Retired Russian Generals running Iraqi Command and Control

WABC radio : Batchelor Alexander Loftus | April 8, 2003 | WABC Batchelor Alexander Loftus

[Allan]

Report of John Loftus WABC radio Batchelor Alexander Program

'Retired' Russian generals Atelov and Matsov have been in charge of Iraqi command and control. That is why no communications from Iraqi command and control have been intercepted since the start of the war. The Russians have been directing everything.

The Russian convoy headed for Syria with the Russian ambassador was shot up (30 minute gunfight) because the secret communications equipment was being taken out. This equipment uses encryption that connects with the Russian equivalent of NSA.

When asked whether US forces seized any equipment John Loftus said: "No comment".

With regard to the latest bomb on Saddam Loftus said it was a 'sting' operation again carried out by a Russian advisor. Iraqis were attempting to see if the US could intercept their underground communications so they played an old tape with Saddam arranging with his sons to meet at a restaurant.

The US fell for the sting and bombed the restaurant.

(The possibility of a 'sting' apparently has been mentioned on Fox)

Loftus still maintains Saddam was killed on the first night.

[Allan]

John Loftus has many connections in the CIA

[Maedhros]

hmmm... *rolls eyes*

[Allan]

Correction:

I misheard the names of the Russian generals.

The correct spelling is:

Achalov and Maltsev

[ApesForEvolution]

Great fiction, but then again I wouldn't be surprised at all. I would've captured those stinking Russians myself.

[FreeSpeechZone]

This equipment uses encryption that connects with the Russian equivalent of NSA.

[Our God given right to be free]

I heard the same thing you reported this well but of course this hasn't been mentioned on the news. I hope this gets out. thanks

[tubebender]

Are these the same Generals that lead the war in Afghanistan???

[longtermmemmory]

A sting to cover Saddam's escape?

[ellery]

bttt

[Allan]

ping

[TLBSHOW]

I still say he and his sons were killed on the First night! And the Russians are or were running the show!

[EternalVigilance]

Think we could get these generals to head up Syrian and North Korean Command and Control?

[Cvengr]

Lotsaluv and Maltsatov????

OOiiii

[keats5]

OK. Now I'm mad. Let's sic our retired generals on them.

[Mr. Mojo]

Are these the same Generals that lead the war in Afghanistan???

Let's hope so.

[maestro]

With regard to the latest bomb on Saddam Loftus said it was a 'sting' operation again carried out by a Russian advisor. Iraqis were attempting to see if the US could intercept their underground communications so they played an old tape with Saddam arranging with his sons to meet at a restaurant.

The US fell for the sting and bombed the restaurant.

Simple,......solve this 'problem' by taking out the Russian Advisors.......

??.......NO Iraqi Leaders were wounded??

None?

Try 'nukes'.....?

/sarcasm

[NYCop]

As long as they're not on our side...

[schu]

The obvious question is why? What does Russia have to gain, they had to know we would smash these guys silly. What do the generals gain?

Who knows, but it sure does not add up to me.

[Newbomb Turk]

They are doing a hell of a job too. Soon they will be blowed up real good.

They are finding out firsthand just how antiquated their equipment and tactics are. Remember the Afganistan war they could not win. Those GPS jammers really kick but too. We targeted every one that was turned on and scored a direct hit on every one.

[Fred Mertz]

The US fell for the sting and bombed the restaurant.

We are so in the dark. Our propaganda or theirs....who and what to believe?

[piasa]

This is utter nonsense:

With regard to the latest bomb on Saddam Loftus said it was a 'sting' operation again carried out by a Russian advisor. Iraqis were attempting to see if the US could intercept their underground communications so they played an old tape with Saddam arranging with his sons to meet at a restaurant.

There was no tape involved, unless Iraq can make holographic Husseins to give the appearance of the man physically entering the restaurant- there were multiple visual sightings (from real, live people on the ground) of him entering, which is why they got the "go." Since this is real life and not Star Trek, Mr. Hussein was made of real blood, flesh and sh*t.

