Study: Ithaca Solar Panels in dark

"Someone else's money at that. "

That's right- YOUR money mewzilla, as well as, everyone's.

The solar panel fiasco is nothing.

The moronic parasites are NOW angling to get their hands on MILLIONS more of YOUR tax money to fund kickbacks via a hotel construction project they also "feel" is needed. (The fact the proposed project is not even commercially viable is of no consequence as long as they get line their nests with YOUR money.

If you are concerned about this, you can check out disturbing details on the postings and contact your local United States Attorney's office with request for ACTION against the nonsense involving the use of YOUR taxmonies to subsidize the proposed office building/hotel project and fund kickbacks.

LOL! I love when Ithaca has something bad happen to it. :o)

City Of Evil bump...

Because Ithac voted about twice as much for Nader than Bush.

That IS bad.

No, that's good, because those votes weren't for Gore. (OK, electoral vote-wise it doesn't matter -- but IIRC the Ralph Nader vote probably cost Gore the election.)

Here is the situation:

1. Do you believe YOUR hard earned tax money should be used by Ithaca officials to fund private development projects- even if they are not, repeat NOT, even commercially viable in their own right?

2. Do you believe YOUR hard earned tax money should be used by Ithaca officials to pressure a productive, law-abiding citizen to abandon his livelihood and business he has painstakingly built over 15 years?

3. Do you believe YOUR hard earned tax money should be used by Ithaca officials to threaten a productive, law-abiding citizen to sell his property to a friend of theirs otherwise they will seize the property using eminent domain?

4. Do you believe YOUR hard earned tax money should be used by Ithaca officials to facilitate the sale of the woman's ownership share in the property WITHOUT her prior knowledge nor permission nor any compensation to her?

5. Do you believe YOUR hard earned tax money should be used by Ithaca officials to fund kickbacks to the perpetrators of illegal acts- i.e. rewarding them for their crimes with YOUR money?

If you answered NO to any of the foregoing questions and really mean it and want to make your view count FREEPER style, call the following Ithaca officials and let them know:

-NO! You do NOT want them using YOUR taxpayer monies to in any way support the private development of the proposed office building and hotel at 130-134 East Seneca Street- it is a private development NOT a public works project;

-NO! You do NOT want them using YOUR taxpayer monies to in any way forcibly expel the co-owner of the property Tom Pine- a productive, law-abiding citizen- and his business (Race Office Supply) from his property- this is a free country and the price of something is what the interested buyer and seller freely AGREE to and using public resources to pressure and basically extort one side to enrich the other is barbaric and unacceptable;

-NO! You do NOT want them using YOUR taxpayer monies to in any way execute an eminent domain proceeding to seize the property from Pine and the widow against their will and hand it over to another private party (Ciminelli)- again, this is a free country and we just got rid of the Taliban and the Baathists you do NOT tolerate such tyranny, theft, and extortion with YOUR taxmoney here;

-NO! You do NOT want them using YOUR taxpayer monies to "sell" the woman's ownership interest without any compensation to her- this is the land of the free NOT the land of the thieves, US citizens are NOT entitled to being embezzled- INCLUDING widows.

-NO! You do NOT want them using YOUR taxpayer monies to fund kickbacks of ANY kind- we are NOT interested in having local officials practice Taliban and Baathist economics.

Let's make this happen.

Draw the line. Protect Pine!

No Means NO! And let the bums know.

