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We (Britain) must choose between Europe and America
The Independent (U.K.) ^ | 01/22/03 | Nick Clegg

Posted on 01/21/2003 1:29:56 PM PST by Pokey78

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To: Pokey78
5 days after the war they'll be kiss his ass to get his attention...Go Tony Go.....
21 posted on 01/21/2003 2:46:28 PM PST by The Wizard (Demonrats are enemies of America)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Britain is in the unique position of having Canada, Austrailia, and the USA as her progeny so to speak. I think that may help create a less parochial world view for the British.
22 posted on 01/21/2003 2:50:13 PM PST by foreshadowed at waco
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Great Idea! Will do!
23 posted on 01/21/2003 2:51:51 PM PST by jpsb
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To: MadIvan; Happygal
Bump
24 posted on 01/21/2003 2:55:26 PM PST by Incorrigible
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To: foreshadowed at waco
The British have ruled an empire dedicated to maintaining world-wide free trade. They understand the nature of the business far better than do the continentals.
25 posted on 01/21/2003 3:12:38 PM PST by jdege
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To: denydenydeny
I think "Resurgent" means that Germany and France can bully belguim and denmark into following their dictates.

How is the EU any different from the monstrosity Napoleon was trying to create? It is not democratic nor freedom-loving.
26 posted on 01/21/2003 3:18:45 PM PST by WOSG
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To: Pokey78
Sounds like they're drawing up battlelines. Are you with us (Europe) or are you with those evil imperalistic dogs the Americans?!

I think the Brits outta stay with us, and let the EU crash and burn. And if they happen to become something, oh well, the Brits and Americans have already conqured Europe once, I'm sure we can do it again.
27 posted on 01/21/2003 3:21:41 PM PST by walkingdead (easy, you just don't lead them as much....)
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To: walkingdead; Dead Dog
ping
28 posted on 01/21/2003 3:25:03 PM PST by walkingdead (easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: Pokey78
ya know, with regards to our buddies - those frogs . . .

Can we start a national referendum to dismantle the Statue of Liberty and smelt it into some nice copper toilet and piss handles, to be used on our US Navy Ships? We could also make some nice copper coins for the liberated country of Iraq (after the war is over next week).

29 posted on 01/21/2003 3:29:53 PM PST by PokeyJoe (all your pork ribs belong to us)
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To: walkingdead
I get it. If the Brits were as smart as they think, they would become the 51st state. I would like that.
30 posted on 01/21/2003 3:32:08 PM PST by Dead Dog (Socialism: Theft justified by lies, enforced by murder)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Good idea!
31 posted on 01/21/2003 3:33:04 PM PST by Textide
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To: Pokey78
I hear from the media that almost all of Britian's citizens are unarmed, anti-war on Iraq, socialists, and generally soft on everything. It's my opinion that the media talked them into this over the last 25 years or so. Ditto in Canada.
God Bless Tony Blair and Fox News. I pray that US Citizens will not sell their rights and their souls to media misinformation.
32 posted on 01/21/2003 3:37:31 PM PST by MannMade
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To: jdege
Given a "Europe" devoted to individual rights, free trade, and democracy, there'd be no need for such a choice.

I agree with you... there have been enough populist revolts against the elitist EU to cause the elitists to sit up and take notice... but they done a good job of propagandizing the lie.

If Europe was built on the U.S. original model of limited Federal govt, EU would work. But it is being built more on a bureaucratic USSR-style model. cenral rules layered on top of national regulation. The loss of freedom is great.

One of the reasons that Europe was the center of civilization from 1200-1950 was that it was one Christian culture without a central government. Thus different ideas from the reformation on could bubble up; technology and science advanced thanks to freedoms unthinkable in, say, China of the Ming dynasty. As a consequence, Europe was far stronger than Ming Chinese by 1800. And Europe did it not despite but BECAUSE THEY LACKED A CENTRAL GOVERNMENT.

But during that time dictators have wanted total domination of Europe. The powers-that-be have finally succeeded with EU. And when they do, it will seal the doom of Europe's place in the world and EU will be a backwater.

It is freedom that makes the civilization strong, not a strong government. Strong centralized governments lead to weak civilizations. Britain can save themselves only by getting out of EU and staying out.

33 posted on 01/21/2003 3:38:49 PM PST by WOSG
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To: Pokey78
"We (Britain) must choose between Europe and America."

Walp, yaz betta chooze fazt!

The Islamification of Britian

The same plan Islam has for America is the very one and the same they have for the Brits - - -

Twenty-Year Plan for USA: Islam Targets America

The following is Dr. Shorrosh's analysis of Islamic invasion of America, the agenda of Islamists and visible methods to take over America by the year 2020! Will Americans continue to sleep through this invasion as they did when we were attacked on 9/11?

1. Terminate America's freedom of speech by replacing it with hate crime bills state-wide and nation-wide.

2. Wage a war of words using black leaders like Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Jesse Jackson and other visible religious personalities to promote Islam as the original African-American's religion while Christianity is for the whites! Strange enough, no one tells the African-Americans that it was the Arab Muslims who captured them and sold them as slaves, neither the fact that in Arabic the word for black and slave is the same, "Abed."

