Photos Released in Smart Case

Deseret News ^ | Feb. 16, 2003 | By Joe Bauman

[lakey]

Patty Hearst fired a machine gun inside a bank. President Carter pardoned her. I don't see where she got a rotten deal.

[Palladin]

Nonsense. I'm not unhappy with anyone on this thread. I thank all of you for persisting and keeping the case alive (even though we were relegated to the backroom).

Those who believe Elizabeth left voluntarily with the fruitcake scuzzball are entitled to their opinions.

Let's all be happy that she is alive and physically well.
Psychologically, the poor kid has a tough road ahead.

[lakey]

Peace. Thank you, friend.

Yes, Elizabeth does have a hard road ahead. But, as her mother has said many times, "Elizabeth, you are a strong girl."

[lakey]

Definitely, there is more to this story. Even my better half has started taking an interest in it. Says it is full of holes - that's an understatement if there every was one.

As for why SLCPD or the FBI didn't find her or release a little more helpful information, "Politics!" As long as they had Ricci, they played on that.

Which brings to mind, whatever happened to Dr. Henry Lee? :)

[lakey]

Thinking out loud, a dangerous thing to do here, I know, but LE may have not trusted Mary Katherine's explanations of June 5.

If she was covering for Elizabeth, she wouldn't have given pat answers to their questions.

Remembering all the times the Smart interviews directly addressed Elizabeth, or spoke to the perp, and the strangely hesitant way Ed gave conflicting answers at different times - and I'm trying to remember what they were, but can't right now - could it be that MK had told her parents early on who she believed had taken her sister?

Would revealing that Elizabeth had run away - that the Smart home was less than happy - have produced a sense of "shame" in Ed and Lois? One so strong that they would feel the need to hide that fact?

We know that Elizabeth had a habit of jogging. I think this has been discussed, that the perp made contact with her during one or more of the sessions. Was Mitchell watching her at other times? Is this how MK would have known him? Seems more likely than meeting him during a 5 hour roof job.

But it could be that she met him when he approached Lois for "spare change." I do think it is a question we are entitled to know the answer, right now, and not at a later date.

Anybody care to comment? Add your own thoughts?

Another thing, wasn't it Tom who first gave the big "NO" to a composite drawing? None of us understood that.

[varina davis]

All your points are well taken. On another thread, I theorized there may have been yet another man involved in luring or escorting her away that night, one whose identity is not yet known, but who might be connected in some way with Mitchell. Sounds far out, but so is everything else in this saga.

I do not think she was attracted to Mitchell, so who knows? Maybe after she left, the situation became unmanageable. Plus the fact that Mitchell doesn't seem to fit early descriptions, sketches, etc.

[CheneyChick]

I don't see where she got a rotten deal.

Maybe you should review the specifics of her (Patty Hearst) violent abduction and the awful treatment she received shortly thereafter (before the machine gun part). Fear causes people to behave strangely.

[lakey]

Thanks for your opinion.

[lakey]

A news ribbon last night caught my eye...Mitchell does not want to be represented by an attorney, wants to question witnesses himself!

[FR_addict]

I didn't remember her firing the gun, but it's been a long time.

I remember seeing someone that looked like a zombie when they found her. She was kept as a prisoner in a closet repeatedly raped and blindfolded for a very long time. But you make a good point if she fired a machine gun in a bank.

[lakey]

I owe you an apology for commiting plagarism. After I posted some points, I went back and read one of your posts that was nearly identical to what I had said.

There's so many threads on this, I'm forgetting where I've been - and why. :)

[lakey]

Checking my facts on Google (because it has been a long time ago), she "sprayed" a sporting goods store, wielding two machine guns, not in the bank.

Her zombie-like appearance may have been from seeing the house go up in flames and having participated in shooting at police.

One post is interesting in that Hearst made it clear that she wants "to leave the past alone." This is in reference to having to face Sara Jane Olson & Bill & Emily Harris as a witness.

Hearst declared to Talk Magazine in June 2000 when she was named as a key witness in another SLA case against Olson, "I'm at the end of my rope. I keep trying to forget these people and they keep dragging me back into it."

Hmmm....Couldn't she have just sent a message to the Smarts or called that Elizabeth needs an attorney now, to keep her mouth shut, rather than appear on television?

[FR_addict]

Checking my facts on Google (because it has been a long time ago), she "sprayed" a sporting goods store, wielding two machine guns, not in the bank.

You made your point.
I didn't remember the case as well as I thought. At the time, I remember feeling very sorry for her and was probably more influenced by the media than I realized (I was young). They were turning her into a brainwashed victim. She was a victim, but unless she was driven mentally incapacitated, she had free will to chose right from wrong.

[aruanan]

The photo on the left looks marginally less creepy than the one on the right.

[aruanan]

.let's just say He traveled a lot after the age of twelve; did not spend much time at home.

The available evidence is that he began his traveling around Palestine at about the age of 30. He was also well known in his home town, something that wouldn't be true of someone who had been away from home for the last 18 of his 30 years.The stories about him traveling to India, etc., are Edgar Cayce-ish nonsense.

[CheneyChick]

Thanks for your opinion.

No need for sarcasm. I see you did go back to review some facts in Google. Did you recall/discover that she was kidnapped at the age of 19 from her apartment, beat up, stuffed in a trunk, interrogated, held in a closet for over 50 days, suffered sensory deprivation, etc., etc. - all causing her to go into survival mode?

I'm not sure why, in light of these facts, you don't see how she got a rotten deal. She never did fire the machine gun in the bank - she was put on trial for grand theft and then convicted - serving 2 years out of the seven year term. Then, she was pardoned by Jimmy Carter.

Maybe your idea of a rotten deal is different than mine....

[lakey]

I try to be as succinct as possible. You are entitled to your opinion. Mine is different from yours, yes.