...

unless you meant piggy-backing commercial links on your messages....

do you think that could be it???

40 posted on 05/05/2003 5:08:40 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Nitro
Here's more genuis:

http://www.horse-races.net/library/poll-mowsec.shtml?survey

A side by side comparison....very close but Man o' War by a nose.
41 posted on 05/05/2003 5:08:44 PM PDT by wardaddy (I know you rider, gonna miss me when I'm gone)
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To: Wolfstar

42 posted on 05/05/2003 5:09:39 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: wardaddy
Secretariat or Man o' War.

If you ask me, Secretariat. If you ask my grandpa, Man o' War. It's a generational thing, but there's little doubt that those two are heads and tails above (and ahead of) the rest.

43 posted on 05/05/2003 5:14:32 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Nitro
Why did you ping the moderator?
44 posted on 05/05/2003 5:16:29 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Nitro
You are a real piece of work aren't you kid?

You start a reasonable thread and then get all wiseass over the mere suggestion that Man of War is comparable to Secretariat and then when you are called on it with facts which you are plainly completely ignorant, then rather than accept your humble pie that YOU STARTED...you call for the Admin Moderator like a little brat because your ignorance has humiliated you.

And yeah...I ran thru your other posts of late and they are replete with the same love of the flame and profanity.

You remind me of the punk who picked a fight with me in my office 3 years ago and I cleaned his clock and he ran for the cops to try to charge me with assault.

You're a snitch and a coward...I linked you to ESPN, About.com and horse-races.net...there is nothing whatsoever inappropriate with those links.

You let your mouth overload yer a$$ this time sport.

Please by all means call the AM...and I hope the AM reads the whole thread and your other recent replies to see how you operate on this forum.

45 posted on 05/05/2003 5:16:37 PM PDT by wardaddy (I know you rider, gonna miss me when I'm gone)
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To: Nitro
I'm waiting for the Gallop Poll before I decide.
46 posted on 05/05/2003 5:19:31 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Nitro; gramho12
SECRETARIAT


47 posted on 05/05/2003 5:27:27 PM PDT by Wolfstar (If we don't re-elect this truly great President, we're NUTS!)
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To: Nitro
"He is moving like a tremendous
machine!" coolest call EVER!
48 posted on 05/05/2003 5:28:44 PM PDT by orbitboy
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To: Pharmboy
Actually, he didn't run in the Travers. You are thinking of the Whitney, in which he was defeated by a horse named Onion. Big Red was running a fever after the race. Then, for his next race in September, his stablemate, Riva Ridge, was scheduled to run in the Woodward. But it came up rain all that week. Riva never ran well in the slop, so they rushed Red into the Woodward where he finished 2nd. The next race after that, Red won the Marlboro Cup in smashing world-record time and was never defeated again.
49 posted on 05/05/2003 5:31:21 PM PDT by Wolfstar (If we don't re-elect this truly great President, we're NUTS!)
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To: Mr. Mojo
He pinged the Mods because he is a FReeper who lives to flame and when he flamed me I offered him credible evidence that it is quite reasonable to mention Secretariat and Man of War in the same breath which I did...and you did.

He then pings the Mods to accuse me of linking advertisements when I linked ESPN, About.com, Horses-Races.net and AP...lol

He got his hot tongue caught in a trap of his own design and ran to Mommy.

All over something so trivial as a horse discussion that I entered completely honestly.

I do not seek out flame wars but will defend myself and typically with facts rather than rhetoric or ad hominum unless attacked first.

Never in my time here have I seen so much teeth gnashing over nothing.

BTW, I own and develope self storage facilities, car washes, and invest passively in other endeavors. I have absolutely no commercial interest in any website or their advertisements anywhere.

Sorry you had to witness my less complimentary side.
50 posted on 05/05/2003 5:38:58 PM PDT by wardaddy (I know you rider, gonna miss me when I'm gone)
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