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If Today's Peace Activist Mind-set was present in the 1930s...(political cartoon)

Posted on 02/19/2003 6:12:06 PM PST by yonif



TOPICS: Editorial; Israel; Miscellaneous; Political Humor/Cartoons; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 1930s; peaceniks; screwtheleft

1 posted on 02/19/2003 6:12:06 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif
Ain't that the damned truth!?!?
2 posted on 02/19/2003 6:13:44 PM PST by Howie66 (Lead, follow or git the hell out of the way!)
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To: yonif
Yep.
3 posted on 02/19/2003 6:14:45 PM PST by b4its2late (FORGIVE and FORGET (but keep a list of names.....))
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To: yonif
Bump!
4 posted on 02/19/2003 6:20:54 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Truth with just a pinch of sarcasm, puts a smile on your face as it makes you free.)
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To: yonif
What does he mean "if"? Back in the 1930s Churchill was vilified the way Blair and Bush are today. It was only after the fall of France that Chamberlain's ("peace in our time") appeasement policies were refuted, and Chamberlain stepped down as Prime Minister.
5 posted on 02/19/2003 6:26:44 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: yonif
If you have read any European or American history in the late 1930s, you would realize this cartoon is not far off the mark of the actual attitudes of most Americans, Englishmen and Frenchmen. Here, "America First" rallies were huge and Charles Lindbergh admired Hitler and Mussolini, in England the Oxford debating society resolved NOT to fight for King and Country, Churchill was reviled, and the French played with anti-semitism and fascism in the Action Francaise.
6 posted on 02/19/2003 6:53:56 PM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Mesopotamiam Esse Delendam)
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To: yonif
nobody said peace protesters were smart. check out this dolts sign


7 posted on 02/19/2003 6:55:33 PM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: yonif
If Today's Peace Activist Mind-set was present in the 1930s...(political cartoon)

Actually it was. The Reds (Communists and proud of it) and the Browns (German American Bundt and America First) were all for staying out of Churchill's war, until the Germans attacked the Russians, then the Reds wanted us in, RIGHT NOW!. The AF up by nightfall of 7 December 1941 and The GAB followed when Hilter declared war on the US. The Reds kept agitating for a "Second Front now" never mind that we were nowhere near ready, and even after the North Africa and Italian campaigns they were still agitating on behalf of Uncle Joe for that "Second Front", never mind that Uncle Joe wasn't about to give us a "second front" in the Pacific.

8 posted on 02/19/2003 7:00:10 PM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato
And terrorists have already committed the acts of war, declaring their clear intentions towards US. Sponsor states like Iraq and Saddam Insane are the support bae for the ongoing terrorism on a grand scale. If we do not crush the sponsors now, we will suffer the consequences here in the USA later, just as Briton and France and all of Europe and the world suffered the consequences in their time. [Move the UN to Frogland or Schnitzelville. It more befits the appeasenik attitudes. There very presence of those appeaseniks sitting in New York within the smelling range of the 9/11 carnage is repugnant. We will fight the war against worldwide terrorism with them or without them. We fight to preserve OUR Republic, our way of life and freedoms. Pre-emptive strikes?... Damn right! That is all that can cut the legs from under the fiends who will receive weapons of mass slaughter from the sponsor states! ... Got that 'bad boys? Our courageous warriors coming for YOU.]
9 posted on 02/19/2003 7:11:19 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: CatoRenasci
Don't forget Ambassador Joe Kennedy's love for Hitler...
10 posted on 02/19/2003 8:32:16 PM PST by lorrainer (EVERYBODY thinks I'm paranoid!!)
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To: freedomworks; TheRedSoxWinThePennant
He BELONGS on the Red Bus to Baghdad!

I'd say he belongs on the SHORT bus to Baghdad.

12 posted on 02/19/2003 9:39:46 PM PST by uglybiker
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To: yonif
Those that fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.
Cartoons from 1916 and 1940:


13 posted on 02/19/2003 9:54:31 PM PST by In Defense of Freedom
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To: CatoRenasci
Joe Kennedy was a Hitler supporter, looks like supporting Dictators runs in the family.

Arriving at London in early 1938, newly-appointed U.S. Ambassador Joseph P. Kennedy took up quickly with another transplanted American. Viscountess Nancy Witcher Langhorne Astor assured Kennedy early in their friendship that he should not be put off by her pronounced and proud anti-Catholicism.