Alan J. Cohen Phone: (607)274-6501 Email: mayor@cityofithaca.org

Ithaca Common Council Member Paulette Manos Phone: (607) 273-4170 Email: paulettem@cityofithaca.org

Ithaca Common Council Member Susan Blumenthal Phone: (607) 272-3931 Email: susanb@cityofithaca.org

Ithaca Common Council Member Patricia Pryor Phone: (607) 273-1741 Email: patp@cityofithaca.org

Ithaca Common Council Member David Whitmore Phone: (607) 273-1254 Email: davidw@cityofithaca.org

Ithaca Common Council Member Diann Sams Phone: (607) 277-8188 Email: dianns@cityofithaca.org

Ithaca Common Council Member Patricia Vaughan Phone: (607) 273-3870 Email: patv@cityofithaca.org

Ithaca Common Council Member Carolyn Peterson Phone: (607) 272-8129 Email: carolynp@cityofithaca.org

Ithaca Common Council Member Peter Mack Phone: (607) 253-7070 Email: peterm@cityofithaca.org

Ithaca Common Council Member Daniel Cogan Phone: (607) 273-2076 Email: dcogan@cityofithaca.org

Ithaca Common Council Member Edward Hershey Phone: (607) 272-0590 Email: enh2@cornell.edu

Barbara Blanchard (D) Telephone: 607-277-1374 e-mail: bb35@cornell.edu

Leslyn McBean (D) Telephone: 607-277-5104 Email: leslyn@lightlink.com

Richard S. Booth(D) Telephone: 607-272-6573 e-mail: rsb6@cornell.edu

Nancy Schuler (D) Telephone: 607-272-7298 Email: nschuler@twcny.rr.com

Kathy Luz Herrera (D) Telephone: 607-273-8169 E-mail: klh7@cornell.edu

Thomas Todd (R) Telephone: 607-533-7350

Frank P. Proto (R) Telephone: 607-277-4875

Daniel M. Winch (R) Telephone: 607-564-7813 e-mail: dmw3@cornell.edu fax: 607-274-5430

George Totman (R) Telephone: 607-838-3444

Dooley Kiefer (D) Telephone: 607-257-7453

Michael Koplinka-Loehr (D) Telephone: 607-257-2329 e-mail: mak11@cornell.edu

Tim Joseph (D) Telephone: 607-277-2519 E-mail: joseph@tompkins-co.org

Martha Robertson (D) Telephone: 607-272-0584 E-mail: mrob@twcny.rr.com

Michael Lane (D) Telephone: 607-844-8313

Peter Penniman (D) Telephone: 607-387-5897 E-mail: pwp2@cornell.edu

"It has an educational value on the uses of solar energy, and that educational value won't be diminished if the panels are say, 20 percent less efficient in their functioning," he said.

Yeah, the residents of Ithaca would be getting an expensive education about economics, if they weren't too stupid to pay attention.

To fix the situation, officials could move the panels to the north side of the building. They could add more panels, or put panels on one of the new buildings and transmit the energy back to the library.

...adding enough solar panels to compensate for the loss in sunlight could cost up to $370,000.

Apparently buying additional electricity at a few cents a killowat hour, and using the savings to buy books or lower property taxes, is not under consideration.

*giggle*

The light thus reflected would still have to cut thru the cloudiness!

"I don't live in Ithace, but the article doesn't imply any public funding to the private enterprise, in fact the city is talking about SELLING them parking places, i.e. thecity woudl profit from the development. "

The parking garage is being built- at taxpayer, ie YOUR- expense- to provide discounted parking for the proposed office building/hotel- whose construction ALSO involves Enronesque financing schemes using taxpayer- ie YOUR- money to fund kickbacks.

"With all due respect, this sounds to me like someone wants to stop legitimate development in a city, using questionable excuses (I don't know that your claims are true or not, but they just don't seem very plausible, and you didn't provide any evidence that any of your claims are true.)"

Actually myself and others very much support development. We simply object to:

-The threatened use of eminent domain to pressure one party of a private negotiation to make concessions to the benefit of another private party;

-The conveyance of a widow's ownership share without compensating her;

-The handover of several million dollars to be taken from the public treasury without any detailed substantiation;

-The use of tax discounts to a handful of individuals while raising the tax burden on the rest of the suckers- I mean- productive, law-abiding citizens;

-The use of taxpayer monies to fund kickbacks;

-Taxpayer subsidy of private projects including those that are not commercially viable in their own right.

