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New Gun Bill in Congress: More Unconstitutional Claptrap
The federal Observer ^ | 30 January 2003 | Dewy Kidd

Posted on 01/30/2003 12:26:03 PM PST by 45Auto

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To: Roscoe
You mean marijuana? Sure.

How? Article I section 8's "Interstate commerce" explicitly refers to commerce among the several states, with Indian tribes, or with foreign countries. If it also applies to commerce that occurs entirely within a state, why would the Founders not have simply left out all of the descriptions of where such commerce may be regulated?

81 posted on 01/31/2003 8:44:56 PM PST by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: sneakypete
Unlike your idol,I don't lie.

You missed an easy chance to prove it.

He might not let you live up his ass anymore.

I'm not going to hit the abuse button on that one so everyone can see what a pervert you are.

82 posted on 01/31/2003 9:06:00 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
Bump
83 posted on 01/31/2003 9:07:14 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
You missed an easy chance to prove it.

I don't have to prove anything to you. I've proved my honesty over and over the whole 4+ years I have been here,and have no intention of spending the time to find the quotes neccessary to correct your ignorance.

I'm not going to hit the abuse button on that one so everyone can see what a pervert you are.

How's the view? Is it everything you dreamed about?

84 posted on 01/31/2003 10:55:30 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: supercat
Article I section 8's "Interstate commerce" explicitly refers to commerce among the several states, with Indian tribes, or with foreign countries.

Appellant John Wacker argues that the section of the Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 under which he was convicted, 21 U.S.C. 841(a)(1) (the "Drug Act"), impermissibly regulates intrastate activities which do not substantially affect interstate commerce, in violation of the Tenth Amendment. Although he does not cite United States v. Lopez, 115 S. Ct. 1624 (1995), we assume that he asks us, in light of that recent decision, to reconsider our holding in United States v. King, 485 F.2d 353, 356 (10th Cir. 1973), that 21 U.S.C. 841(a)(1) is constitutional.

This argument was recently rejected by the Fourth Circuit, see United States v. Leshuk, 65 F.3d 1105, 1111-12 (4th Cir. 1995), and we agree that it is without merit.

United States v. Wacker

Moreover, contrary to Leshuk's alternative contention, the Drug Act is not unconstitutional as applied if his possession and cultivation were for personal use and did not substantially affect interstate commerce. Although a conviction under the Drug Act does not require the government to show that the specific conduct at issue substantially affected interstate commerce, see Scales, 464 F.2d at 373, Lopez expressly reaffirmed the principle that "where a general regulatory statute bears a substantial relation to commerce, the de minimis character of individual instances arising under that statute is of no consequence." Lopez, 115 S. Ct. at 1629 (quoting Maryland v. Wirtz, 392 U.S. 183, 197 n.27 (1968)); see also United States v. Stillo, 57 F.3d 553, 558 n.2 (7th Cir. 1995); Scales, 464 F.2d at 374- 76. We thus reject Leshuk's Commerce Clause challenge to the constitutionality of the Drug Act.

United States v. Leshuk

It is therefore not surprising that every court that has considered the question, both before and after the Supreme Court's decision in Lopez, has concluded that section 841(a)(1) represents a valid exercise of the commerce power. See, e.g., United States v. Edwards, ___ F.3d ___, ___, 1996 WL 621913, at *5 (D.C. Cir. Oct. 29, 1996); United States v. Kim, 94 F.3d 1247, 1249-50 (9th Cir. 1996); United States v. Bell, 90 F.3d 318, 321 (8th Cir. 1996); United States v. Lerebours, 87 F.3d 582, 584-85 (1st Cir. 1996); United States v. Wacker, 72 F.3d 1453, 1475 (10th Cir. 1995), cert. denied, 117 S. Ct. 136 (1996); United States v. Leshuk, 65 F.3d 1105, 1111-12 (4th Cir. 1995); United States v. Scales, 464 F.2d 371, 375 (6th Cir. 1972); Lopez, 459 F.2d at 953.

Proyect v. United States
85 posted on 01/31/2003 11:52:35 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Sorry I can't help it if the Men in Black Robes cannot or will not read what the Constitution actually says. It was written to be a document readable by any reasonably-educated person; although all such legal documents are bound to have tricky "borderline cases", that should in no way discourage reading the Constitution for direct and simple meaning when such meaning is clear.

Unfortunately, Prohibition II has been going on long enough that people are loath to do anything about it, and it's easier for the Court to allow the trampling of the Constitution to continue than for it to intervene.

86 posted on 02/01/2003 10:34:17 AM PST by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: supercat

This title may be cited as the 'Controlled Substances Act'.

§ 801. Congressional findings and declarations: controlled substances.

The Congress makes the following findings and declarations:


87 posted on 02/01/2003 10:40:57 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
That's very sad if that's the beest you can do after all of this on this thread.

No "pro quo" no quid.

I don't see how you can expect anyone to read anything you ever post again.

88 posted on 02/01/2003 6:37:44 PM PST by Eagle Eye
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To: Eagle Eye; Roscoe
Anything that a court has ruled to be constitutional must be, after all, it's impossible for our god-like justices to have a political agenda.

Roscoe: Super-defender of the Brady bill, NFA, and the Kalifornia assault weapons ban. I guess gun control is as American as pecan pie.

89 posted on 02/01/2003 8:13:35 PM PST by Gianni
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To: Gianni
Anything that a court has ruled to be constitutional must be

Really?

90 posted on 02/01/2003 8:41:13 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Really?

Maybe that's just the conclusion I drew because you cut and paste without supporting text.

91 posted on 02/02/2003 4:22:31 AM PST by Gianni
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To: supercat
And he was out of cut-and-paste mode for so long... Why'd ya do it?
92 posted on 02/02/2003 4:23:36 AM PST by Gianni
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To: Gianni
cut and paste without supporting text

Ah, the wonders of doublethink.

94 posted on 02/02/2003 11:54:50 AM PST by Roscoe
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