[Arkinsaw]

And the Russians are or were running the show!

They were probably testing out their strategy, tactics, and equipment with us. Think they learned anything....heheheheheheh

[ontos-on]

Think we could get these generals to head up Syrian and North Korean Command and Control?

Hey, man. Ditto, again! :)

[Mr. Mojo]

The Russian convoy headed for Syria with the Russian ambassador was shot up (30 minute gunfight)

Were all the Russians in the convoy killed?

[TLBSHOW]

'We didn't fly to Baghdad to drink coffee'

Gazeta.Ru has obtained sensational evidence proving the involvement of a group of former Soviet generals in preparing the Iraqi army for war against the United States. The generals in question refused to discuss their degree of involvement, but admitted that just before the beginning of the US-led campaign against Iraq they received state awards from the Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

[Allan]

there were multiple visual sightings
(from real, live people on the ground)
of him entering,

Maybe one of his doubles bit the dust.

[Mo1]

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[ontos-on]

QUESTION: The obvious question is why? What does Russia have to gain, they had to know we would smash these guys silly. What do the generals gain?

Who knows, but it sure does not add up to me.

ANSWER: Remeber that they are still Commies. They hate us for beating them.

[thegreatbeast]

Interesting take. Wonder if this will ever make the light of day if true.
That old adage, "Revenge is a dish best served cold", is going to be mighty hard to observe but if we manage to it will reap us untold riches for a long time to come.

[TLBSHOW]

According to the Russian website www.gazeta.ru, former Soviet generals have also admitted that, just days before the beginning of the U.S.-led campaign against Iraq, they received state awards from Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. These are senior retired Soviet officers, General (three-star) Vladimir Achalov and General (also three-star) Igor Maltsev. Achalov, former Soviet deputy defense minister, participated in the failed putsch against then-Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev. He was also the Soviet airborne-troops commander and the last Soviet commander-in-chief of the rapid-reaction forces. Maltsev, who is considered a leading authority in air defense, was the chief of the Main Staff of the Soviet Air Defense. He is also a pardoned 1991 coup plotter.

Russian defense sources in Moscow told NRO that both retired generals had to obtain permission from top-level Russian political and military authorities to perform their advisory roles. Thus Russia's official denials that the Kremlin did not know about the "mission to Baghdad" can only sound hollow.
http://www.nationalreview.com/cohen/cohen040403.asp

[Allan]

but admitted that just before the beginning of the US-led campaign against Iraq
they received state awards from the Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

This story about the awards was confirmed last night
by Professor Steve Cohen
who is an extremely reliable source.

[blam]

Bump.

[struwwelpeter]

From Gazeta.ru

"...retired Soviet officers, Col.-Gen. Vladimir Achalov and Col.-Gen. Igor Maltsev. The former completed his military career as the Soviet deputy defence minister, after being the Air-Borne Troops commander and the first and last Soviet commander-in-chief of the rapid-reaction forces. The latter resigned from the post of the chief of the Main Staff of the Soviet Air Defence. In 1991 both generals backed the GKChP, (the State Committee for the State of Emergency, set up by a group of Gorbachev opponents with the goal of supplanting him and preventing the disintegration of the USSR) and were consequently dismissed from military service. "

[M. Thatcher]

Retired Russian Generals running Iraqi Command and Control

Well, they suck.

[GalaxieFiveHundred]

Hey, Commie bast**ds! Can you see this through your girlie nightvision goggles?

[TLBSHOW]

see post 30!

I had a fight with freepers about the russia connection and their little commie lies last week. This has been run by the commies since day 1.

[alethia]

You know, this was my first thought when I heard the convoy had been "shot up". I'd also heard quite a few reports about Russian Military advisors in Iraq -- they must've been making their getaway -- or some of them. I'm sure the Russkies don't want us to find a Russian military advisor in Iraq as we take over the various cities. That goes way outside the bounds of "smoking gun" -- don't you think?

[antaresequity]

Are these the same Generals that lead the war in Afghanistan???