"I don't know all the circumstances, and I don't favor mindless overdevelopment, however, I also think that development is good, it employs people, businesses pay taxes,so it's good for thecity too, etc."

Agreed. However in this case we are not looking at wholesome developent. Rather a handful of parasites greatly enriching themselves DIRECTLY at YOUR and everybody else's expense. THAT's the problem with the Ithaca projects.

So, we come to the following questions:

1. Do you believe YOUR hard earned tax money should be used by Ithaca officials to fund private development projects- even if they are not, repeat NOT, even commercially viable in their own right?

2. Do you believe YOUR hard earned tax money should be used by Ithaca officials to pressure a productive, law-abiding citizen to abandon his livelihood and business he has painstakingly built over 15 years?

3. Do you believe YOUR hard earned tax money should be used by Ithaca officials to threaten a productive, law-abiding citizen to sell his property to a friend of theirs otherwise they will seize the property using eminent domain?

4. Do you believe YOUR hard earned tax money should be used by Ithaca officials to facilitate the sale of the woman's ownership share in the property WITHOUT her prior knowledge nor permission nor any compensation to her?

5. Do you believe YOUR hard earned tax money should be used by Ithaca officials to fund kickbacks to the perpetrators of illegal acts- i.e. rewarding them for their crimes with YOUR money?

If you answered NO to any of the foregoing questions and really mean it and want to make your view count then make the phone calls and let the officials know that you object otherwise watch Pine and other suckers- I mean productive, law-abiding citizens be destroyed by the parasites and their corrupt Ithaca Baathist cronies. It's really that simple.

"I don't live in Ithace, but the article doesn't imply any public funding to the private enterprise, in fact the city is talking about SELLING them parking places, i.e. thecity woudl profit from the development. "

The parking garage is being built- at taxpayer, ie YOUR- expense- to provide discounted parking for the proposed office building/hotel- whose construction ALSO involves Enronesque financing schemes using taxpayer- ie YOUR- money to fund kickbacks.

"With all due respect, this sounds to me like someone wants to stop legitimate development in a city, using questionable excuses (I don't know that your claims are true or not, but they just don't seem very plausible, and you didn't provide any evidence that any of your claims are true.)"

Actually myself and others very much support development. We simply object to:

-The threatened use of eminent domain to pressure one party of a private negotiation to make concessions to the benefit of another private party;

-The conveyance of a widow's ownership share without compensating her;

-The handover of several million dollars to be taken from the public treasury without any detailed substantiation;

-The use of tax discounts to a handful of individuals while raising the tax burden on the rest of the suckers- I mean- productive, law-abiding citizens;

-The use of taxpayer monies to fund kickbacks;

-Taxpayer subsidy of private projects including those that are not commercially viable in their own right.

"I don't know all the circumstances, and I don't favor mindless overdevelopment, however, I also think that development is good, it employs people, businesses pay taxes,so it's good for thecity too, etc."

Agreed. However in this case we are not looking at wholesome development. Rather a handful of parasites greatly enriching themselves DIRECTLY at YOUR and everybody else's expense. THAT's the problem with the Ithaca projects.

So, we come to the following questions:

1. Do you believe YOUR hard earned tax money should be used by Ithaca officials to fund private development projects- even if they are not, repeat NOT, even commercially viable in their own right?

2. Do you believe YOUR hard earned tax money should be used by Ithaca officials to pressure a productive, law-abiding citizen to abandon his livelihood and business he has painstakingly built over 15 years?

3. Do you believe YOUR hard earned tax money should be used by Ithaca officials to threaten a productive, law-abiding citizen to sell his property to a friend of theirs otherwise they will seize the property using eminent domain?

4. Do you believe YOUR hard earned tax money should be used by Ithaca officials to facilitate the sale of the woman's ownership share in the property WITHOUT her prior knowledge nor permission nor any compensation to her?