3. Engage the American public in dialogues, discussions, debates in colleges, universities, public libraries, radio, TV, churches and mosques on the virtues of Islam. Proclaim how it is historically another religion like Judaism and Christianity with the same monotheistic faith.

4. Nominate Muslim sympathizers to political office for favorable legislation to Islam and support potential sympathizers by block voting.

5. Take control of as much of Hollywood, the press, TV, radio and the internet by buying the corporations or a controlling stock.

6. Yield to the fear of imminent shut-off of the lifeblood of America - the black gold. America's economy depends on oil,1000 products are derived from oil), so does its personal and industrial transportation and manufacturing -41% comes from the Middle East.

7. Yell, "foul, out-of-context, personal interpretation, hate crime, Zionist, un-American, inaccurate interpretation of the Quran" time Islam is criticized or the Quran is analyzed in the public arena.

8. Encourage Muslims to penetrate the White House, specifically with Islamists who can articulate a marvelous and peaceful picture of Islam. Acquire government positions, get membership in local school boards. Train Muslims as medical doctors to dominate the medical field, research and pharmaceutical companies. Take over the computer industry. Establish Middle Eastern restaurants throughout the U.S. to connect planners of Islamization in a discreet way.

Ever notice how numerous Muslim doctors in America are, when their countries need them more desperately than America?

9. Accelerate Islamic demographic growth via:

a. Massive immigration (100,000 annually since 1961)

b. No birth control whatsoever - every baby of Muslim parents is automatically a Muslim and cannot choose another religion later.

c. Muslim men must marry American women and Islamize them (10,000 annually). Then divorce them and remarry every five years - since one cannot have the Muslim legal permission to marry four at one time. This is a legal solution in America.

d. Convert angry, alienated black inmates and turn them into militants (so far 2000 released inmates have joined Al Qaida world-wide). Only a few have been captured in Afghanistan and on American soil. So far - sleeping cells!

10. Reading, writing, arithmetic and research through the American educational system, mosques and student centers (now 1500) should be sprinkled with dislike of Jews, evangelical Christians and democracy. There are 300 exclusively Muslim schools with loyalty to the Quran, not the U.S. Constitution.

11. Provide very sizeable monetary Muslim grants to colleges and universities in America to establish "Centers for Islamic studies" with Muslim directors to promote Islam in higher education institutions.

12. Let the entire world know through propaganda, speeches, seminars, local and national media that terrorists have hijacked Islam, not the truth, which is Islam hijacked the terrorists. Furthermore in January of 2002, Saudi Arabia's Embassy in Washington mailed 4500 packets of the Quran, videos, promoting Islam to America's high schools--free. They would never allow us to reciprocate.

13. Appeal to the historically compassionate and sensitive Americans for sympathy and tolerance towards the Muslims in America who are portrayed as mainly immigrants from oppressed countries.

14. Nullify America's sense of security by manipulating the intelligence community with misinformation. Periodically terrorize Americans of impending attacks on bridges, tunnels, water supplies, airports, apartment buildings and malls. (We have experienced this too often since 9-11.) 15. Form riots and demonstrations in the prison system demanding Islamic Sharia as the way of life, not American's justice system.

16. Open numerous charities throughout the U.S. but use the funds to support Islamic terrorism with American dollars.

17. Raise interest in Islam on America's campuses by insisting that freshman take at least one course on Islam. Be sure that the writer is a bonafide American, Christian, scholarly and able to cover up the violence in the Quran and express the peaceful, spiritual and religious aspect only.

18. Unify the numerous Muslim lobbies in Washington, mosques, Islamic student centers, educational organizations, magazines and papers by internet and an annual convention to coordinate plans, propagate the faith and engender news in the media of their visibility.

19. Send intimidating messages and messengers to the outspoken individuals who are critical of Islam and seek to eliminate them by hook or crook.

20. Applaud Muslims as loyal citizens of the US by spotlighting their voting record as the highest percentage of all minority and ethic groups in America.

34 posted on 01/21/2003 3:44:48 PM PST by Happy2BMe (If every FR member gave a buck a month, we wouldn't need fundraisers.)
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To: Dead Dog
nice tag line.
35 posted on 01/21/2003 3:50:05 PM PST by walkingdead (easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: walkingdead
Thanks for the heads up man. This is more fun than Sheryl Crow in a wet "War is not the Answer" T-Shirt.
36 posted on 01/21/2003 3:53:12 PM PST by Dead Dog (Socialism: Theft justified by lies, enforced by murder)
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To: Pokey78
Europe is almost totally dependent on the U.S. for its own security. Giving us a little back is not asking too much.
37 posted on 01/21/2003 4:01:55 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Pokey78
Britain should keep the pound , keep the inch, keep America, keep Australia, New Zealand and Canada. To hell with the sniveling cowards of the EU! A nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there.
38 posted on 01/21/2003 4:16:27 PM PST by dennisw (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: Dead Dog
Actually, we probably would suggest that they become five states, based on population and natural groupings:

Southern England, Midlands, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland.

39 posted on 01/21/2003 4:29:22 PM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: Pokey78
And when has Europe EVER defended the UK???

During WWII the UK stood alone against the Nazis, there only supporting friend being America. It was with American help the UK survived no thanks to the Europeans.
40 posted on 01/21/2003 4:46:42 PM PST by DB (©)
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