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'Earliest Writing' Found In China
BBC ^ | 4-17-2003 | Paul Rincon

Posted on 04/18/2003 9:35:03 AM PDT by blam

'Earliest writing' found in China

By Paul Rincon
BBC Science

First attempt at writing .. on a tortoise shell

Signs carved into 8,600-year-old tortoise shells found in China may be the earliest written words, say archaeologists.

The symbols were written down in the late Stone Age, or Neolithic Age.

They predate the earliest recorded writings from Mesopotamia - in what is now Iraq - by more than 2,000 years.

The archaeologists say they bear similarities to written characters used thousands of years later during the Shang dynasty, which lasted from 1700-1100 BC.

But the discovery has already generated controversy, with one leading researcher in the field branding it "an anomaly".

The archaeologists have identified 11 separate symbols inscribed on the tortoise shells.

The shells were found buried with human remains in 24 Neolithic graves unearthed at Jiahu in Henan province, western China.

The character for 'eye', similar to inscriptions in the latest find

The site has been radiocarbon dated to between 6,600 and 6,200 BC.

The research was carried out by Dr Garman Harbottle, of the Brookhaven National Laboratory in New York and a team of archaeologists at the University of Science and Technology of China in Anhui province.

"What [the markings] appear to show are meaningful signs that have a correspondence with ancient Chinese writing," said Dr Harbottle.

The Neolithic markings include symbols that resemble the characters for "eye" and "window" and the numerals eight and 20 in the Shang script.

"If you pick up a bottle with a skull and crossbones on it, you know instantly that it's poison without the word being spelt out. We're used to signs that convey concepts and I wouldn't be surprised if that's what we're seeing here," Dr Harbottle added.

Writing discovery from gravesite dig

However, Professor David Keightley of the University of California, Berkeley, urged caution, particularly over the proposed link to the much later Shang script.

"There is a gap of about 5,000 years [between them]. It seems astonishing that they would be connected," said Professor Keightley.

He added that the link had to be proved more thoroughly.

But Dr Harbottle points to the persistence of sign use at different sites along the Yellow River throughout the Neolithic and up to the Shang period, when a complex writing system appears.

He emphasised that he was not suggesting the Neolithic symbols had the same meanings as Shang characters they resembled.

Professor Keightley added: "It's a puzzle and an anomaly; [the symbols] are remarkably early. We can't call it writing until we have more evidence."

Shaman rituals

He noted that there were signs the Neolithic culture at Jiahu may not have been complex enough to require a writing system.

But Professor Keightley did say that the signs appeared to be highly "schematised" or stylised. This is a feature of Chinese written characters.

Aggregations of small pebbles were found close to several of the tortoise shells.

The Jiahu researchers propose that the shells once contained the pebbles and were used as musical rattles in shamanistic rituals.

In one grave, eight sets of tortoise shells were placed above the skeletal remains of a man whose head was missing.

The shells come from graves where, in 1999, the researchers unearthed ancient bone flutes.

These flutes are the earliest musical instruments known to date.

The research is published in the journal Antiquity.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ancienthistory; ancientnavigation; archaeology; ccp; china; chinese; davidkeightley; earliest; epigraphyandlanguage; garmanharbottle; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; jiahu; language; neolithic; olmecs; oraclebones; shang; shangdynasty; writing; yellowriver
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1 posted on 04/18/2003 9:35:03 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Scrimshaw.
2 posted on 04/18/2003 9:43:53 AM PDT by Consort (Use only un-hyphenated words when posting.)
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To: blam
Man! Those are some of the deadest people I've ever seen. Wonder what the inscription said? Hmmm..."symbols that resemble the characters for "eye" and "window" and the numerals eight and 20"...maybe it's a recipt from an early form of 'drive thru' instructing the purchaser to look for the cashier in the window and pick up their 8 egg rolls and 20 crab rangoons?
3 posted on 04/18/2003 10:22:16 AM PDT by Lee Heggy (Tastes like chicken.)
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To: Lee Heggy
They were obviously NOT booing Michael Moore.
4 posted on 04/18/2003 10:24:52 AM PDT by MP5
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To: blam
It's been a long time and I've forgotten the technical terms.

