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To: EternalVigilance
Good Points ("firstborne son"). I would also add that if the hebrew word for "brother" can also mean "cousin" that dosen't explain away the fact that the Bible text says "sisters" also and If the ossuary box is the real thing, it also says James was "the son of Joseph".i doubt "son" also means "nephew".

THere is no reason that Joseph and Mary should not have had other children.Mary and JOseph were not divine.That was part of the point...that Gods son was born to humble people who were human like us.
19 posted on 03/05/2003 9:54:40 PM PST by ConservaChick
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To: ConservaChick
I totally agree.
21 posted on 03/05/2003 10:00:14 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: ConservaChick
Shalom!

I agree with You!

Not only were Yosef and Miriam human beings, they Both were Sinners in Need of The SAVIOR...Jesus The Holy and Anointed One - Yeshua HaMoshiach!

Yosef being much older than the young Miriam, may have been a Widower with children, the Scriptures are silent concerning Yosef's life before he became betrothed to Miriam.

The Hebrew word for son is: "Bar" or "Ben".

I believe that the Ossuary Box and the identifying Inscription on it is Authentic.

A dear friend of mine leading a Archaeological Dig Team in Caesarea, Israel uncovered The "Pilate Plate" in 1973.

For centuries the Theologians argued that: "Pilate" was nothing more than a Myth and not a real figure in the Bible, as Nothing was noted about this Roman Governor anywhere with the exception of what is written for us in the Gospel accounts.

A closer investigation of the issue revealed that Pilate's name and position was erased from ALL Roman Records, History Books and Physical evidence because he, Pilate, was deemed a Lunatic - Nut case, he directly disobeyed Caesar.

He was dishonorably discharged from Caesar's service and the Roman army, he was placed in a Camp for disgruntled dissidents...and Nothing more was ever heard of him or his family.

The Pilate Plate: the Inscription/Identification Plate that once hung (as the Title Plate) over Pilate's Throne/Seat in the Amphitheater in Caesarea is currently on display in the Israel Museum, Jerusalem and a replica of it sits just outside of the ancient Amphitheater.

Archaeology...Is Proving that THE HOLY BIBLE IS ACCURATE 100%!

Amen & Amen.

23 posted on 03/06/2003 12:35:02 AM PST by Simcha7 (Am Israel Chai!)
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To: ConservaChick
THere is no reason that Joseph and Mary should not have had other children.Mary and JOseph were not divine

How does being a virgin or not having children make one divine? I think you misunderstand Catholic and Orthodox doctrine.

BTW, I have a second-cousin who's been married for about 20 years and is in his mid-fifties, and doesn't have children. Does that make him divine?

28 posted on 03/06/2003 5:26:37 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: ConservaChick
I would also add that if the hebrew word for "brother" can also mean "cousin" that dosen't explain away the fact that the Bible text says "sisters"

Huh? Neither Hebrew nor Aramaic has a word that means "cousin". Your male cousins are your "brothers," your female cousins are your "sisters".

Actually, your "brothers" and "sisters" in Biblical times could be anything from blood brothers and sisters to the unrelated children of your father's close friends or business associates, with whom you played growing up. It doesn't even necessarily demand a blood relationship.

Nothing in Scripture identifies anyone except Jesus as the son or daughter of Mary. Also, the "James" described as the "brother of Jesus" is elsewhere in Scripture specifically identified as the "son of Alphaeus" and probably also identified as the son of "Mary the wife of Clopas"*, who is not the same Mary as the mother of Jesus. He certainly wasn't the son of Joseph.

(*Clopas and Alphaeus may have been the same person; a Jewish/Greek name dualism like "Saul" and "Paul".)

The term "firstborn son" does not mean that someone had other children; the firstborn was special under the Law of Moses. The firstborn was the firstborn whether his mother had zero or 25 other children.

39 posted on 07/21/2004 8:03:43 AM PDT by Campion
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