"I'm glad you are smart enough not to take my [views] personally," she wrote. Astor pointed out that she had a number of Roman Catholic friends - G.K. Chesterton among them - with whom she shared, if nothing else, a profound hatred for the Jewish race. Joe Kennedy, in turn, had always detested Jews generally, although he claimed several as friends individually. Indeed, Kennedy seems to have tolerated the occasional Jew in the same way Astor tolerated the occasional Catholic.

As fiercely anti-Communist as they were anti-Semitic, Kennedy and Astor looked upon Adolf Hitler as a welcome solution to both of these "world problems" (Nancy's phrase). No member of the so-called "Cliveden Set" (the informal cabal of appeasers who met frequently at Nancy Astor's palatial home) seemed much concerned with the dilemma faced by Jews under the Reich. Astor wrote Kennedy that Hitler would have to do more than just "give a rough time" to "the killers of Christ" before she'd be in favor of launching "Armageddon to save them. The wheel of history swings round as the Lord would have it. Who are we to stand in the way of the future?" Kennedy replied that he expected the "Jew media" in the United States to become a problem, that "Jewish pundits in New York and Los Angeles" were already making noises contrived to "set a match to the fuse of the world."

During May of 1938, Kennedy engaged in extensive discussions with the new German Ambassador to the Court of St. James's, Herbert von Dirksen. In the midst of these conversations (held without approval from the U.S. State Department), Kennedy advised von Dirksen that President Roosevelt was the victim of "Jewish influence" and was poorly informed as to the philosophy, ambitions and ideals of Hitler's regime. (The Nazi ambassador subsequently told his bosses that Kennedy was "Germany's best friend" in London.)

Columnists back in the states condemned Kennedy's fraternizing. Kennedy later claimed that 75% of the attacks made on him during his Ambassadorship emanated from "a number of Jewish publishers and writers. ... Some of them in their zeal did not hesitate to resort to slander and falsehood to achieve their aims." He told his eldest son, Joe Jr., that he disliked having to put up with "Jewish columnists" who criticized him with no good reason.

Like his father, Joe Jr. admired Adolf Hitler. Young Joe had come away impressed by Nazi rhetoric after traveling in Germany as a student in 1934. Writing at the time, Joe applauded Hitler's insight in realizing the German people's "need of a common enemy, someone of whom to make the goat. Someone, by whose riddance the Germans would feel they had cast out the cause of their predicament. It was excellent psychology, and it was too bad that it had to be done to the Jews. The dislike of the Jews, however, was well-founded. They were at the heads of all big business, in law etc. It is all to their credit for them to get so far, but their methods had been quite unscrupulous ... the lawyers and prominent judges were Jews, and if you had a case against a Jew, you were nearly always sure to lose it. ... As far as the brutality is concerned, it must have been necessary to use some ... ."

Brutality was in the eye of the beholder. Writing to Charles Lindbergh shortly after Kristallnacht in November of 1938, Joe Kennedy Sr. seemed more concerned about the political ramifications stemming from high-profile, riotous anti-Semitism than he was about the actual violence done to the Jews. "... Isn't there some way," he asked, "to persuade [the Nazis] it is on a situation like this that the whole program of saving western civilization might hinge? It is more and more difficult for those seeking peaceful solutions to advocate any plan when the papers are filled with such horror." Clearly, Kennedy's chief concern about Kristallnacht was that it might serve to harden anti-fascist sentiment at home in the United States.

Like his friend Charles Coughlin (an anti-Semitic broadcaster and Roman Catholic priest), Kennedy always remained convinced of what he believed to be the Jews' corrupt, malignant, and profound influence in American culture and politics. "The Democratic [party] policy of the United States is a Jewish production," Kennedy told a British reporter near the end of 1939, adding confidently that Roosevelt would "fall" in 1940.

But it wasn't Roosevelt who fell. Kennedy resigned his ambassadorship just weeks after FDR's overwhelming triumph at the polls. He then retreated to his home in Florida: a bitter, resentful man nurturing religious and racial bigotries that put him out-of-step with his country, and out-of-touch with history.

14 posted on 02/20/2003 8:00:21 AM PST by SAMWolf (To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul)
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