5. Do you believe YOUR hard earned tax money should be used by Ithaca officials to fund kickbacks to the perpetrators of illegal acts- i.e. rewarding them for their crimes with YOUR money?

If you answered NO to any of the foregoing questions and really mean it and want to make your view count then make the phone calls and let the officials know that you object otherwise watch Pine and other suckers- I mean productive, law-abiding citizens be destroyed by the parasites and their corrupt Ithaca Baathist cronies. It's really that simple.

"Ciminelli is an arm of the mob."

What makes you say this? Having an Italian name doesn't mean one is part of the mob.

"Ithaca is commie central in NY. Together they do whatever they like."

In this case, commie central is a handful of individuals who will only respond PROVIDED, you let them know that you do not want them spending YOUR taxdollars to acquire and develop a property with projects that are not commercially viable and that you ESEPCIALLY do not want Ithaca officials using YOUR taxmoney to force people into giving up their business and property.

More specifically:

1. Do you believe YOUR hard earned tax money should be used by Ithaca officials to fund private development projects- even if they are not, repeat NOT, even commercially viable in their own right?

2. Do you believe YOUR hard earned tax money should be used by Ithaca officials to pressure a productive, law-abiding citizen to abandon his livelihood and business he has painstakingly built over 15 years?

3. Do you believe YOUR hard earned tax money should be used by Ithaca officials to threaten a productive, law-abiding citizen to sell his property to a friend of theirs otherwise they will seize the property using eminent domain?

4. Do you believe YOUR hard earned tax money should be used by Ithaca officials to facilitate the sale of the woman's ownership share in the property WITHOUT her prior knowledge nor permission nor any compensation to her?

5. Do you believe YOUR hard earned tax money should be used by Ithaca officials to fund kickbacks to the perpetrators of illegal acts- i.e. rewarding them for their crimes with YOUR money?

If your answer is no to ANY of the foregoing questions, call the Ithaca officials involved (below) and let them know.
--

Alan J. Cohen Phone: (607)274-6501
Email: mayor@cityofithaca.org

Ithaca Common Council Member Paulette Manos
Phone: (607) 273-4170
Email: paulettem@cityofithaca.org

Ithaca Common Council Member Susan Blumenthal
Phone: (607) 272-3931
Email: susanb@cityofithaca.org

Ithaca Common Council MemberPatricia Pryor
Phone: (607) 273-1741
Email: patp@cityofithaca.org

Ithaca Common Council Member David Whitmore
Phone: (607) 273-1254
Email: davidw@cityofithaca.org

Ithaca Common Council Member Diann Sams
Phone: (607) 277-8188
Email: dianns@cityofithaca.org

Ithaca Common Council Member Patricia Vaughan
Phone: (607) 273-3870
Email: patv@cityofithaca.org

Ithaca Common Council Member Carolyn Peterson
Phone: (607) 272-8129
Email: carolynp@cityofithaca.org

Ithaca Common Council Member Peter Mack
Phone: (607) 253-7070
Email: peterm@cityofithaca.org

Ithaca Common Council Member Daniel Cogan
Phone: (607) 273-2076
Email: dcogan@cityofithaca.org

Ithaca Common Council Member Edward Hershey
Phone: (607) 272-0590
Email: enh2@cornell.edu

LOL! I love when Ithaca has something bad happen to it. :o)

Why? Innocent people are being hurt at the hands of the Marxist parasites.

Hmmm, big building somewhat in the way, the wind has to go someplace. What about trading in the solar for wind turbines?

Reminds me of the US Park Service. The bathrooms were stinking, so they put in solar powered fans. Okay, but this
IS the Park Service, so the bathrooms are surrounded by trees.

...an average of 20 to 23 percent. On some days of the year, the light lost would be even greater.

Wow -- was this guy a math major?

To fix the situation, officials could move the panels to the north side of the building.

Solar panels on the north side of a building in upstate NY? They will have to hire somebody to scrape the moss off the panels.

I can say that about ciminelli because I live in buffalo and have had personal dealings with them