But weren't small containers with external markings indicating their contents used for a very long time in commercial transactions in Mesopotamia prior to the invention of writing? From something like 8000 to 4000 B.C.?

5 posted on 04/18/2003 10:28:55 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Lee Heggy
"Man! Those are some of the deadest people I've ever seen. Wonder what the inscription said? Hmmm..."symbols that resemble the characters for "eye" and "window" and the numerals eight and 20"...maybe it's a recipt from an early form of 'drive thru' instructing the purchaser to look for the cashier in the window and pick up their 8 egg rolls and 20 crab rangoons?"

Some Freepers may not appreciate your sense of humor but I found this funny as hell!

6 posted on 04/18/2003 10:38:57 AM PDT by albee
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To: liberallarry
Click on the below link and go to post #18 to see some old writing.

Lost Civilisation From 7,500BC Discovered Off Indian Coast (That's 9,500 years ago)

7 posted on 04/18/2003 10:45:48 AM PDT by blam
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To: Lee Heggy
Heh. Well done. My surprise here is that people had windows eight thousand years ago, and evidently got it to run.
8 posted on 04/18/2003 11:58:40 AM PDT by gcruse (The F word, N word, C word: We're well on our way to spelling 'France.')
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To: blam
Dated how? Carbon dating of remains found in graves? (If so, I suppose it's theoretically possible that the writings were put in the graves later.)
9 posted on 04/18/2003 12:01:24 PM PDT by aristeides
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Couldn't they date the turtle shell directly?
Look for a 'use by' date on it somewhere.
10 posted on 04/18/2003 12:02:45 PM PDT by gcruse (The F word, N word, C word: We're well on our way to spelling 'France.')
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That would be Windows 8000? Should be just about finished booting up by now...nope the little hourglass thing is still there...
11 posted on 04/18/2003 12:19:04 PM PDT by Lee Heggy (Tastes like chicken.)
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Hmmm. An hourglass. Another anachronistic anomaly. There's more to this ark-yew-ology, as the White House calls it, than it thought.
12 posted on 04/18/2003 12:22:08 PM PDT by gcruse (The F word, N word, C word: We're well on our way to spelling 'France.')
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To: Lee Heggy
It translates into "I am so F'ng tired of rice"
13 posted on 04/18/2003 12:24:16 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: blam
One of the things which makes the Chinese formidable is their long sense of history (rightly placed or not). They look ahead decades, and Americans only look ahead to the next election cycle (or sports season).
14 posted on 04/18/2003 12:37:09 PM PDT by warchild9
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Or the next fiscal quarter. Yes, we are typically shortsighted, especially when we are so evenly divided politically that either side can come into power and wreck the previous one's agenda on the whim of a sliver of the voters.
15 posted on 04/18/2003 12:39:43 PM PDT by gcruse (The F word, N word, C word: We're well on our way to spelling 'France.')
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The Neolithic markings include symbols that resemble the characters for "eye" and "window" and the numerals eight and 20 in the Shang script.

H'm. Could be a mathematical equation, that when solved, openes up the window of heaven and the eye descends to reveal the mysteries of the universe and the inhabitants of the world are led into a Utopian peace.

16 posted on 04/18/2003 12:45:17 PM PDT by Luna (Evil will not triumph...God is at the helm)
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To: Luna
I see.
17 posted on 04/18/2003 12:54:45 PM PDT by gcruse (The F word, N word, C word: We're well on our way to spelling 'France.')
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To: liberallarry
I remember something like "bola" or "boola". The theory was that writing evolved from bills of lading.

The seller would put small tokens of different shapes inside a sealed clay pot. The buyer would break the pot to compare with the arrived shipment (animals, grain, etc.).

The theory is that, in order to know the correct shipment along the way - without breaking open the container - impressions of the tokens were made on the outside of the container.

It was a short step from there to realizing you don't need the container any more.

I believe this is what you're talking about. It was the work of a profesor at the University of Texas at Austin.

18 posted on 04/18/2003 1:29:11 PM PDT by D-fendr
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19 posted on 04/18/2003 5:38:16 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: D-fendr
Yeah, that's exactly it. Is that work still valid?
20 posted on 04/18/2003 7:46:33 PM PDT by liberallarry
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