If indeed this is 'fact', it is residual retracement of the tectonic shift impulse of the collapse of the iron curtain.

Die hard soviet imperialists grasping for and perpetuating the vestigial remnants of thier lost ideological mother ship...abetted by and cultivated from the 'mess' that is the former 'Soviet Union'. Putin has offered one version of Russia to the naive....while the reality is somthing entirley different

Putin's blind eye should be salved with salt for his weakness to his card carrying underculture...

The magnitude of Bush's audacity in exposing the truth will go down in the anals of history as turning point...provided we follow through...

Stay focused...its a retracement

God bless Bush, and the finest most heroic people on this planet...the Armed Forces of the United States of America

[JOE6PAK]

It was the DELTAS against the system. GUESS WHO WON?

[maestro]

Maybe, they got the 'General Giap' award?

SH has his saviour coming soon,...The U.N. is coming to save the terrorists for a long war against us?

A change of 'flag' but,....still a 'false-flag' operation starting all over again?

/sarcasm

[Boundless]

> The Russians have been directing everything.

Using strategy and tactics so clever that it appeared that
no one was directing anything very effectively. And this is
the principal reason this might not be true.

As to the question of "why" (assuming the story is true).

I can see why Saddam might hire outside consultants, given
the abysmal performance of his own generals in the first
Gulf War.

And I can see why Russia might support their being there
(or at least not prevent it), so as to have a proxy state
test Russian gear and tactics on their main potential adversary.

Plus the performance of the Russian gear in Desert Storm
didn't do much to support the marketing claims, and I'm sure
the Russian arms makers would like to have prevented a
repeat performance. With the exception of a couple of Kornet
anti-tank rockets, the new performance is even more
embarrassing than the first.

Anyhow, we'll know the story is false when Debka picks it up :-)

And if it is false, who put it out? And why? This might be
the interesting question here. Recall that Batchelor Alexander
was the show that purported to give us the details on how
Saddam was neutralized on Day0.

[FairOpinion]

Actually the answer is $$$ as in BILLIONS:

"Russian firms have the most to lose in a postwar Iraq as they have signed contracts worth $4 billion with the government of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein to drill oil wells, deliver equipment and develop Iraq's massive oil reserves, which rank second in the world after those of Saudi Arabia.

The key deal is a $3.7 billion contract held for years by LUKoil and smaller Zarubezhneft and Mashinnoimport to develop West Qurna."

http://www.moscowtimes.ru/stories/2003/04/09/042.html

[Allan]

Recall that Batchelor Alexander was the show
that purported to give us the details
on how Saddam was neutralized on Day0.

John Loftus made that claim on their show.
He still says it is true.

[TLBSHOW]

this was in national review 4 days ago!

[Kenno]

I dunno...Russian generals are becoming to the '00s what black helicopters were to the '90s. Always in the middle of any major event (according to the Art Bell types) and never authenticated.

[Allan]

For those who don't know
it should be emphasized
that many of Saddam's old generals
were trained in the Soviet Union
and speak fluent Russian.

[TLBSHOW]

of course its true saddam and his sons are dead as door nails, Bush took them out day one!

[mark the shark]

Ever increasing evidence that Soviet style Top down command and control are and have been a failed system. This @ss-whipping is further proof of that.
And , OOPS!, Sorry about the Diplomatic Convoy! Things can get very dangerous in the "FOG" of War. I wonder if they had AAA.

[browardchad]

Were all the Russians in the convoy killed?

No, two were wounded; one's still hospitalized at an Iraqi hospital.

I read earlier today that they got caught in cross-fire because they deviated from the route they told the U.S. military they would take to Syria. The article also said they would ask the U.S. to airlift the wounded diplomat out of the country. A chopper towing a basket sounds about right....

[GalaxieFiveHundred]

It was the DELTAS against the system. GUESS WHO WON?

And it ain't over now! 'Cause when the going gets tough.......uh, the tough get going. Who's with me? Let's Go! Come on! AAAAEEEEEGGGHHHH!!

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